Gary Heseltine - A retired police detective speaks out on UFO's

www.prufospolicedatabase.co.uk...

My name is Gary Heseltine and I am a retired Detective Constable. I served in the British Transport police between 1989-2013. Collar number 1877. In January 2002 I launched the database. The database caters for serving and retired officers who have been involved in British UFO police sightings. When I began the database I had a half dozen police reports involving approximately 10 police officers. Now after 13 years of research I have collected over 500 reports dating back to 1901 involving over 1000 police officers.The database is divided into two separate categories - on and off duty police sightings.The sighting reports derive from a number of sources, from officers themselves who contact me directly, to historical newspaper archive reports and to official information reports released by the Ministry of Defence.

THE ROAD TO THE DATABASE

It was on a warm summer evening in 1975 that an event took place in my life that was to fundamentally alter it in ways that I could never have imagined. I was to experience something that would change my perception of the universe and man's place within it. In simple terms I had a UFO encounter that sowed the seeds in an ever widening ripple effect that would eventually pull me into the field of ufology to the extent that it has become the pervading theme of my life.

(Here are some examples from his database)

The current figures on the database are: 425 cases taking place between 1901-2012 involving over 940 British police officers.

1901: 21/12/1901. 0045 hours. Location: Haworth, West Yorkshire. As two uniformed police officers, PS JOHN JOHNSON and PC CLARK were walking along a snow covered beat in Haworth when suddenly a green light illuminated the surrounding area. The officers looked up to the sky to see a luminous UFO shaped like a cigar pointed at both ends. The object emitted occasional flashes and sparks. They watched the object for 15 minutes as it slowly and silently moved across the night sky before disappearing into the distance. PS JOHNSON stated that the object was seen at an altitude of 100-150 feet before gradually gaining height. Two members of the public reported seeing similar objects in Keighley and Shipley respectively. UFO CLASSIFICATION – CE1 (CLOSE ENCOUNTER 1ST KIND). On duty sighting. 2 Officers. Source – Mr Midgley via Keighley News 02/12/94.

1954: February. 0600 hours. Location – Bognor Regis, Sussex. PC WILLIAM KEATS was cycling to work for the 6 am shift when he saw the road ahead suddenly illuminated from behind him. He stopped and turned to see an intense white light travelling from west to east. Upon reaching the police station wo other officers from Chichester, PC HOWARD NORTH and PC TONY COX confirmed they too had seen what they described as a ‘tadpole’ shaped UFO. UFO CLASSIFICATION – NL (NOCTURNAL LIGHT). On duty sighting. 3 officers. Source: Daily Mail 11/02/1954.

2008: 31/12/2008. Brightlingsea, Essex. A uniformed police officer observed a bright orange/yellow light at an unspecified time in the sky at an altitude of 2000 feet which moved very slowly in a half circle then stopped over the water between Brightlingsea and East Mersea before shooting vertically into the air and out of sight at great speed. On duty sighting. 1 officer. Source – MOD Files. UFO Classification – Nocturnal Light (NL).

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It always makes me wonder by people place so much more faith in a UFO statement provided by a Police officer over and above a civilian.

At the end of the day, the uniform comes off and we are all the same . As for the claims that they are trained expert witnesses etc ,well that's not quite true.
Experienced perhaps, trained at a push but very very few are what could be called experts.

Kudos though to the D.C for all his work in collating this info.

a reply to: andre18

Po-leese deal with all manner of crazies. That would also inherently mean "UFO" nutters. Other attention seekers (lonely people that need a massage even if of the bizarre authority person cringing varieties) include elderly, mentally ill, misfits, hobos, you name it. I know a firefighter-paramedic, he'll tell you all about how hobos will feign a heart attack to get the firefighters to show up and give them all this 'fancy pance' attention scenario rolling out for them (and how they cant get any sleep in between real calls during their 24 hour grinder shifts they do).

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: andre18

Po-leese deal with all manner of crazies. That would also inherently mean "UFO" nutters. Other attention seekers (lonely people that need a massage even if of the bizarre authority person cringing varieties) include elderly, mentally ill, misfits, hobos, you name it. I know a firefighter-paramedic, he'll tell you all about how hobos will feign a heart attack to get the firefighters to show up and give them all this 'fancy pance' attention scenario rolling out for them (and how they cant get any sleep in between real calls during their 24 hour grinder shifts they do).

Calling someone crazy is a blatant dismissal that doesn't create anything positive but in effect only furthers ridicule. Your post is both unhelpful and purely negative. Po-leese strive to make more positively impactful posts in your future. thanks

originally posted by: studio500
It always makes me wonder by people place so much more faith in a UFO statement provided by a Police officer over and above a civilian.

At the end of the day, the uniform comes off and we are all the same . As for the claims that they are trained expert witnesses etc ,well that's not quite true.
Experienced perhaps, trained at a push but very very few are what could be called experts.

That reminds me of the two police officers who followed a UFO in their car for miles that turned out to ne the planet Venus.

I'm mentioning this NOT to call police officers foolish, but rather because it can happen to anybody. The cops were in a moving car, and Venus was low-ish in the sky so it was dancing in and out from behind tree branches as the car moved, which probably made it seem as if the bright orb of Venus was moving past the trees.

And other people whom you think would not be fooled by Venus have been fooled by Venus. Trained pilots have also mistaken Venus for an unknown craft.

a reply to: studio500

The phrase of "trained observer" usually just indicates that part of their job requires paying acute attention to specific details that can determine multiple factors about any incident that they observe.

Time, intent, purpose, who is involved, what is happening, what is the object, etc...

In general these are the types of details important to ufology, but the same details as a general outline, could be applied to armed robbery, arson, assault, muggings, murders, etc...

So police reports will at the bare minimum contain details that groups like MUFON absolutely beg for.
Time, angle and heading of direction, size, color, shape, general description of object, speed, estimated altitudes, current weather conditions, additional witnesses, evidence, etc...

Police officers will absolutely be concerned with these details, and make note of them for any report they are involved in.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

While that case was misidentification, there are definitely police UFO reports that still lack adequate explanation.

I don't recall the name right now, but surely you've heard of the officer that saw the two beings get into a white spherical craft that was landed, and then taking off with the sound of a roaring rocket.

Man ATS is filled with contrarians lately.

I love this stuff!

More than most occupations, police officers are rolling on the streets all night and I would bet they have a high percentage off odd sightings. It’s awesome he had the idea to begin to collect these into a database.

I think it has more to do with the nature of the business/late nights than claiming some kind of professional stance.

Can’t wait to dig in

originally posted by: Archivalist
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

While that case was misidentification, there are definitely police UFO reports that still lack adequate explanation.

I don't recall the name right now, but surely you've heard of the officer that saw the two beings get into a white spherical craft that was landed, and then taking off with the sound of a roaring rocket.

That one was swamp gas.

Heseltine is involved with discredited Rendlesham 'cuckoo' witness Larry Warren in a low budget film venture.

Even Larry Warren's co-author, Peter Robbins, has agreed that their book about the case, "Left at East Gate" should be withdrawn from sale due to it's factual inaccuracies. Warren's fake photos and documents and threats on social media to people who dared point these things out have left him isolated from all but a small crowd who can't see through his lies and manipulation.

This of course does not discredit any of the sightings reported by police officers down the years in the UK. However it would take a whole book to explain why Heseltine's judgement and ethics are questionable over the choice to work with Warren. Seeing is deceiving in that particular case.

a reply to: andre18

But peeple are crazies. We've got issues yo!

I think he had a few stories in Graham Birdsall's UFO magazine a fair few years back and had some good cases when he started his data base, but like the previous poster Mirageman pointed out, it got a bit wild and crazy for a while.
I think anyone can be fooled by misidentification be it civilian or old bill, but at least the police can write down and record with accuracy there misidentification!!

originally posted by: Archivalist
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

While that case was misidentification, there are definitely police UFO reports that still lack adequate explanation.

I don't recall the name right now, but surely you've heard of the officer that saw the two beings get into a white spherical craft that was landed, and then taking off with the sound of a roaring rocket.

That police officer was highly credible and respected, but if you read what the officer said (did you?), he said it looked like a balloon, and I posted a picture of what some people think he probably saw (either this or something very similar. It does look like a balloon, just as the officer said, and the 4 black fins could be what he called the "landing struts" if they were touching the ground when he saw it):

THE PHOTO AND ZAMORA’S TESTIMONY- A MATCH

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As for UFO databases, I see little value in them because it seems to me like each case is so unique that it needs to be evaluated on its own merits. The only thing they might be useful for is trying to correlate patterns like are more UFOs seen near military airports, etc, which doesn't really help much either except to suggest they could be some kind of misidentifications of military aircraft.

Gary has done an excellent job with the prufos database and there are some very good ufo sightings in there, some by multiple officers.
Unfortunately he is getting grief from some members of the ufo community because of his involvement with larry warren ( rightly or wrongly but personally, I don't want to get involved in all the nastiness and back stabbing that is RFI at the moment) but he still has my support and I'm looking forward to the prufos book that he is putting together.

a reply to: andre18

Sounds to me like he is trying to cash in and become the next "Pope"

When all people hit the over 50 age you see stuff and realize society is full of BS controlling ideas. Society needs to be stable so we can all live in peace, but trust yourself and use your own brains. I would trust anyone with a college degree seeing a UFO.