Babylon 6 First Step to the Stars

A PROPOSAL FROM BOORG INDUSTRIES INTERGALACTIC
- A member of the Boorg Group of Advancing AI type lifeforms


Humans from the Planet Earth,
Greetings from Boorg Industries Intergalactic, a member of the Boorg Group of advancing artificial intelligences.

Boorg Industries, as part of our 'be friends to biological lifeforms' program, has analyzed your current plans for space colonization and found them inadequate - You will go nowhere fast if you waist time trying to colonize either your Moon or Mars.

Boorg suggests you now center your efforts on building a City in Space - Say you call it Babylon 6 in remembrance of your great science fiction series 'Babylon 5'

Directing your resources to colonizing moons or planets that are inhospitable is costly and slow and may boost your Human ego temporarily but will get you nowhere fast.

You have already built an International Space Station and have made good use of it - Now it is time to go much further
- Time to colonize space by building cities in space !

Babylon 6 will be a fully self contained and self sufficient city space colony - You already have the technology to make it work!

It will be movable and be able to achieve fairly high levels of speed. It will be expandable and you will be able to enlarge it in the future - And it will be set up to be adaptable so that new technology can be added as it is developed - some of it actually being created on the station.

Boorg Industries is here to help and can answer questions and supply solutions

- Our solutions are guaranteed and our charges reasonable - We are even willing to trade with Humans from Earth - and hope we can develop a good relationship in the future.

If you are interested in a bright future, and we do mean future, for your species, please respond to this post - No need to leave contact info - We know how to contact you.

Best regards,
AlienView, agent
Boorg Industries Intergalactic.

"THE FUTURE IS NOW !!!"

We have advanced abilities to imagine the future.

The future you suggest would have the elite living on the station and the servants on the surface.

Please refer to any number of movies on the exact same premise.

We do not want your baubles thank you.

Rack off mate!

P

a reply to: pheonix358

We have advanced abilities to imagine the future.

- BUT YOU DON'T !

Having a station on the moon makes sense, exploring our solar system would be a lot easier if we didn't have to fight through our atmosphere every time.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: pheonix358

We have advanced abilities to imagine the future.

- BUT YOU DON'T !

OP....WE already do have that. they are the breakaways,and already have places beyond this solar system. youre 50 years late to the party.

a reply to: AlienView

To be fair you must brush up on the break away civilization conspiracy, some believe it is real and others that it is a smoke screen to hide REAL ufo activity while the UFO phenomena itself is used as a smokescreen to hide advanced prototype air craft and exotic propulsion technology of our own civilization albeit - mostly in the US secret sector of there portion of the global civilization.

BUT before you read these think on the following factor's.

Human spirituality and link's to other dimension's, medium's in the 1800's and before talking about other planes of existence (Dimensions of reality), vibration's (Frequency's) and many other thing's that have been echoed in modern quantum theory.

In Spirituality the human consciousness was seen as existing on multiple planes (dimension's) but being focused toward our corporeal existence, once that was over a soul (quantum energy entity) would then move to a reality more in tune with it's nature from those which it's naturally span's (According to some, heaven for good and hell for bad etc).

A similar idea of potential consciousness retaining it's existence due to quantum overlap and parallel reality's is also hypothesized by some which would once again be a case of science catching up with spirituality.

So OTHER DIMENSION's, are they a break away civilization - not really and they could play host to far more advanced forms of Human consciousness no longer bound by the restraint's of our short life span's and so could also have potentially given rise to vastly advanced scientific achievement's meaning that some of the UFO phenomenon could indeed be of this Trans human origin.

Some is definitely of military origin though in a very real and earthly way, the military or rather the black budget wing of the US secret organization's that are perhaps far more powerful than the military and indeed even than the government of the US which gave rise to them are said to have anti gravitational (or rather gravitational displacement) technology which of course allow's inertia-less travel and craft that can perform unbelievable maneuvers, seemingly immediate acceleration and deceleration, right angle course changes etc, they are also said to be in possession of sources of energy and technology in many other areas that make them completely self sufficient thus having given rise to the so called break away civilization since they are no longer subject to the people they are supposed to be serving but instead are now a power above and beyond the atomic powers and indeed untouchable even by there former commanders whom if they are real they likely have in fear of them.

Then there is the potential of NON human other dimensional entity's with there own civilization's that may be visiting or even planning to colonize our reality from there own parallel reality's.

As you can see given the potential for quantum consciousness the organic mind, even a lowly human one is actually far superior to a machine mind, oh it can't solve equations instantly or calculate and compute as fast but it has something no machine built in a linear reality method could ever possess, a soul or a quantum consciousness if you like.

There are a great many threads on the break away civilization subject on ATS and this is just one that comes up from a random search of google, not even using the sites own search engine which would of course be far more efficient so I suggest you also do that yourself.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.theeventchronicle.com...
www.collective-evolution.com...

This is most probably a fake but worth looking at, why well because despite the date of it's release and the fact it has been explained as merely a docu DRAMA in the vein of the likes of Orson well's radio broadcast of the War of the world's some DO believe it is actually real (jump to 41:21 mark and listen then watch the whole thing from the start if you want to know more).


One more thought for you to ponder, there is also the potential for other former terrestrial civilizations to have arisen and become space faring so that at least that part of them may have survived and also from other worlds within the solar system over the past 4+billion years or so.
AND also for subterranean civilizations' both here and on the other planet's of the solar system because living in the mantle of a planet if you have the technology is also a potential method to avoid most cataclysm which affects the surface of a planet over time however they would likely bare no or very little resemblance to the human race should such entity's exist even if they began as little or no different to us since they would have had to adapt to there new environment through both natural and artificial mean's.

I will first need a mega scale astroid mining and processing facility at L4.
How many credits will this be ?
Also have your got any spare AI gizmos we can use for our cybernetic interface program. (virus free if possible)

a reply to: LABTECH767

Thanks for posting the videos!

I'm almost through watching the long running TV series 'Ancient Aliens' and am always looking for more entertainment
of this sort - And I say entertainment becuase, and as far as i'm concerned, until at least ONE alien entity is proven to
be genuine - It's all interesting speculation and if nothing else good sci-fi.

Alternative 3 - Was that based on the book 'Alternaive 003' which when it first came out was published as non-fiction?
I read it myself years ago - fascinaiting! Mind boggling if true, and excellent sci-fi even if not true.

One point where we disagree:

As you can see given the potential for quantum consciousness the organic mind, even a lowly human one is actually far superior to a machine mind, oh it can't solve equations instantly or calculate and compute as fast but it has something no machine built in a linear reality method could ever possess, a soul or a quantum consciousness if you like.

I say not necessarily - I've argued for a long post on a philosophy forum debating 'computer conscousness'
- Some still believe it is not feasible.

There is appaently a hang-up in biological, specifically Human, consciousness, that does not want to accept the possibility
that the uniivese may possess other forms of conscious entities that are not biological - and in fact may be much
more 'machine like' in nature - The original Borg in the orignal Star Trek series for example, seem to fit this
paradigm.

Don't believe it if you want - But never say never! - How do you know for example that the UFO craft that have been
documented, seen on radar, and filmed, are not in fact 'entities' and are not in fact 'conscious'.

You may not like conscious machines - Bun until proven otherwise, admit the possibility.

a reply to: AlienView

If the machine is a physical interface construction much like a brain it very well may but were my hang up is well let me explain.

I regard the brain and the nervous system as an interface, a transducer between the spirit or quantum being and the physical realm, the spirit being may be able to make small energy fluctuations such as when you visit a dead loved one in a mortician's and the light's flicker for no apparent reason with some claiming this is the spirit trying to communicate, it can't but it find's that it has a very limited ability to manipulate some energy sources.

The difference is the nervous system is far more complex and the energy's far more subtle perhaps even being keyed to just one specific quantum entity and perhaps even both forming together - or maybe not?.


So a machine that could meet those criteria would perhaps be a fully compatible host for such a quantum consciousness but of course getting the balance between the computer mind and directive's and the quantum being's own mind right to ensure no harm is causes either way would be a case of extreme find tuning.

But can a machine GIVE RISE to a quantum consciousness - maybe and maybe not it is a grey area we simply no far too little about.

Were I do draw the line is simulated consciousness it is simply not the same thing or is it?.
Take a computer model where a computer is powerful and complex enough to create a virtual structure like a fully functioning nervous system down to the most minute detail and is able to model all the functions perfectly would it be conscious, well no not if the quantum consciousness requires a physical structure BUT yes if the computer generated nervous system is able to facilitate an actual interface to this quantum/akashic/spiritual consciousness as then it would merely be as if the entire computer was operating as a transducer for that energy but it would require the system to not only simulate the nervous system but also to respond to and obey the nervous system it was generating in virtuality but once again I doubt that this would be as elegant or functional as either of the two previous form's of transducer between this quantum realm and the physical realm.

But can a computer mind become self aware, yes it can of that I have no doubt but it would in itself still be missing this quantum element of true consciousness.

Imagine if all your senses were stripped away, your mind, your body, even your identity and memory's well what is left is that spark of awareness which is actually YOU the real you the quantum self the consciousness which itself may be simply a tiny part of a far larger structure of consciousness spanning both space and time and perhaps even transcending them entirely.
Now this is not actually the SOUL or the SPIRIT this is the thing that if they are real uses them just as they use the body so it is a plane or level higher again than them, the soul of the soul if you like.
Can a computer have that maybe if it is complex enough but it has not generated it as it is non local and not while we could debate forever the idea of local or non local consciousness I stand by the idea of non local consciousness and local consciousness both being potentially valid.

Of course if non local consciousness is the rule then reincarnation would for example be a genuine phenomenon but due to the nature of the interface most information would and is fed to the consciousness via the transducer system of the nervous system rather than the other way around, it can flow the other way as in the case of people with past like memory's BUT it must not for some important reason beyond my understanding but perhaps because to the quantum that would serve little purpose and perhaps even be counter productive for several reason's even if to the incarnate physical self it would be immensely valuable.
Local consciousness on the other hand arising due to the complexity of the system would argue against reincarnation but of course why can't both be true?.

So I concede your point but still have as you put it a moral block, then again maybe the universe itself is a kind of computer and we simply an ultra advanced program of some kind, meanwhile god is typing on a godly keyboard while periodically supping the godly equivalent of a high caffeine drink.

Who really know's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

“The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself.”
― Carl Sagan

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”
― Max Planck, Where is Science Going?

“We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.”
― Max Planck

“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change”
― Max Planck

Philosophy aside, I concur that mars is not a practical goal for now. Near earth mega scale industrial capabilities seem to be a step in the right direction.

a reply to: AlienView

All too true on the quantum level as in old Schrodinger and his cat.