REAL DEMON PHOTOGRAPHED: The Case of Joe Martinez

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: peacefulpete

No, sweetheart, I'm not interested in you, I'm interested in the topic that I made the thread about.

The one with the manipulated images to make it seem like a demon kinda dog is over someones shoulder?

It’s just the usual hoax material.
“Nothing there, until the image is changed to make it look like something.”

Oh you're right: Everything mysterious is a hoax.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Oh you're right: Everything mysterious is a hoax.

Care to quote where I said that, or is that another untruth, like “if you change an image it’s still the original”?

LOL!

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: peacefulpete

Oh you're right: Everything mysterious is a hoax.

Care to quote where I said that, or is that another untruth, like “if you change an image it’s still the original”?

LOL!

Look you've convinced me that mysterious photos are automatically hoaxes, and that when a photo is enlarged and color-enhanced then it becomes a completely different photo of a completely different image lol.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Look you've convinced me that mysterious photos are automatically hoaxes

That’s on you, as that wasn’t what I said.

and that when a photo is enlarged and color-enhanced then it becomes a completely different photo of a completely different image

That wasn’t said either.

I’m guessing you’re either 12 or English is far from a first language.

a reply to: peacefulpete

the scariest thing on that photograph is the dudes moustache
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I think its odd how the wall pattern from behind the stairs is part of the "dog" eyebrow.

The fact that a black hanging feather thing makes the rest of the "snout" is a problem for me.

Auto correcting would "enhance" this floral pattern and loop it around the front of the railing, as was done here.

In the original the "orb" detail that drew the guys attention in the first place is more of that golden floral pattern from the wall behind the stairs.

There is also a green and brown flower bulb pattern on the cake, or banister just under the stairs. Same colors as the "demon".

These details make me see this as another lie told by a "religious" person who believes that as long as good is done that they can just lie to their hearts content.

They need to believe. Not everyone else.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: peacefulpete

Look you've convinced me that mysterious photos are automatically hoaxes

That’s on you, as that wasn’t what I said.

and that when a photo is enlarged and color-enhanced then it becomes a completely different photo of a completely different image

That wasn’t said either.

I’m guessing you’re either 12 or English is far from a first language.

Just be glad that you convinced me so well. You win the thread. Mysterious photos are all hoaxes. And enlarged photos with amplified colors are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IMAGES.

You win!!

originally posted by: tadaman
I think its odd how the wall pattern from behind the stairs is part of the "dog" eyebrow.

The fact that a black hanging feather thing makes the rest of the "snout" is a problem for me.

Auto correcting would "enhance" this floral pattern and loop it beyond the railing, as was done here.

In the original the "orb" detail that drew the guys attention in the first place is more of that golden floral pattern from the wall behind the stairs.

There is also a green and brown flower bulb pattern on the cake, or banister just under the stairs.

These details make me see this as another lie told by a "religious" person who believes that as long as good is done that they can just lie to their hearts content.

They need to believe. Not everyone else.

I seriously don't know what details you're describing. I don't see the wall pattern or a feather as part of the dog face.

I don't know what "auto correcting" you're talking about.

Nobody mentioned an orb until you just did. The photo was a shot of Joe and his wife, at his wife's parents' 50th wedding anniversary.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Now I know you are just ego powering this thread.

The wall behind his head has a golden, winding pattern. In the original, it was a blurred spot on the pic that got enhanced to have detail it didnt have before.

Like making the couples eyes or wrinkles noticable again after enhancing a blurred photo from the late 80s.

You can see this for yourself. Take a blurry picture, and use a filter that recovers and restores old photos from scans.

Ask a profesional photographer. The ones who offer old timey photo restorations can tell you.

We had a faded and blurry picture of my granparents restored a while back. The wrinkles in the foto paper were adding lines to the image that the auto enhance option was reading as faded details that had to be better defined.

Unless that original photo had all this detail, and it wasnt added after the fact by ANY human hands or photo development apps or tools, then you just have a crappy picture and pareidolia.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Eh my wifes fine She's from the south of the USA too. But the only real demons are humans, we as a species prove that over and over.

Okay, I'm sure "spirits" exist (in some manner) and likely vary in temperament.

However, I just have to add that I had a dog that jumped a fence and crashed a wedding reception down the street. We chased her and watched (in a quiet panic) as she got on the food table and quickly sampled the couple dishes that she favored, jumped down, said hi to a couple people, stuck her snout up a skirt or three and then heard our hushed calls and left without being seen by most of the guests there... so it's at least possible it's just a dog.

That said, I've had some personal experiences that make me very open minded towards demons and the like, though I try to remain objective and know how silly it sounds to a modern, Western mind set... but I remain stubbornly skeptical of religious dogma and suspect it's been riddled with propaganda and biased observations.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: peacefulpete

Now I know you are just ego powering this thread.

The wall behind his head has a golden, winding pattern. In the original, it was a blurred spot on the pic that got enhanced to have detail it didnt have before.

Like making the couples eyes or wrinkles noticable again after enhancing a blurred photo from the late 80s.

You can see this for yourself. Take a blurry picture, and use a filter that recovers and restores old photos from scans.

Ask a profesional photographer. The ones who offer old timey photo restorations can tell you.

We had a faded and blurry picture of my granparents restored a while back. The wrinkles in the foto paper were adding lines to the image that the auto enhance option was reading as faded details that had to be better defined.

Unless that original photo had all this detail, and it wasnt added after the fact by ANY human hands or photo development apps or tools, then you just have a crappy picture and pareidolia.

My impression (that I've already explained) is that the zoom-in shots actually are simply showing the clearest shot of the film photo.

The blurriness is still perfectly consistent with film photos.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Thats opposite to what every photo specialist has ever said. You still zoom into a crappy picture if its a crappy picture.

What you are thinking only happens in the movies.

If the original lens and camera couldnt capture the detail, then nothing will enhance the photo after the fact.

These details were filtered "in" with touch ups. In the original these look like converging lines from different objects and decorative patterns in the room.

Look at the 2 wall patterns. Look at the colors. Then look at the original photo.

originally posted by: Baddogma
Okay, I'm sure "spirits" exist (in some manner) and likely vary in temperament.

However, I just have to add that I had a dog that jumped a fence and crashed a wedding reception down the street. We chased her and watched (in a quiet panic) as she got on the food table and quickly sampled the couple dishes that she favored, jumped down, said hi to a couple people, stuck her snout up a skirt or three and then heard our hushed calls and left without being seen by most of the guests there... so it's at least possible it's just a dog.

That said, I've had some personal experiences that make me very open minded towards demons and the like, though I try to remain objective and know how silly it sounds to a modern, Western mind set... but I remain stubbornly skeptical of religious dogma and suspect it's been riddled with propaganda and biased observations.

I literally laughed out loud. You just happened to have the same exact experience as the mundane explanation for the photo. Your dog crashed a wedding reception lol, jumped on the table, ate the food, and no one noticed.

Can you also please post the photo that was taken of the couple in front of the table with the wedding cake and dog peering over his shoulder? It must have looked almost exactly like the photo in the OP, right? lol

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: peacefulpete

Thats opposite to what every photo specialist has ever said. You zoom into a crappy picture if its a crappy picture.

What you are thinking only happens in the movies.

If the original lens and camera couldnt capture the detail, then nothing will enhance the photo after the fact.

These details were filtered "in"

No, I believe the zoom-in is simply showing the natural appearance of the film photo.

The blur is completely consistent with film photos. It doesn't look sharpened or edited at all.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Is that belief founded on technical information? Is that your LAYMANS understanding?

Are you someone with experience or history dealing with these sorts of technical, non faith based, photo problems?

Or is it a "feeling" sort of belief you have in "zoom" capabilities.

EDIT TO ADD:
Well, we could just stop building space telescopes and high definition lenses. All we need to do is to zoom and enhance old pictures from crappy cameras.

Its not like we cant just zoom in more, amirite.

I remember hearing about this story a few years back. I was divided on what to think then, but my more sceptical mind now seems to think it's not a demon and some other more simple explanation would explain the face above his shoulder in the picture.

For curiosity sake, I would be interested in hearing from others why they think a photograph would reveal something potentially from the spiritual world that the naked eye doesn't seem to pick up.

a reply to: peacefulpete

It could just be a statue or a stuffed dog behind him. The only thing we have to go on that nothing was there...is his word. Far be it from anyone to troll or hoax on the internet for attention.

"Snausages."

Look closely at the ORIGINAL.

Ladies arm is draped around the guy. You can see her hand on his shoulder. You can clearly see some of the tapestry or whatever behind them that has a design, between her hand, and the cake. Some personally just helpfully colored all that in to resemble a dogs mouth.

The "top" of the dogs head? Look up.. there is a line extending from that, to the plant above. It's clearly a leaf hanging from that plant. Look to the right of the "demon dog." The eye? Seems pretty obvious that is the design to the right of it - it's connected directly to it after all, as part of the loop. Other eye also seems to be part of the design (a round circle, just darker.. like the other parts of the design).

I don't think there was a dog, or a demon - just a good case of pareidolia. I do think the guy probably really believes it's something supernatural, and so yea.. he seems very serious and truthful about it. Because he was fooled by it too. I guess maybe in the grand scheme of things, maybe a guardian was looking over him and so.. this was created, and it got him sober... so a good ending for him!

But this reminds of of shoddily examined photographs of Mars mounts and rocks. Pyramids.. when actually examined, have crooked edges, and is not a pyramid at all. Or objects or creatures.. that were helpfully colored and outlined.. to help someone think there really IS something there.. if you look hard enough and then change it look like what you want it to look like.

The colored OP version of this is bunk - you can't base it on that. Examine the original CAREFULLY.. I think you'll find it's much ado about nothing.