Trump Calls Out Koch Brothers...

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Sure, be we arent talking about you, we're talking about the Kochs. Their motivation is indeed partisan, as that assessment effects them and their ends. Do they have the interests of the working man or woman at heart? Or do they just want the gift of cheap labor to keep on giving.

I dunno, really whose to say? maybe they do , maybe they dont, im sure profits are a HUGE deal to them.

But how long have so many of us on the right side of thing championed the fact that the free market, and profits for these companies LIFT UP, people, create jobs, etc etc etc.

So now were against capitalism because Trump?

I hope you can understand what im trying to say here.

Depends. Do you champion crony capitalism? I don't.

But you guys werent calling it crony capitalism in regards to the Koch brothers just 4 short years ago?

Are you sure about that? Or are you speculating?

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Improving the US's trade policy is going to break some eggs.

With the 50% upcharge the US gets the pleasure of paying for medical perhaps the industry on the hole can cut back profits for a bit til the dust settles.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Sure, be we arent talking about you, we're talking about the Kochs. Their motivation is indeed partisan, as that assessment effects them and their ends. Do they have the interests of the working man or woman at heart? Or do they just want the gift of cheap labor to keep on giving.

I dunno, really whose to say? maybe they do , maybe they dont, im sure profits are a HUGE deal to them.

But how long have so many of us on the right side of thing championed the fact that the free market, and profits for these companies LIFT UP, people, create jobs, etc etc etc.

So now were against capitalism because Trump?

I hope you can understand what im trying to say here.

Depends. Do you champion crony capitalism? I don't.

But you guys werent calling it crony capitalism in regards to the Koch brothers just 4 short years ago?

Are you sure about that? Or are you speculating?

I can tell you that I have been on this site off and on since 2007, and when the Koch brothers were going through their back and forths in the news, MOST conservatives were sticking up for them.

We can play this semantics game all night, but we all know its true.

Since Trump has come into office, the left and right have COMPLETELY switched their positions on so many issues, and its plane as day , to see news casters and former "conservative champions" Go the opposite direction on issues depending on if Trump is for or against it.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Improving the US's trade policy is going to break some eggs.

With the 50% upcharge the US gets the pleasure of paying for medical perhaps the industry on the hole can cut back profits for a bit til the dust settles.

Its not just about profits, its about quality of care.

Im sure youll be thinking that if yourself, kids, or family members has something tragic happens to them, and Paramedics are called in to SAVE THEIR LIFE.

Your first thoughts prob gonna be, "eh just use the cheap stuff, I know weve had to cut your pay, scale up your hours, and youve had to make some sacrifices to quality of products just to survive, but dotn worry about it.

Lets just roll the dice"

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Except the inlaws are all paying $500 a month for rent (insurance) +copays +out of network +single person deductibles +family deductibles +the highest pharma cost on the globe +they have no idea what a visit to the hospital is going to cost +they could be bankrupted even with insurance.

Thats like saying that because the family down the street who has 2 kids, and makes 65k a year and lives fine, could move in the rest of their inlaws, have 5 more kids, and make it taking int the same resources and income they did with 2 kids.

Its not the same at all.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Except the inlaws are all paying $500 a month for rent (insurance) +copays +out of network +single person deductibles +family deductibles +the highest pharma cost on the globe +they have no idea what a visit to the hospital is going to cost +they could be bankrupted even with insurance.

Thats like saying that because the family down the street who has 2 kids, and makes 65k a year and lives fine, could move in the rest of their inlaws, have 5 more kids, and make it taking int the same resources and income they did with 2 kids.

Its not the same at all.

Congrats on completely missing the point intentionally , the system wouldnt work in the US period, our population, GDP, porous border, wouldnt facilitate it.

I work in the medical industry, it wouldnt be sustainable

What do you do? Again?

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered


Scare tactics......Last resort.

Your first thoughts prob gonna be, "eh just use the cheap stuff, I know weve had to cut your pay, scale up your hours, and youve had to make some sacrifices to quality of products just to survive, but dotn worry about it.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered


Scare tactics......Last resort.

Your first thoughts prob gonna be, "eh just use the cheap stuff, I know weve had to cut your pay, scale up your hours, and youve had to make some sacrifices to quality of products just to survive, but dotn worry about it.

LoL its not a scare tactic, its a situation that would actually have to be weighed if we went on this "universal healthcare" situation you seem to think would work.

Again, I have worked in the medical field all of my life, what do you do?

Youre going to sit here and tell me I have no idea what im talking about?

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

I hate to break it to you. Our system is not sustainable as it stands. There is a reason other countries by and large do not have our system.

They do it more efficiently and don't come in #37 in quality of care even though outspending every other country on the globe.

When the Koch bros were bankrolling the Tparty they were the rightwings darlings.

time.com...

But now that the bros see trump for the Putin cuckold he is, the Koch's are globalists and Rinos.

amazing!

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

It is called scaling up-bumpy sure. Doable you bet.

David Koch stepped down recently from business and politics. Koch needs to move aside whether Trump is genuine to these Swamp creatures being flushed or a shill for Killary or not, good move on his part calling them out! LOL

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

I hate to break it to you. Our system is not sustainable as it stands. There is a reason other countries by and large do not have our system.

They do it more efficiently and don't come in #37 in quality of care even though outspending every other country on the globe.

And yet these countries that you seem to be saying are doing it so much better, have a huge amount of their populace that come to the US for medical care.

Not to mention, this healthcare system you push from Canada ranks as 30? forget the variables and the fact that our population is 10 times what canadas is.

LoL come on get real

Im not saying that our medical industry couldnt improve, I could rattle off 100000 things I would love to see that could change this, from Pharma being reigned in, to medical supply companies not being able to scalp at such a HUGE margin.

But TARIFFS are making it WORSE.

End of.

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

So moving to a Canadian system would increase the US's medical quality by 7 points and save $$$$???? No brainier.

And there is medical tourism all over the world, especially out of the US.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

So moving to a Canadian system would increase the US's medical quality by 7 points and save $$$$???? No brainier.

And there is medical tourism all over the world, especially out of the US.

no.....thats......thats not how numbers work. Youre not taking into account population, GDP, Debt, cost of service, number of health care providers, cost to produce medical supplies etc etc etc.

Thats not how it works, thats not how any of this works.

Again, youre trying to tell someone who has been in this industry his whole life, how the medical industry works.

No offense, but you simply have no idea what youre talking about.

Now dont get me wrong, I believe your heart is in the right place, I really really do, but it just wouldnt work here.

FRANCES system MIGHT, if we could adjust our debt, and work on some other things, but even they arent single payer.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Edumakated


I really think there is no difference between GOP (and their backers) and DNC (and their backers).

Very true , but it will be fun watching the democrats now support the koch brothers.

Now if trump is able get the republicans to back soros he is a master jedi 43 level chess playing wizard.

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Our system (privatized socialism) is hopelessly broken. And doing just a small amount of basic research yields better an much more cost effective ways of handling the massive amounts of $$$.

We have a administration (private insurance) cost that is unsustainable and we will either change it or it WILL collapse.

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Edumakated


I really think there is no difference between GOP (and their backers) and DNC (and their backers).

Very true , but it will be fun watching the democrats now support the koch brothers.

Now if trump is able get the republicans to back soros he is a master jedi 43 level chess playing wizard.

I honestly have thought this same thing, and have secretly been waiting to see this happen, because I would NOT be surprised at all at this point.

If Soros says something nice about the president, Trump will compliment him and then all the sudden Soros will be a good guy with all his supporters.

As a person sitting in the middle, watching all this madness, just makes us want to retreat back into areas away from both sides and let them destroy each other.

Because its clear both sides have lost their damn minds and wont be happy until they have burned the whole thing down so they can claim "king of the mountain"

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Our system (privatized socialism) is hopelessly broken. And doing just a small amount of basic research yields better an much more cost effective ways of handling the massive amounts of $$$.

We have a administration (private insurance) cost that is unsustainable and we will either change it or it WILL collapse.

35 years here medical experience. I employ over 100 people.

Private insurance isnt the issue, GOV INVOLVEMENT/CORRUPTION and the sheer amount of money they and special interests groups are guaranteed from private insurance is the issue. Remove the lobbyists, and payoffs for favors and youll see rates drop.

Make it competitive and youll see rates drop.

Kill the monopoly and make it like car insurance, youll see a drop (again see France, the number 1 on the list you stated earlier in health care)

The problem is Gov is already involved too heavily, the solution isnt MORE GOV and GOV run healthcare, they are already causing the problem.

a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Removing corruption is always a good thing. Private insurance has to increase profits every quarter-or the investors jump ship.

Non profit seems to be the logical way to go with a health care system, no quarterly demands for 3% profitability increases.