President Trump Says He Interviewed Bob Mueller for FBI Director - That Could Be a Ruse.

a reply to: Sillyolme

www.cnn.com...

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," Rosenstein said at a news conference. "There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result."

That is from Rosenstein who is Muellers boss.
Trump is still an american citizen isnt he?

So you have comeys testimony that trump was never under investigation to begin with.
And you have Rosensteins statement that NO american citizen committed a crime at to the election.

vs
"sources"

lol
I will take the word of the leo's every time.
no collusion
no investigation into trump

when you have facts please post them, I am interested in the direction this goes

a reply to: introvert

But after he fired Comey, he became part of an obstruction investigation. Not sure why you are having a hard time grasping such a simple concept.

When you post anything from any leos saying this I will be happy to believe it.
When Rosenstein says there were no crimes committed by american citizens associated with the russian hacking and the election I dont know how much more clear he can be.
You keep saying trumps obstruction was related to the russian hacking and the election right?
Trump is in the clear as long as he keeps his yap shut and doesnt incur process crimes.

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," Rosenstein said at a news conference. "There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result."

or does that just apply to everyone EXCEPT the president?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: introvert

But after he fired Comey, he became part of an obstruction investigation. Not sure why you are having a hard time grasping such a simple concept.

When you post anything from any leos saying this I will be happy to believe it.
When Rosenstein says there were no crimes committed by american citizens associated with the russian hacking and the election I dont know how much more clear he can be.
You keep saying trumps obstruction was related to the russian hacking and the election right?
Trump is in the clear as long as he keeps his yap shut and doesnt incur process crimes.

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," Rosenstein said at a news conference. "There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result."

or does that just apply to everyone EXCEPT the president?

That's fine, shooter. You believe what you like.

Saying that Trump was subject to the investigation, which would be logically implied considering that they were investigating his campaign, should not be considered unreasonable.

It does not mean he did anything wrong or illegal. So I'm not sure why you continue to refute what has become generally accepted at this point. I'm also confused as to why you rely on taking things our of context in order to push your narrative.

a reply to: introvert

oh no no no

which would be logically implied

I didn't ask for implied nor did you.
There are leo's on record stating he is NOT under investigation.
That is vastly different than "reports" from "sources" that state he is not a target. Nothing I have read will even substantiate that he is a subject. It is "implied" that since he is not the target he must be a subject.
Why must he be a subject when leo's have said he is not under investigation?

considering that they were investigating his campaign

Even when comey stated they had an open counter intelligence investigation open comey specifically stated it DID NOT involve trump.
So yes it is unreasonable to ASSUME he is under investigation. Unless the leo's are lying, and the investigation is nothing more than politics.

I actually expected a little more from you. Facts on one side, "sources" on the other; with any other subject I would wager to know where you stood.

a reply to: carewemust

Hey...this is one of your best threads ever,

This scenario would play out with what others are saying that the collusion is just a ruse..and that he's secretly working to bring done some "deep state".

The only thing that breaks down this theory is that with 200 people there would surely be some leaks and maybe some will do a runner.

Now why was Obama in New Zealand again? Maybe getting his NZ citizenship?

a reply to: shooterbrody

I didn't ask for implied nor did you. There are leo's on record stating he is NOT under investigation.

He was not under investigation BEFORE he fired Comey.

That is important context that you seem to be avoiding.

That is vastly different than "reports" from "sources" that state he is not a target. Nothing I have read will even substantiate that he is a subject. It is "implied" that since he is not the target he must be a subject.
Why must he be a subject when leo's have said he is not under investigation?

Perhaps you have issues reading, if you cannot find anything that substantiates why he would be a subject of an investigation.

It's obvious why he is the subject of an investigation. Not only that, but Trump's own lawyers sent letters to the SC discussing the investigation and why Trump cannot have of obstructed justice.

www.nytimes.com...

In our conversation of January 8, your office identified the following topics as areas you desired to address with the President in order to complete your investigation on the subjects of alleged collusion and obstruction of justice

Even when comey stated they had an open counter intelligence investigation open comey specifically stated it DID NOT involve trump. So yes it is unreasonable to ASSUME he is under investigation. Unless the leo's are lying, and the investigation is nothing more than politics.

Again, it's about timing and context, which you seem to be having issues with.

I actually expected a little more from you. Facts on one side, "sources" on the other; with any other subject I would wager to know where you stood.

Yet you expect so little of yourself.

It appears you are trying to argue over points that have been accepted for some time. Even by Trump and his legal staff.

All your own opinion. No actual facts.
here are some actual legal facts that you probably disagree with, but then again you are not a lawyer are you?

President Trump’s opponents have repeatedly misrepresented the crime of obstruction of justice, conflating the colloquial meaning of “obstruction” with the legal concept.

thehill.com...
and yet there is more
how about from comey himself...

www.politico.com...

BURR: Director Comey, did the president at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. Elections?
COMEY: Not to my understanding, no.

BURR: Did any individual working for this administration, including the justice department, ask you to stop the Russian investigation?
COMEY: No.

RUBIO: His specific ask was you'd tell the American people what you'd told him, told the leaders of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, he was not personally under investigation?
COMEY: Yes, sir.
RUBIO: What he was asking you to do, would you have done here today?
COMEY: Correct. Yes, sir.

COLLINS: And was the president under investigation at the time of your dismissal on May 9th?
COMEY: No

BLUNT: Six weeks later were still telling the president on March the 30th that he was not personally the target of any investigation?
COMEY: Correct. On March the 30th, and I think again on April 11th, as well, I told him we're not investigating him personally. That was true.

And from Rosenstein himself.
It is important to note that Rosenstein was notified in advance that Trump intended to replace comey. So if Rosenstein knew Trump was going to fire comey and Rosenstein and Sessions agreed, ALL THREE would be obstructing justice would they not?
www.usatoday.com...

On May 8, I learned that President Trump intended to remove Director Comey and sought my advice and input. Notwithstanding my personal affection for Director Comey, I thought it was appropriate to seek a new leader. I wrote a brief memorandum to the Attorney General summarizing my longstanding concerns about Director Comey’s public statements concerning the Secretary Clinton email investigation. I chose the issues to include in my memorandum. Before finalizing the memorandum on May 9, I asked a senior career attorney on my staff to review it. That attorney is an ethics expert who has worked in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General during multiple administrations. He was familiar with the issues. I informed the senior attorney that the President was going to remove Director Comey, that I was writing a memorandum to the Attorney General summarizing my own concerns, and that I wanted to confirm that everything in my memorandum was accurate. He concurred with the points raised in my memorandum. I also asked several other career Department attorneys to review the memorandum and provide edits. My memorandum is not a legal brief; these are not issues of law. My memorandum is not a finding of official misconduct; the Inspector General will render his judgment about that issue in due course. My memorandum is not a statement of reasons to justify a for-cause termination. My memorandum is not a survey of FBI morale or performance. My memorandum is not a press release. It is a candid internal memorandum about the FBI Director’s public statements concerning a high-profile criminal investigation. I sent my signed memorandum to the Attorney General after noon on Tuesday, May 9. I wrote it. I believe it. I stand by it.

Seems Rosesnstein was pretty thorough in cross checking his memorandum. If "obstruction" was an issue surely someone at the DOJ would have brought that up no?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Nice deflection.

I just gave you a quote from the letter Trump's own legal team sent. If you read it, you would see how far it actually goes.

a reply to: introvert

I gave you facts from comey and rosenstein...you know the leo guys actually determining the investigations.

Interesting to see you have no comment on rosenstein (and his minions in the doj who reviewed his memorandum) and sessions direction to fire comey.

I just gave you a quote from the letter Trump's own legal team sent. If you read it, you would see how far it actually goes.

no you posted more "information" from "sources"
no direct quotes from anyone when asked

a reply to: shooterbrody


It's pretty sad how hate can cloud the common sense of so many "normal" people.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: carewemust

Hey...this is one of your best threads ever,

This scenario would play out with what others are saying that the collusion is just a ruse..and that he's secretly working to bring done some "deep state".

The only thing that breaks down this theory is that with 200 people there would surely be some leaks and maybe some will do a runner.

Now why was Obama in New Zealand again? Maybe getting his NZ citizenship?

Obama told Kenyans last week that he was born there...that's he's one of them. Maybe he's going to come clean and just stay in his country of birth?

If Bob Mueller wasn't sacrificing Paul Manafort on the alter, I'd feel more confident that his team is indeed working with Rosenstein/Sessions/Huber. Maybe Paul Manafort will just get a slap on the wrist for his sacrifice.

Michael Flynn hasn't been charged with anything beyond telling a lie to the FBI. Turns out that the FBI lied about him lying. Hopefully Flynn will be compensated well for the financial troubles Mueller brought his way. (Lost his home.)

a reply to: shooterbrody


Excellent post! I didn't know that Rod Rosenstein knew in advance, and approved, of James Comey being terminated.

Thank-you!

More evidence that the Bob Mueller investigation isn't what everyone thinks it is:

Paul Manafort's trial began today. Paul Manafort was "cleared" of these very charges 8 years ago, by ROD ROSENSTEIN!

In a television interview, Judge Anthony Napolitano explained how Paul Manafort was exonerated of the same charges eight years ago by then-prosecutor Rod Rosenstein.

The Judge’s words back up President Trump’s “Witch Hunt” argument as there’s a clear bias to this entire media circus the nation has endured for months.

More at: www.infowars.com...

Evidence that Bob Mueller is pivoting away from REPUBLICANS and over to DEMOCRATS.

Federal prosecutors in New York are following a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller's office, NBC News reports.

The individuals being investigated include former lobbyist Tony Podesta, former Minnesota Republican Rep. Vin Weber and former Obama White House Counsel Greg Craig.

More at: www.cnbc.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Obama told Kenyans last week that he was born there...that's he's one of them.

That is, of course, a lie, as explained in this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Of course, you knew that.

The left is hanging themselves as usual.

Let them keep making ridiculous and unfounded claims. Let their bizarre predictions continue. The more times they matter-of-factly claim that Trump's impeachment/indictment is a foregone conclusion, the more ammo we have to use against them and discredit them personally in the midterms.

By all means, keep pushing bizarre unfounded conspiracy theories as if they were facts, keep pushing your opinion like its a fact, and continue down this "collusion conclusion" path

Helps us win.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: shooterbrody


Excellent post! I didn't know that Rod Rosenstein knew in advance, and approved, of James Comey being terminated.

Thank-you!

It was obviously missed on trms and morning joe.
Kind of hard to push "obstruction" when the guys bosses both said he should be canned for cause, or perhaps Sessions and Rosenstein are both in on it as well.

a reply to: JBurns

By all means, keep pushing bizarre unfounded conspiracy theories as if they were facts, keep pushing your opinion like its a fact, and continue down this "collusion conclusion" path

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Need I go on? The Trumpsters have used up all the rope.

a reply to: shooterbrody

In that indictment.
Big whoop. There will be more indictments and Americans will undoubtedly be mentioned and named in them.
You keep calling the show over when it's only the intermission.
That's the common mistake I see being made here.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

In that indictment.
Big whoop. There will be more indictments and Americans will undoubtedly be mentioned and named in them.
You keep calling the show over when it's only the intermission.
That's the common mistake I see being made here.

Sure there will, there must have been plenty of OTHER Ruskies to collude with since Rosenstein said NO AMERICANS worked with those indicted.
The only mistake here is the unsubstantiated MSNBC trms and morning joe garbage you parrot.