In Defense of The U.S.A.

A long time ago I wrote about how many nations view the United States as quite a backwards place with regards to how conservative you guys are and your very strict adherence to principles such as freedom of speech and freedom to acquire and own weapons such as guns. I think now more than ever you guys are probably starting to notice the gap between your ideologies and those held by other westernized nations around the world.

If you think the gap between the left and the right is large, well that gap is even bigger when you look at other nations. It has become a past-time activity in nations such as mine for the MSM and other talking heads to mock the U.S. population and its leadership. Of course the MSM isn't an accurate representation of the general population but they do affect how people think and I have noticed an increase in this trend.

The electing of Trump as president has definitely only helped to solidify these notions and I'm seeing it more and more in the Australian media. We like to think of ourselves as some how morally superior, like we must know better than these ignorant morons who would place such a buffoon and misogynist into the presidential office. How could they possibly think that would produce any sort of desirable outcome?

Clearly the more liberal nations like the UK and Australia are more civilized and evolved in their ideology. That must be why the U.S. has economically dominated the world for decades and does it with a fraction of the population that other super powers such as China have. Why would anyone like such uncivilized freedom loving people? It truly is a mystery why we all fawn over the movies and tv shows produced in the U.S.

Yes they must be complete idiots for respecting individualism instead of succumbing to collectivism and allowing the nanny state to strip them of all rights. Clearly more socialism and thought control is the way the human species will reach the next stage of enlightenment. Such conservative hill billies lack the brain cells to understand. That must be why the U.S. is the leading powerhouse of innovation and technological development.

Lets not forget how most Americans are intolerant and racist, that must be why they are ranked highest on the list of development aid country donors. Those filthy capitalist pigs clearly don't care about anyone besides themselves, all of their success comes down to their lack of remorse when they screw everyone else and has nothing to do with their intelligence or ideologies.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
We like to think of ourselves as some how morally superior, like we must know better than these ignorant morons who

That's the moment of terminal velocity in all stories of ruthless genocides.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

The Australian media makes CNN & MSNBC look legit. Just take a look at any aussie MSM outlets' coverage of Lauren Southern & Stefan Molyneaux's recent tour. Sky was about the most objective. Channel 7 was/is the most retarded.

I don't see the US population being mocked more than any other, usually its just taking the piss which is what Aussies do with anyone and everyone, including ourselves, with the message generally being "lighten up!".
Mostly though the people i see really could care less about US politics, I think too much time spent in US political forums could twist ones perception, spending time obsessing over the politics of your own country let alone another is in my opinion pointless and hazardous to ones mental health.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Can't you 'defend' the USA without #ting on other places?

The USA has delivered music and movies that have changed the world. There's a reason why 'American culture' travels so well and the reason is it appeals to the broad majority of the planet's population. It's also created NASA to put boots on the Moon and brought the internet to the world.

All of that and the very special status of the Constitution. The ideas behind it came from Western Europe, but it was America that made them a reality. Britain remained a monarchy and people like Tom Paine had to leave to survive and spread the dream. France promoted the ideals, but didn't quite enact them into their ideas of a republic. Those Founding Fathers had revolutionary ideas that the European ruling classes weren't ready for and they found a home in the thirteen colonies.

France, Britain, Australia, Canada and so on are great nations in their rights too. They have phenomenal histories and have been part of the cultural matrix that makes America what it is. None of us stand alone and none of us can thrive without the others. It's divisive to promote this idea of whole nations ridiculing the USA and kinda ridiculous.

Your perspective that people think Americans are racists and intolerant doesn't make sense. Where's your evidence that other places resent individualism? People love freedom and yet you're saying only Americans do?! You are wrong my friend. You are succumbing to one of the 'Big Lies' of our generation and should watch out for the cliff. It's the lie that political differences are unbridgeable and that half the population are a different sub-human species.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Despite being an Aussie, my perspective is external as I now live in one of the little islands off the coast, which I far prefer to the mainland.

Federal Australia seems to me to not be that far from 'Murricah in right wingedness and sheepleness.

a reply to: chr0naut

'Kangarooland' is a most fascinating place to such a bizarre creature as I, not merely for the bizarre creatures outsides of the human variety, but that despite being a province of "The Crown", Australia has subconsciously managed to afford certain "bizarre" comforts to a variety of "micro nations". I hope you make your own and it does well.

Most western nations are controlled by the Cabal.

Give it time ... we all need to break free of their control.

MAGA ... Make Australia Great Again.

MABA ... Make Britain Great Again.

As for Canada ... Sorry

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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Can't you 'defend' the USA without #ting on other places?

The USA has delivered music and movies that have changed the world. There's a reason why 'American culture' travels so well and the reason is it appeals to the broad majority of the planet's population. It's also created NASA to put boots on the Moon and brought the internet to the world.

All of that and the very special status of the Constitution. The ideas behind it came from Western Europe, but it was America that made them a reality. Britain remained a monarchy and people like Tom Paine had to leave to survive and spread the dream. France promoted the ideals, but didn't quite enact them into their ideas of a republic. Those Founding Fathers had revolutionary ideas that the European ruling classes weren't ready for and they found a home in the thirteen colonies.

France, Britain, Australia, Canada and so on are great nations in their rights too. They have phenomenal histories and have been part of the cultural matrix that makes America what it is. None of us stand alone and none of us can thrive without the others. It's divisive to promote this idea of whole nations ridiculing the USA and kinda ridiculous.

Your perspective that people think Americans are racists and intolerant doesn't make sense. Where's your evidence that other places resent individualism? People love freedom and yet you're saying only Americans do?! You are wrong my friend. You are succumbing to one of the 'Big Lies' of our generation and should watch out for the cliff. It's the lie that political differences are unbridgeable and that half the population are a different sub-human species.

Let me guess, which country was so 'advanced' that it was just about the last country in the world to abolish slavery?

... and they still don't have properly subsidized healthcare or free education.

But I wonder how someone could possibly believe that their particular nation are pretty much the main source of art and culture in a world where every country has its own unique and world changing art and culture.

a reply to: chr0naut

Strawman nonsense. I didn't say anything about any nation being 'advanced.'

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Lets not forget how most Americans are intolerant and racist

That's quite the bold statement you've made. Stats?

I suppose then that Americans only help 'Unicef' because they don't actually give a # about the people they're giving to. And Doctors save lives because again, they don't care. And Naturopaths create alternative healing for people because again, they're 'racist and intolerant', as you said.

a reply to: pheonix358

A large majority of Canadians are immigrants from the UK.

Sorry.

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

No need to be sorry.

Many other countries share the same pain.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Your hate on for Canada shows in big bright colors. Wait.. You're an Aussie aren't you?

Wow...just...wow. The ignorance is strong with this thread.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Why so bothered by the opinions of outsiders? Many of whom, maybe even most, have never been, and will never be, here. Or if they ever are, it'll be some touristy place that isn't very representative of America.

It effect us here not in the slightest. Some nitwit in NSW, or the original Wales, with an opinion on a place he/she has never been, and whose exposure to America comes from bad movies, and worse TV shows isn't worth gettin' hot and bothered over.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Can't you 'defend' the USA without #ting on other places?

I don't really see any issue with criticizing my own nation and the UK is also part of the Commonwealth Realm so I can take a little jab at it lol. Those who throw crap around should expect it to be flung back at some point.

France, Britain, Australia, Canada and so on are great nations in their rights too. They have phenomenal histories and have been part of the cultural matrix that makes America what it is. None of us stand alone and none of us can thrive without the others. It's divisive to promote this idea of whole nations ridiculing the USA and kinda ridiculous.

No doubt Australia is an extremely awesome country but it's not without flaws. As I said it's mostly the MSM I have a problem with and they are not an accurate representation of the general population. It's clearly a coordinated agenda designed to shape the way people think and they deserve to be called out on it. I'm just calling it as I see it, and what I see is a very high level of vitriol directed towards the U.S. from nations such as the ones you listed.

Where's your evidence that other places resent individualism? People love freedom and yet you're saying only Americans do?! You are wrong my friend. You are succumbing to one of the 'Big Lies' of our generation and should watch out for the cliff. It's the lie that political differences are unbridgeable and that half the population are a different sub-human species.

Well besides the fact I live outside the U.S. and have a first hand perspective of the situation, I'm arguing a deeper point that excessive socialism and collectivism erodes individualism, as I've written about extensively in the past, and you end up going down the path which leads to the creation of a nanny state, which I can see happening in AU and even more so in the UK. Now you may say it's offensive to even claim such things but once again I'm just saying what I see and when I see things heading in a direction I don't like then I will point it out and dish out some healthy criticism when necessary.

Also, speaking about tolerance and division, why is it that the ones who wont let people express their views are on the left 90% of the time, as we saw the other night in Australia when Stefan and Lauren had a conference and then the police decided to charge the event organizers for the damages and costs of policing the protestors. Yeah I'm not seeing any agenda here what so ever, it must all be in my head. No on is sub-human, except maybe some of those robotic talking heads on the news. I try to be tolerant of all beliefs, in fact I strongly dislike all organized religion and am no where near as conservative as you may first assume, and I accept we need some socialist policies for society to function, it's about balance as are all things in life.

a reply to: seagull

Why so bothered by the opinions of outsiders?

Perhaps I should have been clearer, I am also an "outsider".

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Yeah, no nation is without its flaws and all of them will have some theme that seems negative to most others. I'm UK and know there's plenty of things to hang our heads over. It's still the best place to live imho and it's only natural for people to prefer their own place of birth.

As I said it's mostly the MSM I have a problem with and they are not an accurate representation of the general population. It's clearly a coordinated agenda designed to shape the way people think and they deserve to be called out on it. I'm just calling it as I see it, and what I see is a very high level of vitriol directed towards the U.S. from nations such as the ones you listed.

The MSM is going through a dark night of the soul. They've lost their sense of ethics and journalistic balance in the way so many articles are now editorialised. I'm down to about 4-5 news sites. I'm not sure if the vitriol is aimed at 'the US' or in Trump's general direction - there's a big difference.

Well besides the fact I live outside the U.S. and have a first hand perspective of the situation, I'm arguing a deeper point that excessive socialism and collectivism erodes individualism, as I've written about extensively in the past, and you end up going down the path which leads to the creation of a nanny state, which I can see happening in AU and even more so in the UK.

It's like a balance or a see-saw with ideologies having ascendency one generation/decade and not the next. I don't personally see much difference in the outcomes of either Left/right and how they effect the majority of working class and middle class people. Cost of living stil rises and we're always warring in the Middle East. What happens to the richest? They carried on getting richer during the recession (under Obama) and are getting richer through tax cuts (under Trump). Social mobility is stagnating across the western world under a variety of governments and coalitions. It's there in the growing service sector and the shrinking number of first-time house buyers - # jobs and rising house prices.

Also, speaking about tolerance and division, why is it that the ones who wont let people express their views are on the left 90% of the time

From my crow's nest on ATS it looks like the tolerance is in decline and division peaked a few weeks ago. Muslims, gays, blacks, whites, transgenders, Liberals, progressives, alt-Right, Trump, Hillary etc. That isn't all down to the Left, it's from the Right as well.

I wasn't trying to be an asshole with you personally. It was more about wishing all this finger-pointing and division would crank itself back down again. Sorry for the long post. I'd refer more to your last paragraph if it wouldn't make this post into a pamphlet.

a reply to: Kandinsky

From my crow's nest on ATS it looks like the tolerance is in decline and division peaked a few weeks ago. Muslims, gays, blacks, whites, transgenders, Liberals, progressives, alt-Right, Trump, Hillary etc. That isn't all down to the Left, it's from the Right as well.

Well I do agree tolerance is in decline which is part of the reason I wrote this thread. And yes it comes from all sides but I also think it's important to look at exactly what people like Stefan and Lauren are saying rather than make assumptions about what they are saying. They aren't in any way saying we should dislike Muslim people, they direct their criticisms at the religion of Islam which is well deserving of criticism.

I judge people individually based on who they are as a person and not as a group. I couldn't care less if a person is straight or gay or what the color of their skin is. It's not clear to me many prominent people on the right are in any way inciting hatred towards such groups because they aren't encouraging that when you listen to what they're actually saying.

However I can see a very clear attempt to mock and defame people who may not be so left leaning and especially anyone who may support Trump. The fact that most of the MSM is directed to fuel this campaign of hate and belittlement is what I find worse of all because they have the most power to influence the way people think.

I wasn't trying to be an asshole with you personally. It was more about wishing all this finger-pointing and division would crank itself back down again. Sorry for the long post. I'd refer more to your last paragraph if it wouldn't make this post into a pamphlet.

It's fine I can understand why you would get sick of all the division, especially being a mod. I think most of us want it to simmer down a bit, but I don't really think that's going to happen very soon. I also think it's good for us to have these tough debates though as a species so we can discover the best ways to operate society, in the end the best system and the most robust philosophies and ideologies will prevail.