Poor people in the UK can't eat healthy food because...

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You work for the NHS, how do you feel about the claims that they're only fat because they had antibiotics as a child.

Interestingly I saw some research not long ago I was reading that looked into obesity related to caesarian sections. There is a line of thinking that obesity could be linked to the flora in our gut, now as new born babies our guts are sterile until we pass through the birth canal when we start getting some of mums germs in our guts but if you have a caesarian that does not happen. Interestingly this has been linked to a increase in obesity (cannot remember the journal don't ask).

I would imagine with antibiotic use as children its the same line of thinking that the use of antibiotics is altering the chemical ballance and thus causing obesity and this is something I have also read about. The BBC done a documentary not that long ago that discussed the role the bugs in our gut have one our obesity levels.

So to answer your question I would say that I would be inclined to believe its possible that its linked but that isn't one magic factor that contributes to obesity its a ver complex issue. .

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: purplemer

FFS!!!
Read my posts properly!
NOWHERE have I stated I am a vegan, for the 4th time I'll repeat, I was vegan for a couple of years, then veggie for a decade, now I'm omnivore.
FFS READ IT PROPERLY INSTEAD OF SKIM READING JUST LOOKING FOR SOME LAME POINT TO ARGUE OVER!

Its not a lame point its the crux of your thread. I have shown you a probable cause for obesity yet you prefer to continue to just want to shame the gravitationally challenged members of society.

Sorry your thread is not going the way you want. I have a different perspecitive to you. A wise man would digest the information and act in accordance. That is not what you are doing. You are flapping like a fish out of water.

Address your mistake and get back into the water

a reply to: purplemer

I've answered you and said that if someone who is fat because of antibiotics as a child changed their diet appropriately and used more energy than they take in then they would lose weight.
Nothing more to add really, it's a fact.
...unless you wanna say in it's most basic form I am incorrect?

a reply to: purplemer
Me previously being vegan is not the crux of my thread at all, now you are just making stuff up, or you can't read properly, one of the two.
I'm happy with how the thread is going thanks lol

EDIT
What mistake oh wise one?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I gave a pass to medical conditions including mental health.
It is as simple as energy in-energy out though. Where was the last fat person you saw in a famine?

I am not talking about mental illness I am talking about peoples psychological connection with food.

Also we are not living in some starved African nation, I am literally two minutes walk away from two fast food places, there are lots of social aspects to obesity that you just don't seem to be grasping.

a reply to: testingtesting

I am 5'6 130lb I find that I need 1700 calories a day at minimum. I have a fit muscular body. I exercise a few days a week and can dead lift more than I weigh. 146lb.

That's 1700 X 30 = 51000 calories a month.

I can buy more nutritional calories than that on just $100.

I have been doing it for over 7 years now.

And I am healthier today than I was when I started really paying attention to what I eat.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Dude I grasp them but you are making out like all fat people are victims of society now.
There is no such thing as lazy any more, just victims of antibiotics as a child and temptations of crap food everywhere.
If someone wants to lose weight enough they'll do it. I recently gave up smoking and I'm craving right now lol, but I'm not making out I'm a victim of smoke adverts when I was younger or that they are on sale everywhere...but then I take responsibility for my own life.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: purplemer

I've answered you and said that if someone who is fat because of antibiotics as a child changed their diet appropriately and used more energy than they take in then they would lose weight.
Nothing more to add really, it's a fact.
...unless you wanna say in it's most basic form I am incorrect?

Obesity is complex issue. You seem to have problems understanding that. An more empowering answer would be. Lets address the issues that cause microbial changes in gut flora and address the problems have with stomach biota.

But no. You are just like eat less. Why dont you address the issues of your own unhealthy diet. I really dont want to pay for your ignorance out of my pocket when you end up in the hospital with heart disease or cancer.

Yes the two biggest killers in the UK are related to diet. Stop pointing the finger and address yourself

If you guys don't think I know how a person can keep healthy on just $100 a month check this man out.

www.sherdog.com...#!

That guy is my height, my weight, and my body type.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Dude I grasp them but you are making out like all fat people are victims of society now.

I don't think you do because you seem to think that its just as easy as everybody eat a little less and exercise a little more and believe me if it was that simple we would have cured obesity a long time ago. The truth is that there are some much more complex social factors that come into play with obesity and there are also some biological factors that also play a role that are not yet fully understood.

Additionally I am not saying they are victims I am just trying to offer up some other explanations for why people are obese.

There is no such thing as lazy any more

Nobody is saying that, stop chucking your toys of the pram because people who know more about this than you do disagree with your assessment of the issue. Just learn form it.

If someone wants to lose weight enough they'll do it.

The statistics disagree, most people go on a diet because they want to lose weight and they fail, they try multiple times and they fail.

Now sure thats not sure of everyone, I used to be a big guy and lost quite a bit of weight now am a rather fit chap, however take it from me its not as simple as eat less diet more. What you are talking about is actually a whole life style change there is so much more to it than what you are saying.

a reply to: purplemer

A bag of rice is not going to keep you going son.

And yet it does.

This guy is built like me same weight same height. I look like this by eating rice and beans.

a reply to: purplemer

Microbrial issues are historical now so addressing them would be looking at fat people of the future, prevention if you like, and yes I would support such research of course.
This thread is not about future research though, it IS about Poor people in the UK can't eat healthy in the UK because...
So, can we get back on topic please, I've said I will read more about the claims you've raised, but right now I'd like to discuss the topic specifically poor people and eating healthy.

And you keep banging on about my unhealthy diet, I asked earlier, wtf is unhealthy about what I ate as referenced in the OP?
My diet doesn't make me fat and cause blocked arteries, diabetes etc etc.

a reply to: purplemer

A bag of rice is not going to keep you going son. I hope you are adleast eating brown or red rice. That white rice is just emptly calories. Try packing 15 different veg a day and beans. Then you are starting to eat a good diet.

And yet eating this way has me in the best shape of my life.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Well done for being in good shape

One needs to know their own calorie burn on active and non active days

A quick google shows in the U.K. for men it’s 2,500 but that figure is far to high for many who are even active a fair bit let alone sitting down at work all day on a computer

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

it IS about Poor people in the UK can't eat healthy in the UK because...

And you have been given a number of reasons for that.

Poor education.
Fast food advertisements.
sugar addiction.
lack of availability of fresh foods.
convenience foods.
proliferation of fast food chains.
cost considerations.
time restraints.
laziness.
lack of exercise.
and yes..... use of antibiotics in children.

There are probably loads of other factors that could be added to that list.

The point is that its much more than because they can't be bothered eating healthy and exercising.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Bottom line is take in less energy than you burn and you will always lose weight.
Yeah I get ya, complex psychological issues, they're all victims of modern society...it almost breaks my heart.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

And yet eating this way has me in the best shape of my life.

I am glad you for

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Bottom line is take in less energy than you burn and you will always lose weight.
Yeah I get ya, complex psychological issues, they're all victims of modern society...it almost breaks my heart.

Yes complex psychological issues are medical in nature. Do you really want to keep judging people for being unwell.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Bottom line is take in less energy than you burn and you will always lose weight.
Yeah I get ya, complex psychological issues, they're all victims of modern society...it almost breaks my heart.

Not he bottom line is that you're just not seeing it as the complex issue that it is.

Kind of unfortunate because this is a really interesting topic yet you as the OP seem to be unwilling to see it for the complex issue that it is.

This isn't about calling anyone victims, its just that there is a lot more going on that contributes to people being obese than simply eating too much.

Do you get this annoyed by smokers?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Bottom line is take in less energy than you burn and you will always lose weight.
Yeah I get ya, complex psychological issues, they're all victims of modern society...it almost breaks my heart.

Bottom line get yourself on a plant based diet and avoid heart disease and reduce your risk of cancer. Can you not control what goes into you mouth or are you too uneducated to understand the difference diet can make to your body.