Jewish Organizations Oppose Stifling Criticism of Israel

a reply to: LiberateEarth

Thank you for your post. Truth is such a wonderful thing.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

If the shoe fits! I know several from the middle east and they all agree Isreal is the trouble maker of the middle east,get away literally with murder,a country owned by the Rothchild's bought and paid for in late 1800's,from the Ottoman empire,only country that doesn't have to let their nucleur weapons be checked,can it get any more obvious,they are the scourge of middle east

a reply to: myselfaswell

Yes, it is!

I have learned quite a bit from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's point of view in that article. The questions put to him are questions I've had in my mind for years and years but couldn't get straight answers for them.

That's what we all want, I guess—straight answers.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth
a reply to: myselfaswell
I have learned quite a bit from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's point of view in that article.

Here is another passage that I think is very important:

You are a U.S. citizen and a Jewish person, so what was your reaction to President Donal [sic] Trump’s decision to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? Was it the right decision?

Mr. Trump is my president and it is his decision. That said, his statement that he is doing so because Jerusalem is the “eternal capital of the Jewish people” puts his decision beyond the realm of politics and into the realm of Judaic studies. And he is incorrect about that. Jerusalem is a holy city – not a political capital city, to the Jewish people. Two reasons: One, practitioners of a religion don’t have capitals – countries do. And the Jewish people are not a country. When King David made Jerusalem his capital, it wasn’t the capital of the Jews – it was the capital of David’s citizens. Non-Jews living in David’s country would have Jerusalem as their capital as well as the Jews; and a Jew living outside of David’s country would not have Jerusalem as their capital. Jews as Jews never had a capital. Second, even if Jerusalem would be the capital of the Jews, that does not mean that therefore it should be the capital of Israel. Israel is not the Jews.

ahtribune.com...

a reply to: LiberateEarth

I just read that before on another site. It's a pretty solid rebuttal of Trumps decision, from a Rabbi that's a Republican.

One other point that should be noted about Trumps decision is that the US, by survey of American Jews, was split 60/40 against moving the embassy. So I can only conclude my original point of Trump pandering to evangelicals is true.

I'm obliged to provide a link to that statistic so here is one of many.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth
a reply to: myselfaswell
I have learned quite a bit from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's point of view in that article.

In the article, Rabbi Shapiro was asked about a June 3, 2018 Torah Jewry Against Zionism convention at Nassau Coliseum.

Apparently, this is he speaking on that day:

Adrenaline Video
Published on Jun 6, 2018

Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro speaks at the Nassau Coliseum just before the start of the convention of Torah Jewry Against Zionism on Sunday, June 3, 2018. More than 15,000 Jews attended the event.
Adrenaline Video Productions for True Torah Jews

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a reply to: LiberateEarth

Makes sense to me. I thought his closing line of "Israel protects the Jews, it's all bogus" was particularly telling.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth

originally posted by: chr0naut
There are more than 22 references, restating that God has specifically chosen the Jews, in the Old Testament.

Well, in my opinion, God is the God of the entire cosmos, and doesn't have a religion.

All that is originates from that same source.

Yes God is the God of the entire cosmos. That is clear from the Bible. There is no other true God.

Judaism was one of very few early monotheistic faiths. It's monotheism is based upon revelation from God Himself.

God may not have a religion, but it doesn't follow that our experience of the true cosmic God would be anything but religious.

Nor can you claim that you can 'irreligiously' believe in a cosmic God and also fulfill your purpose and destiny for which you obviously must, therefore, have been created.

originally posted by: chr0naut
God may not have a religion, but it doesn't follow that our experience of the true cosmic God would be anything but religious.

I understand what you're saying.

But the problem I have with religion is organized religion in society, where religious institutions have power over people, because of the fear which is part of the human condition, and therefore leaders within these institutions can be wolves in sheep's clothing.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

My personal perspective is slightly worse than that.

I utterly despise organised religion and all other cults. And they should Crownaught.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: LiberateEarth

. . . Crownaught.

I've never seen that word before, and a search didn't help.

?

a reply to: LiberateEarth

Crownaught

It is a play on words. Lets see if you can work it out? It's all in this thread.

a reply to: myselfaswell

I see.

It's nothing to do with "crown," which is how I was pronouncing it.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

Cool, nice one.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: LiberateEarth
I utterly despise organised religion and all other cults.

I can tell you that when I was a child, I was very afraid for myself and my younger siblings (not my older siblings, though) that we not go to hell if we were to die.

Religion was a huge negative in my life, and getting over it is a huge plus.

Now I just appreciate the wonder and majesty of the cosmos, and try to play a part in uncovering lies for the good of us all.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

Religion was a huge negative in my life, and getting over it is a huge plus.

I am glad for you.

For me and my history, yeah I was brought up in a very staunch catholic family, it was #ed. But like you I did get over it and I "try to play a part in uncovering lies for the good of us all."

Much respect LiberateEarth.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
For me and my history, yeah I was brought up in a very staunch catholic family, it was #ed.

I have heard the term "recovering catholic" from my cousin's wife.

I bet a lot of us have stories to tell about religion in our childhood!

a reply to: LiberateEarth

I bet a lot of us have stories to tell about religion in our childhood

I shudder to think. And still it continues ad nauseam.

I think another thing that needs to be pointed out is the first of three definitions of "Semite":

1. A member of any of the peoples speaking a Semitic language, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Hebrews, Phoenicians, and many of the peoples of Ethiopia.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

In my opinion, the idea that is pushed that "anti-Semitic" is being against Jews is an oxymoron.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

Try to imagine being a pubescent child knowing the world was going to end in 1975. That was terrifying.