James Gunn fired as 'Guardians of the Galaxy 3' director after 'indefensible' tweets resurface

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Oh yeah - selective judgement is far healthier.
It's just stunning hypocrisy to see liberals coming to defence of this guy because all of a sudden 'words don't matter'.
Whilst I agree that he should not be labelled a pedo - though he is clearly sick in the head - it's still unbelievable to see liberals springing to his defence given the bile they have been spitting for so long when ANYONE says a damn thing they don't like.

Agreed, the Hypocrisy is astounding.

As I have said, im a centrist, I find it appalling that people on either side go after people like this and tries to destroy their livelihood , all on the premise they said something they didnt like. Not because they actually physically DID
anything.

I hope people just remember when they start pushing down this road, that eventually it will come after them.

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
a reply to: AutisticEvo

if you want to stand your ground, ANY OF YOU, in this thread with me you need to QUOTE a line from his pedo tweets and explain how thats funny in in a dark humored way. otherwise you might as well throw in the towel

Theres nothing to throw the towel in on, just because you dont think its funny doesnt mean he should be fired, or called a pedophile all over the internet and in media.

That makes the people doing it wrong, not Gunn.

Just because you find something unfunny doesnt make it a crime.
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you missed my response to irish.
yeah firing him over something a decade ago was lame, they should of defended him for all the work hes done for them. however its a PR issue so its in the moral gray area what they did.

and yes even though those tweets make me look at him sideways I dont jump the gun and label him a pedophile. all those doing so are jumping to conclusions, no matter how distasteful they find his tweets or feel suspicious of a man for saying such things, outright accusing someone of pedophilia is not ok.


as for your final point, your right, its not a crime just because I think its vile to make humor of such matters.

I agree with the three points I quoted, I am here to establish good reason for the public outrage and establish the viewpoint of Parents and Victims, as their reaction and accusations are, at least Culturally speaking, warranted if a bit misguided.

a reply to: AutisticEvo

Parents and Victims, as their reaction and accusations are, at least Culturally speaking, warranted if a bit misguided.

Thats just it, there are no victims of Gunn, there is absolutely no evidence that Gunn has ever done anything like that.

Therefore that outrage is just a personal morality issue, not based on anything real.

How many of these people watch Family Guy every week and laugh at the Old Pedophile next door? Or give that a pass? Why arent they going after those writers? They have written infinitely more pedophile jokes than Gunn ever did.


Reason?

Faux Outrage based on political persuasion because Gunn pissed them off when he went after Trump and Shapiro.

Ill add Shapiro came out against the firing of Gunn as well, in fact, most people with any common sense did.

Its only the politically aligned that want a "Gotcha" that are pushing this so hard

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
a reply to: AutisticEvo

Facts are Established when represented in a debate. the Onus is on you to prove you have a wife and boss whos black and that your not some seventeen year old virgin - FACT

Funnily enough No facts are being presented that prove is a creepy pedophile and should be fired, yet those seem to be the accusations.

And my wife and children are not the SUBJECT of this thread, they were used to make a point. And you can bet Im not going to post their information on a website with the vast array of questionable people on it.

You seem to have a hard time with the definition of FACT.

1. He made creepy pedophile comments... a lot of them
2. then you cant use your family "ties" as an argument against being racist as that is not an argument that can be confirmed that is a deflective tactic that is akin to saying "because god made it so"
you cant use something to make a point without establishing that it actually exists.
it was a bad way to make a point for these reasons as it has no basis in "Fact"

you seem to have an issue understanding how to make a GOOD DEBATE on issues.

"I just had my whole tribe look at this, yup we all agree you are totally off and dont know what your talking about"
see how that works?

originally posted by: AutisticEvo
those kind of jokes have never been publicly acceptable, because you dont ridicule or make light of the INNOCENT being VIOLATED...

Except nobody was 'violated'. Well, other than your sensibilities.

It wasn't like he was using real world references and actual scenarios like how he raped his nephew Jimmy or the little neighbor girl who wandered into his yard.

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
How many of these people watch Family Guy every week and laugh at the Old Pedophile next door? Or give that a pass? Why arent they going after those writers? They have written infinitely more pedophile jokes than Gunn ever did.

Or Quagmire and his rapey jokes.

a reply to: AutisticEvo

you seem to have an issue understanding how to make a GOOD DEBATE on issues.

How ironic the person thats continue trying to make personal insults, is telling ME that I dont know how to debate lol.

You sure think a lot of yourself.

Ive made my case and its rock solid.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AutisticEvo
those kind of jokes have never been publicly acceptable, because you dont ridicule or make light of the INNOCENT being VIOLATED...

Except nobody was 'violated'. Well, other than your sensibilities.

It wasn't like he was using real world references and actual scenarios like how he raped his nephew Jimmy or the little neighbor girl who wandered into his yard.

he was talking about VIOLATING kids.
thats not something thats socially acceptable to talk about.

try again

originally posted by: AutisticEvo

he was talking about VIOLATING kids.

Which ones? What were their names?

Oh, and I ate a baby this morning.

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
a reply to: AutisticEvo

you seem to have an issue understanding how to make a GOOD DEBATE on issues.

How ironic the person thats continue trying to make personal insults, is telling ME that I dont know how to debate lol.

You sure think a lot of yourself.

Ive made my case and its rock solid.

Not a personal insult, just an observation from someone that actually knows Debate.

you sure are starting to sound like you are getting personal about this.

you never had a case, which is why no one has yet agreed with you defending making racial slurs by pulling your quote "WIFES" unquote RACECARD.

your analogy failed, following most of your defense,
excepting what in response to your statement about "Personal" morality can only be established that by the for or against responses in this thread you are in the minority of people that think this is a non issue he was "wronged" for.

as for the racial argument, let me clarify that just because back when you said the slur one would argue that does make you a bit racist at the time, it is not meant to be read beyond that.
people change, they experience and grow wiser(sometimes)

I merely intended to argue your point as being flawed in a way, because what establishes someone as racist socially has a different standard from person to person. and I believe I made my point clearly on that, which was all that was intended.

I am not accusing you of racism so much as I am saying that what you did was "racist" and would get most people fired from their job in order to protect a businesses reputation.

plus, I dont think using people that are not YOU to defend YOUR viewpoint is anything but an empty defense, it would have made more sense had you explained the context from the get go and then how you REALLY feel.

using others to defend "who you are inside" is fallible in its foundation as it amounts to "HIding" behind them so THEY can either make or BE an excuse for you.

your wife can sing from the highest mountains how great you are, but thats just someones opinion and does not give you any more credibility in a discussion. thats on you

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AutisticEvo

he was talking about VIOLATING kids.

Which ones? What were their names?

Oh, and I ate a baby this morning.

here is one

James Gunn and his friend Lloyd Kaufman joked about masturbating to a then-underage Justin Bieber.

and this

Watching Trapped in the Closet, R Kelly’s second best video after the one where he urinates on a child.” (Archive)

without going further one hit piece about a video called "100 prepubescent girls touch themselves"

Huston Huddleston posted this video on my Facebook page with the note “I thought you’d appreciate this.” My response: “Appreciate it?!! I just came all over my face!!”
won’t click on that link, as Huston Huddleston was convicted of child pornography charges.

Huston Huddleston, CEO of New Starship Foundation LLC and the man behind the rescue and restoration of the exhibitor’s version of Enterprise bridge set from Star Trek: The Next Generation, has been arrested on three counts related to child pornography. The accusation arise from an alleged series of encounters with an underage girl on or around September 1, 2013. Huddleston was arrested March 24, 2018 on three charges, all related to possession of child pornography, enticing a minor to participate in it, and intent to commit a felony with a minor. His first court date was on June 12, 2018, where bail was set at $750,000. A second court date is set for June 20, at which the jury trial will commence. Huddleston has plead “not guilty” to all three charges. At worst Gunn shared child pornography. At “best,” he is close friends with pedophile.

source www.cernovich.com...

next time you want to claim he was just making believing kids to have sex with, verify your information so those of us who contribute here dont have to waste our time helping you put your foot in your mouth.


your done, I am putting a fork in this.

Yes

We love loving watching them defend little pedo boys...

a reply to: AutisticEvo


I'm devastated to know he disparaged the Beebs.

Yes

The pedovores are ripe...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey if someone's 4 kids under 12 years old were kidnapped and last seen on some boat across the ocean and the parents said "the worst part is we don't know where they are and what is or has been done to them"
My dark humored a#hole self would probably tell them after having a couple beers this.

" Ohid say you got a fifty fifty. They are either sewing clothes in some childhood slave sweatshop or they have been sold into the child sex trafficking ring. They probably all #ed up now."

That's dark, and a joke, and that's pushing humor to the limit, but in alot of ways that's not funny, and if every parent in the room told me to Shut the F up and punched me in the face I would understand it was distasteful and so even though they took their offense to the line that reads "kinda overboard bruh" it was also not unexpected so I shouldny of said that no matter how I meant it.


He went way past acceptable norms in alot of his tweets and most of the things he said are posted in a context that not only leaves the mark light-years behind but 90% of them have no context that implies humor at all but instead shows excitemental commentary that is questionable to the highest level of WTF to anyone that doesn't "personally, deeply, understand him on a level that society is not ready for the humor of"

That's not gonna fly. I don't think he deserves to be ostrasized, except in jobs that would leave him unsupervised with children

If you want those vulnerable to be comfortable in your presence, you don't joke about how good it would feel to take advantage of their vulnerable state.

Child sex trafficking is a major issue worldwide, and if you want I can post links to documentation involving governments worldwide covering it up because those who "pay" to screw kids are usually those that have wealth or are in power and if allowed to be indicted the whole deck falls down like fifty two pickup

Child trafficking is a much larger threat to the world than Terrorism and the Drug Trade.

It has never been, and never will be "Funny".

If you need a link to see what I am talking about. Just ask.

a reply to: AutisticEvo

I can see where you are coming from with your post.


Where is he unsupervised with children as a movie director? At any given time there are multiple cast and crew on site with any shoot.
I can agree with you, if there are children in the film, it might be in Disney's interest to have a handler on site. I would even go so far as to say if they want someone there for any conversation between director and child actor, I would agree. As I would for any director.

Just to bring it to the thread's attention, there is a petition with close to 250,000 signatures to reinstate Mr. Gunn as Director for GOTG 3. I will not link to the petition (I think it's against site rules) But here is an article about it, from when it was at 50k signatures.
ew.com...

a reply to: AutisticEvo

So, in your opinion, even though he apologised and explained he was stupid and trying to be provocative with his tweets, no matter what, he is never to be forgiven?

Also, have you ever worked with people who deal with trauma day in and day out?

They make some very, VERY black humour jokes. A close friend who is a policeman had to help remove a body of a woman who had jumped in front of a train. As the 3 officers picked her up, she fell apart and they were all holding pieces.

They started to laugh.

My friend told me it wasn't because it was funny. It was because it was so shocking, in a shocking situation, that's how their brains coped with the shock and horror. When they tell that story, and others, it's laced with tongue-in-cheek humour. It isn't because they actually find it funny. It's a coping mechanism.

Tell me -- are they bad people for laughing? Should they lose their jobs? Should they be fired in 5 years time?

Now it looks like they're going after Dan Harmon for a skit he took part in 10 years ago. As a result Harmon has completely left Twitter.

a reply to: AutisticEvo


So we're back to what you find funny vis a vis other people, i.e. an opinion.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: InTheLight

You are right, Disney has the right to fire any employee for any reason.

My anger is directed a the people passing judgment on him for something he "tweeted" a decade ago, then when it finally came to light he didn't hide from it he admitted things and didn't blame Nyquil, or Ambien and got fired for his troubles.

Sometimes I like some of what Cernovich digs up, this though is bad juju both sets of wackadoos (right and left) are now going to dig into everyone's twitter past since Disney has now shown something said years ago can get you fired today.

I am glad I never got into twitter, this is going to get ugly in my opinion; but the bottom line will be an assault on the freedom of speech.

I don't think there is or will be a general assault on the freedom of speech rather most of know that Disney has always claimed to hold a higher moral ground since inception, so, to me, this is business as usual in Disneyland.