Trans rights activists turning on feminists

There are only 2 genders. Male and Female. If a man cant recognize his own penis then he must be blind, otherwise hes just a deluded maniac. its as absurd as saying your knees are your elbows because that's what it feels like.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
There have always been fights with TERF'S (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) and Trans people

Because basically it's men beating up on women no matter how much they disguise themselves in dresses and pretend otherwise. Radical feminists can recognize this when they aren't blinded to it by their hatred of the religious who've been telling them they should pay attention to this.

So more or less, you have Feminists and Lesbians in Britain making many of the same arguments American conservatives did and getting the same treatment we did.

This is what happens when people do not realize the ramifications of their actions.

There is a lot of people not realizing the ramifications of their actions right now.

What confuses me, is if I thought I was a woman, decided to get my bits rearranged as needed and live as one. Why would I tell anyone I was trans or a man to begin with? I wouldn't. I'd just throw on some lippy and a skirt and go about my day.
If the surgery and drug treatments worked to the intended effect then nobody would know unless I told them surely?

Is the problem here that many trans people are making a song and dance that they are trans?
Pointing it out to everyone?

Same for many gays and people with other lifestyle choices or who were born that way or whatever.

Me being a heterosexual male of Caucasian appearance isn't an issue, well to sane people that is, because I don't feel the need to point it out every 5 minutes.
It's pretty obvious what I am, people have eyes. As for my sex life, that's my business and nobody else's.

If I ran through the streets, informing everyone "I am a white straight male who has sex with women only." and expected special treatment due to my biology that is beyond my control?
How quickly would that become annoying do you think?

So why would it be any less annoying when anyone else did it.

Maybe the solution here is instead of chasing the spotlight and being attention whores, peoples should maybe avoid the spotlight?

Be like me choosing to cut off my own arms then bitching that I cannot hold or open a beer.
Actions have consequences. You make decisions you need to live with the outcome. You cannot expect the majority of the planet to just automatically accept it and like it because you want them to.
It's not how reality works.

Wonder if we'll next see men protesting women who are trans for taking our identities. "Unless you can get testicular cancer you cannot say you're a man!!!!"

I think when supposed adults cannot see the problem here, you cannot think of them as not being mentally ill.
No sane person I feel would be okay with a biological adult male or female using the same facilities like toilets and change rooms as children.
Anyone who ignores the rights of kids over their own selfish greedy needs has a real problem imho.

And I do notice a lack of discussion regarding female to male transgender issues and it's impact on society, outside of sports that is...... Again we're focused on Men being the sole problem as usual.

I dunno. Just frustrating me that these sort of things make me feel like we're going backwards as a species instead of forward.
Where the hell did we go so wrong as a species. Because looking at the rest of the animal kingdom it is just us who doesn't seem to know how to be, or chooses to ignore, what we are.

Maybe intelligence is an actual disability?

I believe in equal pay but I don't want to be lumped in with angry purple haired women.

I self identify as an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank.

I want my certificate please. And also my own bathroom.

I strongly identify myself as a trans-cat, so I'm lobbying government to install public restrooms with little cat door access, and plenty of fresh, scented, clumping litter-boxes! Which are emptied 3 times a day, at least!

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
What confuses me, is if I thought I was a woman, decided to get my bits rearranged as needed and live as one. Why would I tell anyone I was trans or a man to begin with? I wouldn't. I'd just throw on some lippy and a skirt and go about my day.
If the surgery and drug treatments worked to the intended effect then nobody would know unless I told them surely?

That would be the correct thing to do, and nobody would care. Personally I think

in most cases you can tell in my head they have masculine features that cannot

be disguised and they use female mannerisms too little or too much and always

huge feet.

But you're right all ^^ that ^^ would be in my head, but I would treat them with

respect.

Is the problem here that many trans people are making a song and dance that they are trans?
Pointing it out to everyone?

They seem to have a *special* gene and feel the need to keep pointing out how special they are.

Same for many gays and people with other lifestyle choices or who were born that way or whatever.

I dont care what other people do with their lives as long as they dont infringe in

mine.

However I think the use these days of the word *partner* is better..... as a man

who says wait till I introduce my wife who you find out is another man (or any

other mix of gender) It can be...... NO IT IS very confusing.

Me being a heterosexual male of Caucasian appearance isn't an issue, well to sane people that is, because I don't feel the need to point it out every 5 minutes.
It's pretty obvious what I am, people have eyes. As for my sex life, that's my business and nobody else's.
If I ran through the streets, informing everyone "I am a white straight male who has sex with women only." and expected special treatment due to my biology that is beyond my control?
How quickly would that become annoying do you think?

Now you have frazzled my brain!!!!

Hot a pleasant picture......

Wonder if we'll next see men protesting women who are trans for taking our identities. "Unless you can get testicular cancer you cannot say you're a man!!!!"

You'd need balls to say that !!

originally posted by: turbonium1
I strongly identify myself as a trans-cat, so I'm lobbying government to install public restrooms with little cat door access, and plenty of fresh, scented, clumping litter-boxes! Which are emptied 3 times a day, at least!

Perfect example to point out the ludicrous nature of "Identity Rights".

I too am a trans cat, if as an un nuetered male if I don't like what I smell if I am in line behind you I demand the right to spray the corners and walls and poop in the sink or bathtub

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

If I ran through the streets, informing everyone "I am a white straight male who has sex with women only." and expected special treatment due to my biology that is beyond my control?
How quickly would that become annoying do you think?

That's the problem. For the so-called activists, they claim all of society is doing this whether it really is or not. They never think to ask us what's going on.

It's the same song and dance you get from POC. All of culture is "white" culture although none of us who are white have ever been raised to think of it that way.

Feminist campaigner Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans, who has written a book on transgender children, told the news outlet that she was “absolutely shocked at the level of vitriol and the level of silencing”being attempted by the trans activists.“Even asking for a discussion is considered transphobic," she said.

"I don't like being on a stairwell where I'm frightened that I'm going to be pushed down by a man in a balaclava and a mask, who's telling me that he is a woman and that if I don't accept that, I'm a Nazi - it's extremely frightening," she added.

Once you help make it acceptable to devalue other people and their opinions through vital and labeling them Nazi or xphobic simply because you do not agree with them than you can't be "absolutely shocked" when those same tactics are used on you.

More and more of these types of stories are popping up. It had been a running theme in New York local primary races the last two years; some liberal candidate complaining he or she where being wrongfully labeled as "Nazi" or "racist" or "sexiest" by their also liberal opponents. They would act all butt hurt that this was happening to them; they be like "come on guys; I thought we only do this to Republicans, gosh I'm absolutely shocked".

originally posted by: ketsuko
It's the same song and dance you get from POC. All of culture is "white" culture although none of us who are white have ever been raised to think of it that way.

Not to mention that there isnt one monolithic "white culture" ... that's the part of the arguments, jokes and satire I dont understand. I rearly identify with the "white culture" being discussed when the topic comes up; it's like all minority activities think we're all dependents from the guys who came over on the Mayflower or something.

a reply to: Gothmog

Simple rule , if its made from Tartan textile then its a kilt anything else is a dress or a skirt !

people forget this rule , you cannae call it a Kilt unless its made from Tartan!

many americans wear " utili-kilts " but they are not Kilts because they arent made from Tartan

I regularly like to wind my mate up who moved from Scotland to Texas and he likes to wear "utility skirts" because they arent made from Tartan

originally posted by: trollz

Proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) which would make transitioning from one gender to another easier have put feminist groups at odds with transgender rights organizations

Trans rights campaigners want to make that process less difficult by introducing the concept of ‘self-identification’ which would essentially allow them to obtain the certificate just by self-identifying as one gender

some feminist groups are vehemently against the plan and say that a self-identification law could be abused and could even put women at risk if any person could enter a women-only space and claim to be a woman.

Feminist campaigner Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans, who has written a book on transgender children, told the news outlet that she was “absolutely shocked at the level of vitriol and the level of silencing” ... “Even asking for a discussion is considered transphobic,"
Source

So, long story short... Trans rights activists want to change the current laws to allow for someone to be assigned a gender based on nothing more than the person claiming to be that gender. Some feminist groups are obviously concerned about this because they know that it's simply making it much easier for men to claim to be women just so they can legally walk into female changing rooms and bathrooms and other such spaces only to indulge in perversions and harassment, or even actual sexual attacks.
The irony here though is the way feminist groups expressing concern about this topic are being treated - with threats, hatred, accusations of "transphobia" and being "Nazis", and attempts to silence them by any means.

Despair not, though - I think I may just have a solution to this entire mess, albeit perhaps particularly radical and maybe even a bit extreme:
If you're born a biological male, you're a male. If you're born a biological female, you're a female.

Obtaining the certificate does not seem too much effort, that is, if one is really serious about living life as a woman, and it really does seem to be all about ensuring safety and privacy.

Current law requires a doctor’s diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that the person has lived as their preferred gender for two years and has been assessed by a panel of medical experts. A person also has to pay around £140 before they can obtain a gender recognition certificate.

But some of the feminist campaigners say their fight has nothing to do with denying the existence of trans people or denying them rights. One campaigner, Dr Nicola Williams, told Sky that she had “no problem” with trans people living as their preferred gender and that “gender dysphoria is real” but said that there are still times when “biological sex does matter for safeguarding, privacy and dignity, fairness in sports for example, and that's when the sex of a person must be acknowledged.” In June, James Palmer, an NHS health boss, said the UK must be prepared for transgender numbers to “accelerate” significantly and that it’s a “good thing” that younger people are feeling more comfortable coming forward and seeking help and advice.

a reply to: InTheLight

Ensuring safety and privacy for whom though?

They don't want to feel uncomfortable and unsafe, but they don't stop to think about all the women and girls who now feel uncomfortable and unsafe because of their presence in what used to be a private, female-only space.

As much as they *think* they're woman, that reality (especially before they have transition surgery) exists only in their mental headspace. For everyone else, there is still physical male existing in their tangible reality and in their formerly female only space.

Study the history of feminism for a while, and you will realize that one of the major struggles was to secure private, secure female only spaces like female only bathrooms and changing rooms which are now being obliterated in favor of men who say they feel like women (but don't necessarily want to be made to look like physical women).

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: InTheLight

Ensuring safety and privacy for whom though?

They don't want to feel uncomfortable and unsafe, but they don't stop to think about all the women and girls who know feel uncomfortable and unsafe because of their presence in what used to be a private, female-only space.

As much as they *think* they're woman, that reality (especially before they have transition surgery) exists only in their mental headspace. For everyone else, there is still physical male existing in their tangible reality and in their formerly female only space.

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Undiagnosed or Untreated Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis and treatment are important. People with gender dysphoria have higher rates of mental health conditions. Some estimates say that 71% of people with gender dysphoria will have some other mental health diagnosis in their lifetime. That includes mood disorders, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, depression, substance abuse, eating disorders, and suicide attempts.

www.webmd.com...

I think it wise that all people with this dysphoria be seen and treated by doctors in various ways for the benefit of everyone.

I am with the feminists on this issue. If someone wishes to legally identify as the gender (there are only two) they were not born as, then they should undergo professional psychological examinations. Not only for the protection of others, but for the protection of themselves too. It should never be, under any circumstances, be as simple as ticking a box on a form to legally change gender.

*No one persons rights should ever supersede that of another's*

We should all be free to disagree without the sledgehammer of pc coming

down on us

This whole thing is getting out of hand ..... I mentioned Dr David Mackereth

in an earlier post who lost his 26 years career because he would not bow down

political correctness

The following are some points from an interview given by him.......

His strong opinions on one of the most divisive issues of our times are

he insists not the only issue here, What is also at stake is our right to say

what we think without being pilloried or risking our jobs. It is not a question

of whether we agree or disagree but whether we are FREE to say so.

We must be able to say what we think and say what we believe,

Otherwise we will turn into a dictatorial state. Given the censorious age in

which anyone who dares to deviate from the fashionable consensus

that gender is a social construct and not a biological fact risks being demonised.


Since transgender rights have come to the forefront of public discourse he

says among NHS colleagues a climate of fear has emerged regarding new

protocols.

Doctors are now advised by the BMA to use the term *pregnant people* to

avoid causing offence to trans individuals.There is a belief we cannot say

what we think in case we get accused of harassment.

Nurses are coming across patients with male genitalia in female wards

have whispered to me that the situation is wrong.

His personal belief is that once same sex marriage became legal, attention

was turned to the next gender related issue. Suddenly transgender issues

became *British values*


He is adamant that transgender people are themselves victims of a darker

agenda of global forces seeking to obliterate gender differences altogether.


If we cannot call pregnant women *pregnant women* and must call them

people we have reached the stage of saying two plus two is five .... and

black is white.

He reveals in the course of his medical career he has knowingly only ever

treated one transgender patient, a female two years ago. This supports his

belief it is relatively rare.