It turns out that the Deep State is really real

It turns out that the conspiracy theory that says we have a shadowed, deep state pulling the strings from behind the curtains is actually real.

And before you partisan crazy heads start refuting this, no, I DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCES. If I had any I'd be dead by now. Suicided. With a shotgun blast behind my head.

I won't be calling any left or right wing at this point because I think WE ALL, THE PEOPLE, need to get united again against those who wants to harm the citizen of America and any other country. There's so much corruption and death going on right now, we can not be each other's enemy. Do you want your party to win or do you want to live in a fair and good world?

It amazes me that some people still can't see that something weird is going on with the world. Of course many here knew it already, the Deep State conspiracy isn't something new, but I felt obligated to write this thread because I was a little skeptical until this week, but now I'm not. I always thought, hey, maybe it's all an incredible coincidence:

The BREXIT
The War on Syria
ISIS
North Korea
IRAN
U1 deal
Russia
U.S. 2016 election

All of these items contributed some way or another for my awakening, when I started paying attention on these basics characters of the play:

1. Who creates the narrative and feed us with the information (MSM).
2. Who refutes the narrative (at this moment it's the POTUS)
3. Who goes along with the narrative (the previous administration, McCain, Schumer, Barack Obama, HRC, John O. Brennan, James Comey, Peter Strzok, among many others corrupts and criminals people who were or still are in any position of power.


A few readings that might allow you to see that these people are so scared of losing their power that they are starting to become desperate to push Fake News, creating and distorting evidences, and calling the extremists voters to act against Trump. They're basically trying to start a Civil War, since the #Impeachment and #NotMyPresident didn't worked really well.


If the MSM and the globalists are going nuts over Trump, then he might be the enemy of the Cabal?
Tell me this doesn't make sense to you and explain me why and I'll drop this idea if you can convince me.

This is desperation as its finest:

[Insert here the tweets Comey sent today 'cause I'm at work right now and can't embed them]

Senator Schumer Says Trump Is Weak, Disgraceful And a Pushover For Taking Putin's Word

CNN Analyst Philip Mudd: When Will ‘Shadow Government’ Rise Against Trump?






This is CNN headline today:




You don't believe me? Okay...



If you don't believe there's an Deep State here's a few questions for you:

a) Do you believe the MSM? (including CNN and FoxNews)

b) Do you believe that these people who spent 8 years being the most powerful government of the world haven't somehow managed to infiltrate in every intelligence agency to cover their crimes for them?

c) Or do you believe they haven't committed any crimes?


The current system is a pyramid. There is one individual who is running all of this. All of the characters in play right now are just puppets too.
Here's a good example:




All of the MSM follows the same script. Someone wants to control what you feel and how you feel about things.


I've been seeing on these past few days news outlets screaming TREASON on the Trump-Putin summit. Can anyone explain to me why two leaders of countries who were once at War, meeting for peacefully purposes, could possibly be considered treason?
Seems like these people want some more War to fill their pockets?


From TomLawless:

Why did the Hussein administration stand down when they found out about Russian meddling in 2016?

Ob ama's cybersecurity coordinator confirms Susan Rice ordered him to 'stand down' on Russian meddling

Where was the outrage when China and Russia hacked McCain and Obama?


Trump is doing a remarkable job at fixing the problems the last administration left, NK and Russia are no longer a nuclear threat (for now), ISIS is basically eradicated and people HATE HIM because of what? Because he express himself on Twitter? Because he's not an friendly face like Obama was?

I invite you to do as I did, leave aside the opinion you have on Trump that was pushed over by the MSM and start your own research on the things he's accomplishing that are benefiting YOUR country. I was once a Trump hater following the MSM narrative and spreading hate against him.

Please forget about Republicans and Democrats and think about the idea of the people uniting against those who doesn't want our benefit.

originally posted by: vinifalou

And before you partisan crazy heads start refuting this, no, I DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCES. If I had any I'd be dead by now. Suicided. With a shotgun blast behind my head.

I hate to tell you this, but you are really not that important in the greater scheme of things. It is unlikely that anyone cares that you have parroted what many people have said before. It's not exactly a new idea. So when you get your "evidences," please let us know.

The Globalists didn't wanted Trump to meet Putin because they know this is the start of a good relationship and that Putin is already fighting the Cabal. Trump just joined the boat and that's why they're desperate.

That's the reason the EU hates him and tries to make him look like a bad guy.

No matter what Trump had said in the meeting. He would still be crucified.

This was their headlines before the meeting even took place.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: vinifalou

And before you partisan crazy heads start refuting this, no, I DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCES. If I had any I'd be dead by now. Suicided. With a shotgun blast behind my head.

So when you get your "evidences," please let us know.

Will certainly do so.

Thanks and have a great day.

a reply to: vinifalou

Welcome to the 'REAL' world.....

a reply to: manuelram16

Thanks, it's been a great ride so far.

I'm a nutter too. The deep state is there, and is similar to that of a hydra.

Also, Trump is right-handed - he would never fire a gun with his left hand. Duh NY Daily "News"!!!

originally posted by: vinifalou
If you don't believe there's an Deep State here's a few questions for you:

a) Do you believe the MSM? (including CNN and FoxNews)

I don't need to out and out trust the MSM to know the Deep State isn't real. I just need logic and reasoning for that. Though, I will say that alternative news is FAR less trustworthy than MSM news.

But as for logic and reasoning, the logistics of a Deep State where the ENTIRE world (including written history) is against Trump is stupid. Sometimes a spade is a spade and the amount of mental gymnastics needed to jump through to come up with belief that the Deep State is real is just ridiculous. It's like an anti-vaxxer believing that EVERY doctor who ever went to medical school is in on a conspiracy to give vaccines to children to kill or maim them all for profits. The logic just doesn't pass the smell test as there HAS to be someone among all those doctors who joined because he wants to help people, and I'd wager that over 99% of those people fall into the category of wanting to help people.

b) Do you believe that these people who spent 8 years being the most powerful government of the world haven't somehow managed to infiltrate in every intelligence agency to cover their crimes for them?

Actually I think this is a pretty dumb thought to hold to begin with. This is just moving the goal posts because you can't come up with hard evidence that the Deep State is real, so instead you continue to assume guilt and just declare that all the agencies are working against Trump and lying. In other words, this is just an extension of your thought process of assuming guilt and requiring to prove innocence which isn't how our justice system operates.

c) Or do you believe they haven't committed any crimes?

Who is "they"? Everyone commits crime. From speeding to doing drugs and many other things. There are so many felonies on the books that it is near impossible to live your life (even actively trying to avoid breaking the law) without breaking the law.

To be honest, when you wrote:

I DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCES.

You should have stopped talking at that point since you just showed to the world (and yourself) that you don't know what's going on and are using your biases instead as evidence of guilt.

a reply to: vinifalou

There are none so blind as those who refuse
to see. The kaos, the fanaticism, the DENIAL!
The UNUNITED! I have never been so sure I'm witnessing the beginning of the end. Not to
mention the immorality, the shootings, the
homeless, the lying media, corruption, greed,
corporate facism, secularism and on and on.

"No empire is conquered from the outside
without first destroying itself from the
inside".

Will Durrant

I believe this is what's happing as we speak.

a reply to: six67seven


And Uncle Sam uses a red bow tie (redneck?). No white.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Who is "they"? Everyone commits crime.

There you lost ur credibility.

You should have stopped talking at that point since you just showed to the world (and yourself) that you don't know what's going on and are using your biases instead as evidence of guilt.

This is my OPINION. That's why it's on the mud-pit.

Talk about biases, huh... Right.

Move along then.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You dont believe it is real because you have internalized it. You really believe what you believe, there is no lie.

People that can run with it, make it far in life. Those that cant and just stare and point, get nowhere.

Consider yourself lucky.

what makes the mainstream media mainstream

The universities, for example, are not independent institutions. There may be independent people scattered around in them but that is true of the media as well. And it’s generally true of corporations. It’s true of Fascist states, for that matter. But the institution itself is parasitic. It’s dependent on outside sources of support and those sources of support, such as private wealth, big corporations with grants, and the government (which is so closely interlinked with corporate power you can barely distinguish them), they are essentially what the universities are in the middle of. People within them, who don’t adjust to that structure, who don’t accept it and internalize it (you can’t really work with it unless you internalize it, and believe it); people who don’t do that are likely to be weeded out along the way, starting from kindergarten, all the way up. There are all sorts of filtering devices to get rid of people who are a pain in the neck and think independently. Those of you who have been through college know that the educational system is very highly geared to rewarding conformity and obedience; if you don’t do that, you are a troublemaker. So, it is kind of a filtering device which ends up with people who really honestly (they aren’t lying) internalize the framework of belief and attitudes of the surrounding power system in the society. The elite institutions like, say, Harvard and Princeton and the small upscale colleges, for example, are very much geared to socialization. If you go through a place like Harvard, most of what goes on there is teaching manners; how to behave like a member of the upper classes, how to think the right thoughts, and so on.

If you’ve read George Orwell’s Animal Farm whichhe wrote in the mid-1940s, it was a satire on the Soviet Union, a totalitarian state. It was a big hit. Everybody loved it. Turns out he wrote an introduction to Animal Farm which was suppressed. It only appeared 30 years later. Someone had found it in his papers. The introduction to Animal Farm was about “Literary Censorship in England” and what it says is that obviously this book is ridiculing the Soviet Union and its totalitarian structure. But he said England is not all that different. We don’t have the KGB on our neck, but the end result comes out pretty much the same. People who have independent ideas or who think the wrong kind of thoughts are cut out.

a reply to: vinifalou

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originally posted by: vinifalou
There you lost ur credibility.

Coming from the guy who can't be bothered to type out "your" I'm not too worried how you feel about my credibility.

This is my OPINION. That's why it's on the mud-pit.

So? Opinions can and still should be backed up with tangential evidence. Especially if you are trying to convince others that your opinion is correct. It seems to me you are angry that I pushed back against your OP and are now trying to push me out of it. You made the claim that the Deep State is real and now with this recent post just told me I don't have credibility anymore yet you have no way of even proving your belief is real.

Talk about biases, huh... Right.

Move along then.

Case in point. Did you not put this thread into a discussion forum for discussion purposes? Or is there some unknown rule on the thread that I didn't read about where only people who agree with you are supposed to respond? Echo chamber only?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

All of this means nothing to me. Making up reasons in your head why I don't believe in the Deep State doesn't make you correct, nor does it prove the Deep State exists.

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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
this is just an extension of your thought process of assuming guilt and requiring to prove innocence which isn't how our justice system operates.

...then how in the wide world of sports can you sit here and support the Mueller Russian Collunsion investigation which has run for the past 14 months on nothing but presumption of guilt pending proof of innocence?

a reply to: vinifalou

Thank you for your well thought out post! Don't let others on here take away from what you just said. IMO, it would take a lot of "mental gymnastics needed to jump through" in order not to see that someone (SOMEONE) is running the show behind the scenes. And yes, some people may not believe that doctors would sell out, but they have along with archaeologists, astronauts, scientists, researchers, etc.

Anyway, keep on posting and trying to help people be aware. Thanks!

a reply to: vinifalou

I don't believe in the post-2016 notion of 'Deep State.' It's a fashionable term like saying 'groovy' in the 1960s or 'eat my shorts' in the 90s. The current 'deep state' is more partisan bull# depicting it as an extension of the Clintons and Democrats. When Trump's time is over, people will stop using it.

The apparatus of the military industrial complex combined with layers of Intel community will continue to outlast each POTUS regardless of which Party runs the Senate or Congress.

The 'surveillance state' has been growing since Echelon in the 1980s. Even there it wasn't a US partisan creation; it's been a program with UK, Canada, NZ and Australia participating. They've had Left, Right, Left, Right governments with America going Right at the same time they've gone Left - it isn't a partisan thing. Civilian telecomms traffic has been intercepted for decades and used politically whenever suitable. Nothing has changed, it's just gotten bigger and expanded into more countries and includes more individuals.

But yeah, Hillary huh?

Is someone really pulling every single string of every single part of every single day of every single person on our planet of 9 billion?
One controls one's own life.
If I leave work and money and politics out of the story, out of the conversation :
I swam in a river today, on a mountain,
I threw a rock,
I saw a rabbit in the bush,
I saw the sun set,
I put my shirt back on,
I walked a lot,
I had thoughts,
I went to bed.
I woke up.
Nobody stopped me.
Deep state may have control of those who wish to be controlled.
Don't be controlled.
Take a breath.



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