Putin Meeting Lifts the Veil?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: surfer_soul

That's on you, and everyone else, who can't be bothered to be involved.

We get precisely what we'll allow.

Can’t be bothered to be involved in what exactly? This BS political circus of left versus right? The classic divide and conquer strategy? People are so after one another’s throats they fail to see where the real danger is, masquerading as our benevolent governments and mouth piece media.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UKTruth

I don;t think his cabinet can impeach him.

They can. Actually. But I'm not counting on it.

Can they? Are you sure?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: toysforadults
Putin is actually the most powerful person ever in human history. He controls the US, Europe and Asia

this guy is amazing

That's what you can do when you are president for Life. Donald Trump has another good 20 years left in him. Let's allow him to be reelected as long as he feels up to it.

Thank you for owning your Fascism. If only more Trump supporters were this honest we would be done with him by now.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: DJW001

If you argue that NATO should not raise its contributions to long agreed amounts, yes you are arguing for continued military spending by the U.S. by simple default.

Please explain. Of course I expect all parties to meet their obligations. The US could actually cut their "defense spending" and still meet their NATO goals.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
That's a fair enough assessment, and pretty much where I was until I started considering the happenings of the week in whole. The fiasco of Strzok's hearing literally left me scratching my head. The Republicans were frustrated; that much was clearly evident, to the point of coming across as authoritarian. The Democrats were trying everything conceivable to stop or at least derail the hearing; several didn't even mention the bias issue in their speech, preferring to talk about DACA or crime or immigration. And of course, Strzok sat there with his smirk of superiority, almost as though he was there to prosecute Congress. That just made me start wondering what was really going on behind the scenes, since I do not subscribe to the "they're dumb" explanations.

Maybe they'd stop the meeting if they could. But it's not clear how that would happen. I don't think they feel they can stop the meeting, I don't think their plan is to stop it, so it's not really relevant. I don't think it's worth it to make a false flag or whatever people might insinuate they could be planning, just to stop it, because the meeting is mostly just optics.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
LOL, no, no, sorry if I gave the impression that was what I was expecting. I like James Bond movies, but I also realize they are a fantasy designed for public consumption.

I was actually thinking more along the lines that Trump could get some information or possibly concessions from Putin that would lead to further investigations. At the risk of further triggering some of the more... excitable?... posters in this thread, I consider Trump a pretty deft and intelligent negotiator, quite capable of accurately reading his opponent.

Ha, yeah sorry, I didn't mean you literally thought that, just exaggerating. Trump won't get anything like that though. I don't know about Trump, but Putin is a way better negotiator. And he has decades of experience at this. I'm pretty sure Putin has killed people with his own hands. He'd have to be pretty amateurish to leak something on a whim. But I guess he might do it if he wanted to make Trump like him even more. That'd be getting two birds with one stone; leaking a piece of information, and benefiting from the way it was leaked.

a reply to: Cutepants

Maybe they'd stop the meeting if they could. But it's not clear how that would happen. I don't think they feel they can stop the meeting, I don't think their plan is to stop it, so it's not really relevant.

Personally, I think this call to stop the meeting is mostly just panic.

A few years ago, my son came in with a pack of fries that he didn't want, so he handed them to me. As I was eating, I accidentally swallowed one whole, which caught in my throat and shut off my airway. I tried to cough it up, to no avail. In a blind panic I ran outside. We still don't know why I ran outside... people just panic when confronted with something potentially devastating.

Incidentally, I still joke with him about the time he tried to kill me with a french fry... and failed!

I don't know about Trump, but Putin is a way better negotiator. And he has decades of experience at this.

I'm not taking anything away from Putin; I'm sure he is a great negotiator. But so is Trump. It would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall to listen to them go back and forth.

I'm pretty sure Putin has killed people with his own hands. He'd have to be pretty amateurish to leak something on a whim.

Oh, no doubt! Putin is no Mother Teresa!

I really wasn't talking about an overt leak, though. Maybe when they discuss a certain subject, his body language changes. Maybe during the conversation he lets a word slip, Freudian-style. Maybe he makes a comment Trump knows is false. There are so many "tells" that people have, and someone like Trump made his fortune knowing them.

A battle of titans, if you will.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Trump met the Queen at met at Windsor Castle, not Buckingham Castle.

Eh, OK, if you say so. I've never been across the pond, so that is not my area of expertise.

They met a big, fancy residence in England where she lives lavishly off of the backs of the rest of the country wearing a crown that doesn't mean anything. How's that?

I strongly suspect that when Mueller finally unleashes what he has on Trump you are going to be horrified.

Perhaps. But I will point out that despite investigations into Trump and this supposed collusion that are rapidly approaching two years now, not one scintilla of evidence has been found implicating Trump. Compare that with Hillary's email investigation, of a much shorter duration, that came to a conclusion of "extremely careless," changed by attorneys within the FBI from "grossly negligent" specifically because otherwise she might have been subject to prosecution. That was part of Strzok's testimony yesterday. Of, compare it to Strzok's complaint of his innocence of bias charges because an investigation of only a few months has not yet turned up any charges against him.

I think a reasonable person can conclude from that comparison that the partisanship here is on your behalf.

As to Obama, I learned quickly to never complain under threat of racism charges. He's gone from office, meaning this guy, who to his eternal shame once voted for the fool, is no longer a racist... live with it.

Now that the obligatory insults are out of the way (and I remind you this is not the Mud Pit; this is ATS), do you have anything more relevant than a geography lesson and insults to contribute?

TheRedneck

Benghazi ring any bells?

originally posted by: 727Sky
We know any Russian collusion was on behalf of Clinton's Uranium deal ... Her and her cabal came out OK on that deal and are still walking free.

Furthermore was it not her who said,"If Trump wins we all hang"?

It is hard for me to fathom people who will defend known crooks and a political party that thinks Maxine Waters and Pelosi are the best they have and people should listen to their every word.. All the while claiming Trump is the dirty one with nothing to back up their statements except some talking head from CNN or MSN making innuendo by way of a fake news story that only gets retracted if they absolutely have to..

Isn't it kind of weird that all the names you mention for Democrats as bad actors are women?

a reply to: Greven

Is Bengazi relevant? I wasn't aware there was a Russian or FBI connection.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Greven

Is Bengazi relevant? I wasn't aware there was a Russian or FBI connection.

TheRedneck

It's something that was talked about almost daily here on ATS for four years as it was investigated repeatedly by the GOP.
Timeline of the investigation into the 2012 Benghazi attack

e: point is, investigations can take awhile.

a reply to: TheRedneck

This meeting feels like Adolf Hitler (Putin) meeting Trump (Benito Mussolini) Putin's puppet

Someone check my recollections but didn't Trump say something along the lines of "I can deal with Putin and make it a great deal" during the early part of general election period.

One never heard any "Muh Russia" meme prior to that time period - its as if the Dem leadership had a cow and trotted HRC out virtually next day and started ball rolling on project Muh Russia - was it fear?

Flipping the coin on true believing puppets and deep state cultists it would appear they're deathly afraid of a Trump/Putin meeting, especially one that is productive and not tainted with false minutiae.

Is that because Putin has the "goods" on dem/deep cult operations - I think maybe, why else all the distraction and tooth gnashing and hand wringing to ridiculous extents.

The penalty for treason is............................

Big motivator that is.

a reply to: Greven

Re the investigations: that is a side mention, not the point of the OP. I specifically compared the Russian collusion investigation to the Hillary email investigation, not Bengazi, not Whitewater, not any of the other myriad investigations concerning her.

I had hoped you had relevant information to the OP. That is the only reason I replied to you. I am not fully cognizant of all the events surrounding Bengazi; I only know Hillary caused it by her refusal to send troops, an ambassador died in the attack, and no one cares. I thought you knew something relevant that I did not.

There are plenty of threads on Bengazi already.

TheRedneck

a reply to: bsalert

At least that is relevant...

Exactly what actions has Trump undertaken as President to indicate to you that he is Putin's puppet?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Phoenix

Yes, he did say that, and it has been used out of context to great effect by his detractors ever since.

But the timeline you mention was a large part of what caused me to start thinking along these lines. You're right; Russia was never a big deal until Trump was elected, then suddenly it was the only thing that mattered. The original FBI investigation says it was about Russia, but the more I learn about the timelines involved, the more I believe that is a cover story concocted after the fact. I believe it was started as a way for the FBI to fill a void in their files on the incoming US President, who for once they did not have a file on. The Steele Dossier was their attempt to get the desired information, at any cost whatsoever.

It's hard to blackmail a President when there is nothing to blackmail him on.

When the FBI realized they couldn't find enough dirt on Trump, they then went into coverup mode, blaming Russia for everything and creating a false impression among the easily impressionable that Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary. And they have used that to continue their fact-finding investigation. They're not looking for Russia ties; they're looking for anything illegal or embarrassing that can be used to keep Trump in line with TPTB. And now Trump is going to be alone in a room with someone who knows what they have been up to.

I'd be scared too.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: bsalert

At least that is relevant...

Exactly what actions has Trump undertaken as President to indicate to you that he is Putin's puppet?

TheRedneck

I happen to think its a massive case of projection aimed at covering some very bad misdeeds on several fronts and possibly treason to boot on the side making all the noise on the OP subject matter at hand.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Putin is the key that ties them all together.

because back in to 1990's the Russian govt. delvereraged themselves from the central banking system and the parasitic banking system have been after them constantly to get back in line so they can feed off their money and resources supply in Russia, and Putin is outsmarting them and rebuffing them. Putin gave the Central Banks the middle finger and they've been after him ever since he has not fallen in line with their plans. Putin made Russia Great Again and the bankers can't stand it.

a reply to: TheRedneck

If not him who else is pulling the strings ? The guys a genius sorry I mean idiot ! He never got this far without big backers, and in his case Russians, and it seems the news in the last few days has even proven that, the fact he needs private meetings with putin with noone to over hear what is said, just stinks! this guy is rotten to the core, you should pin your hopes on pence if Right wing is your only leaning, have your bought a 3d printer to print off more guns yet?? gun control my arse. The queen should have thrown him in the dungeon. suck on that red neck

a reply to: thepixelpusher

Now that is an interesting train of thought!

I remember the Cold War, and the day the wall fell. I remember Russia was trying to reorganize under a capitalistic economic model, and they were having a lot of problems implementing it. I also remember rumors that the bulk of those problems were due to US interests taking advantage of them.

I also remember being shocked when I first heard Vladimir Putin was in charge.

This would not be the first time, by any means, that hostile capitalistic interests tried to overthrow a country for profit, and Putin is simply too mean to be overthrown... that would explain why he was able to attain leadership, and why he has not been very friendly to Western nations' attempts to 'help' Russia.

Quite interesting! Thank you!

TheRedneck

a reply to: bsalert

If not him who else is pulling the strings ? The guys a genius sorry I mean idiot ! He never got this far without big backers, and in his case Russians, and it seems the news in the last few days has even proven that, the fact he needs private meetings with putin with noone to over hear what is said, just stinks! this guy is rotten to the core, you should pin your hopes on pence if Right wing is your only leaning, have your bought a 3d printer to print off more guns yet?? gun control my arse. The queen should have thrown him in the dungeon. suck on that red neck

Interesting. I simply asked for information to back up a claim. You start with the assumption that Trump is an idiot, then falsely state he was only able to succeed with 'backers' (who you conveniently do not name). Every sentence then becomes angrier than the one before it, all the way to a childish ending insult.

I can only conclude that you are angry that you cannot back up your claim, and so you resort to more claims you cannot back up to try and cover the first one.

Yep, that indicates I have hit a serious nerve. Thank you for the confirmation. Now have a nice day.

TheRedneck