Freemasonry: A Secret Society or a Society with Secrets?

a reply to: one4all

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Proper grammar, too! (I'm going to pick up where I left off last night).

a reply to: one4all

To continue and, obviously I couldn't possibly address all of what you wrote but, I'll do my best to comment on what I chose to select.

...they [Freemasons] have mapped symettry and syncronicity and attatched symbolism and sanctity to these parameters.

Again, we have not "mapped" any such things ourselves. We have incorporated, and even to some extent, appropriated certain forms of knowledge for our own particular Masonic uses.

This is wonderful...they [Freemasons] can help each other find a path of least resistance....in any area in life...

We are taught the same moral lessons but, it is left up to each one of us to find an application for them in our own individual lives. We are good men who help one another become better men in so far as we share the same goals and values. I suppose one of our commonly accepted tenets, i.e., 'relief', could be thought of as helping one another to "find a path of least resistance" in times of need.

...all this is is a less bastardised version of what major Doctrines project....if you reverse extrapolate these doctrines AND all secret societies....you come to the singular source from which these ideologies nd their histrionics stem

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. One 'doctrine' in particular comes to mind which appears to be quite universal and ubiquitous: the Golden Rule in its varieties of expressions is shared by Freemasonry, many religions and other such societies. I would say God is that "singular source" of universal Truth. It is, however, inaccurate to refer to our society as a "secret society". That has been sufficiently debunked elsewhere.

To be continued later. (I'm at work right now; I should go do some work, lol).

a reply to: one4all

The Knights Templar hid their Treasures including the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail and their riches inside a Craft made of granite.....the same type of technology found inside the ship made of Granite found crashed on the Moon which Mona Lisa piloted....the same type of massive Granite Craft David Hamel tried to show us how to build to save ourselves from what your secret society knows is coming even if you yourself do not know

You mean "The Grid", i.e., the asphalt-electrical network? Nah, we've been told that plan has been scrapped (too many potholes would have to be repaired first), and 'They' haven't told us what 'Their' Plan B is - if 'They' even have one. So, we're still waiting on that. However, Mona Lisa (who is still very much alive) has told us that all the Templar treasure was transferred from the Craft long ago and is safely buried in a secret location on Oak Island. Only we have the know-how to extract it from the ground without destroying it. I just hope those two idiot brothers from the TV show don't ruin everything or it will definitely be the end of the human race!

What if I told you that at the highest levels of those who created the secret societies and groups we know of there are people who cannot be lied to.....people who can find truths and answers like most of us find our next breath... NATURALLY WITHOUT THOUGHT NOR CONVICTION..... what if I told you I was an Auto-didact Intuitive Empath.....and that I can even recognise the STYLES OF INFLUENCE IN TERMS OF THE AGE OR EPOCH THEY ORIGINATED FROM.....there are some really really old managers still around somehow and the patterning of their work evidences his clearly.

Well, IF you told me that, first I'd think you were crazy - but I'd only 'think' it; I wouldn't tell you out loud so as not to offend or insult you. Second, I'd test your claim by asking you to produce some evidence for it; but, I don't believe you would tell me such a thing unless you yourself really believed such drivel, and I don't think you do. Do you?

Never mind. Don't answer that question.

Next.

a reply to: one4all

This knowledge belonged to the masses and should have been given in its entirity to the masses in totality....but it was not.....ALL OF THE SECRET SOCIETIES AND GROUPS AND RELIGONS ...well you heard me define it as the sins of the fathers....and now you know why the sins of the fathers never stop and continue to affect generation after generation.

I must admit here that I have NO idea what you are talking about. I believe you believe you know what you are talking about, and we'll just leave it at that.

a reply to: one4all

a diamond is shall we say unfinished business.

I think you are like this diamond - like a rough ashlar (that's Masonic lingo; look it up. You may find it interesting).

It was nice to meet you. I dare say it was one of the strangest conversations I've had in a long time - possibly the strangest.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: one4all

The Knights Templar hid their Treasures including the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail and their riches inside a Craft made of granite.....the same type of technology found inside the ship made of Granite found crashed on the Moon which Mona Lisa piloted....the same type of massive Granite Craft David Hamel tried to show us how to build to save ourselves from what your secret society knows is coming even if you yourself do not know

You mean "The Grid", i.e., the asphalt-electrical network? Nah, we've been told that plan has been scrapped (too many potholes would have to be repaired first), and 'They' haven't told us what 'Their' Plan B is - if 'They' even have one. So, we're still waiting on that. However, Mona Lisa (who is still very much alive) has told us that all the Templar treasure was transferred from the Craft long ago and is safely buried in a secret location on Oak Island. Only we have the know-how to extract it from the ground without destroying it. I just hope those two idiot brothers from the TV show don't ruin everything or it will definitely be the end of the human race!

What if I told you that at the highest levels of those who created the secret societies and groups we know of there are people who cannot be lied to.....people who can find truths and answers like most of us find our next breath... NATURALLY WITHOUT THOUGHT NOR CONVICTION..... what if I told you I was an Auto-didact Intuitive Empath.....and that I can even recognise the STYLES OF INFLUENCE IN TERMS OF THE AGE OR EPOCH THEY ORIGINATED FROM.....there are some really really old managers still around somehow and the patterning of their work evidences his clearly.

Well, IF you told me that, first I'd think you were crazy - but I'd only 'think' it; I wouldn't tell you out loud so as not to offend or insult you. Second, I'd test your claim by asking you to produce some evidence for it; but, I don't believe you would tell me such a thing unless you yourself really believed such drivel, and I don't think you do. Do you?

Never mind. Don't answer that question.

Next.

Oak Island....lol....everyone knows that all you had to do to recover the deposit was punch a hole through the roof at the right spot.....but no one wants 2 million pounds of copper....lol....more than one treasure was stored on Oak Island.....lol...French Drains were discovered on oak Island....the inventor of the French drain was the 1st treasurer of the United States.....the Oak Island deposit was used to build the USA and I thought everyone knew that already.......there are many treasure spots around if you know what to look for like signs of advanced horticultural knowledge and other aspects of natural science,note the type of Oak trees found on Oak Island to learn of earlier visitors ....lol.....Emery Smith says the Craft is still underground within the USA and things are intact including the 300 Templar Knights sworn to protect the treasure to their deaths....right below a nice big fat hoard of gold...and FYI I already posted the different conceptual components of the technology they used to find said hoard earlier in this thread.

a reply to: one4all

That's all quite interesting, quite a story. I just went and Googled Emery Smith and I read (skimmed) through an interview he did for David Wilcock. Here's the link if you're interested. He talks about underground civilizations and the gold and the Templars and such. I personally don't buy a word of it, but if other people do, I don't mind.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: one4all

a diamond is shall we say unfinished business.

I think you are like this diamond - like a rough ashlar (that's Masonic lingo; look it up. You may find it interesting).

It was nice to meet you. I dare say it was one of the strangest conversations I've had in a long time - possibly the strangest.

It was interesting.....in regards to the Perfect Ashlar....3 sides are within our individual control and 3 sides are not however we are encouraged to strive to seek a path to finding the perfect Ashlar following stated edict...there is a critical contrast in directive which must be addressed......unless the individual has the ability to use his tools on suitable material the Perfect Ashlar can not be manifested....the inability for the individual to have truthfull ability to impact 3 sides of the perfect Ashlar.......makes the material unsuitable.


The very core value foundations that these 3 sides of the Perfect Ashlar represent must be of the finest material...they must be able to reflect the 6 surfaces of the perfect Ashlar.....however you see this is where we run into a serious issue......one which cannot be denied......very essence of the Perfect Ashlar is in some ways democratic in nature....globally democratic in nature in fact....and this is interesting because unless you have a global democracy in which every single living human being has a name and is recognised in real time as an equal and equitable voice ....you cannot ensure the quality of the material being worked or in other words the very spirit of the order dictates that the absolutely finest material be used....and this means to me that ONLY a global democratic real-time dynamic could possibly provide the finest material for one to work with...mostly because the 3 sides of the Perfet Ashlar that we cannot impact are directly related to this quality of material.....the State Legeslative, and Judicial obligations cannot be met unless a real time global democracy is in place upon which the work may begin now in earnest.

I also enjoyed the discourse....well the conversation will always seem strange when you are talking to someone who has had multiple abductions by multiple groups Alien and Human and someone who has a direct lineage to the Royal family and is also directly related to one of the founding members of what is now a globally impactfull religion with members numbering in the millions....lol....I wonder if Freemasons put in the nice little tile job message that is found underneath the Coronation room that describes the Royal families role in the coming times....lol.....in a very very ironic manner being an auto-didact drives one to eventually seek to find a path to the Perfect Ashlar as I understand it after my brief initiation over the last 30 minutes.You see the problem of the 3 sides of the Perfect Ashlar that we currently have no definable impact on CAN BE MORALLY TEMPERED WITH THE SAME TOOLS REPRESENTED BY THE 3 SIDES WE CAN CONTROL AND IMPACT....we must rely on more Intuition and Empathy to REINFORCE THESE 3 SIDES WE CAN HAVE TRUTHFULL IMPACTS OVER.....as an Auto-didact in context of these ideas I had to work with the 3 tools I had to manifest the best possible material from which to begin....as a natural Intuitive Empath or possibly as a result of my abductions and implants this powerful Intuition and Empathy has been artificially supported either way I feel fortunate to have strength in these areas to work at providing balance while I work....at seeking my own version of the perfect Ashlar.

Not you nor I nor anyone else can by proxy ever strive to manifest the perfect Ashlar until we have a global democracy in real-time.....IMHO there remains a lot of work to be done and quite possibly leadership requires a transfusion of some fresh intentions and methods.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: one4all

That's all quite interesting, quite a story. I just went and Googled Emery Smith and I read (skimmed) through an interview he did for David Wilcock. Here's the link if you're interested. He talks about underground civilizations and the gold and the Templars and such. I personally don't buy a word of it, but if other people do, I don't mind.

It is not the fact of their claims that is relevant to us it is the TECHNOLOGY and METHODS they used to locate these materials.....there would and could be little to no expectation that these different technologies would be combined and used in this most accurate way.....lol...I mean I understand them all and I have known how to do what they did for years and years but to my knowledge no one has ever built and used the technology as these guys have now done...I even refused to post minute details about how to combine the different concepts and technologies for fear the wrong people would get it and further the obvious tech path which could lead to developing new weapons....Emerys partner who operates the technology spilled his beans to my sharp eye online long long ago in an obscure video on an semi-related topic....funny because his partner seemed to be pretty morally grounded and wanted to be careful who he shared the tech with...wonder how that has been working out.As you can see in the video they do not know what the Granite Craft is....lol....yet....but they soon will.....I more wanted to refer back to the technology they used or ...lol...claim...they used....because it is very real technology and does exactly what they claim to have done.

a reply to: one4all

Even if Emery's story were true, which I don't believe it is - not yet - because I have not been shown any evidence to back it up (and how would I even evaluate such evidence - if it exists - since I presume it would take at least a PhD in Physics to evaluate it, as well as access to the right scientific tools, which I certainly don't have; in other words, how would I even know what the heck I was looking at?), there is no reason to accept his theory that the Templars had anything to do with it, let alone Freemasons - which are not the same thing at all. Why drag us into this?

a reply to: one4all

I seem to have missed this post. I'll have to read it later today and reply to it as I'm just finishing up 'work' at the moment and heading for home soon for some shut-eye. I'll 'talk' to you later. Enjoy your day!

a reply to: one4all

Well, I must say, that is about as fascinating a personal interpretion of the rough and perfect ashlars as I have ever encountered - and from a "profane" no less! I would encourage you to petition a Lodge in your domain; I think you would be considered an asset to our Fraternity.

If you should decide to petition your local Lodge, let me know, and I will give you a reference.

However, you must be willing to be skeptical and open-minded, as well as liberal in your acceptance of the 'surface' teachings of Freemasonry. Initiatic lectures are open-ended; they allow you to formulate your own theories; they allow you to take them and apply them in the way that you understand them for yourself.

Which body of sacred writings would you choose to have placed upon the altar during your initiation? I am curious.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

That's usually the statement of those who don't bother to do a little research on Freemasonry and thereby
make inane statements.
Maybe some people just work harder than you and have obtained their success through it. It's easy to blame someone else for your lack of success, isn't it.

a reply to: Aspect27

Welcome.

a reply to: CanadianMason

a reply to: Aspect27

What's your shtik? Interested in you, Kermit.

originally posted by: gottaknow
Sure is weird how much documentation exists against the Freemasons.

Sure is weird how much William Cooper had to say about them after great amounts of in-depth study.

Sure is weird how any Freemason building is in PRISTINE condition while city blocks crumble slowly around them.

Sure is weird how many astronauts, and leaders and royalty are Masonic or Eastern Star.

1. Of course there are documents against us. And often been debunked.
2.of course our buildings are in great condition because each member contributes to the upkeep through dues, donations and volunteering to do repairs. Unlike city or county where you need votes, complaints etc.
3. Back in the day rich and poor people would join organizations. Infact in olden days joining ensured that your family would be taken care of if anything happened to you. Masonry is just popular due to how long its been around.

Aaarghhh... Mi'Maty!
Scally Wag The Booty... Thar She Be.

Freemasonary is its own thing. It does good and it does bad.
Mabey it all balances out but who knows for sure.

I thought about their agenda to hybridize people with machines.
That technology will evolve in unpredictable ways they wont be able to control.
When things go out of control structures like theirs tend to fragment and suffer internal
conflict.
Freemasonary will eventually be replaced by something else.

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