People are Fake, nobody cares for the Thai boys that were trapped in the caves

originally posted by: JAGStorm
I find it oddly ironic that all these people were hoping and praying for the safety of these Thai boys in a cave. However
if you put those same Thai boys on our border, or in a cage in America it would be a different story.

The sad thing, it isn't a different story. It is exactly the same. These kids didn't make the choice and are not capable of the choice.
It is parents or adults that did. No matter what you feel about border control or immigration, kids are kids.
It sickens me to see all the people and companies trying to steal "glory" regarding the rescue of these kids.

There are tons and tons of kids worldwide that need saving. Throw a dart and you'll find a place kids need help. If you want to keep thing patriotic, just hop down to Florida. There are some counties where 98% of kids are are free and reduced meals. They are barely making it. Send some of your rescue money there. Go to the inner cities and spend some on education, safety nets, anything that might give these kids a chance. But you see, that doesn't get publicity or the feels.

I completely agree. I worked with inner city kids in Atlanta for about 6 years. They were at a battered womens shelter here.

It saddens me that there is such a huge push for kids that are coming across the US border but nothing for those that are and have been here for years.

We need to fix our own country before we fix others.

a reply to: MetalThunder

I'll take your word for the totals, but the reason why they haven't been adopted is a whole other thread, and has exactly zero to do with not being wanted.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: JAGStorm

I get where you're coming from. It seems absurd when we focus our attentions on one problem when millions of others need it more urgently.

Another way of looking at it is there are too many problems to fix all at once. A small act of charity can be a start, right?

Have you ever spent five minutes on a GoFundMe site? Man, there's page after page of people crying out for help. You could blow a $million in an hour without moving the needle on global desperation. People can only do so much...

Yep, and how many of those are built by fraudsters looking to separate the gullible from the little they have (usually it’s the elderly that can’t afford it that lose their money).

a reply to: MetalThunder

I'd argue that both sides want more, seeing as how a lot of folks on the "right" wish to outlaw abortions. That will directly lead to more children up for adoption.

None of this is a partisan issue. We need to move away from the "Democrats are terrible!" "No, Republicans are terrible!" and realize we all have the same problems, and we need to find working solutions that help EVERYONE.

a reply to: JAGStorm

So how many immigrant children are living with you? Seeing as you’ve taken the moral high ground I assume you’ve put your money where your mouth is right?

We’re you packing your spelunking gear getting ready to head to Thailand? Or are you just a keyboard warrior here to tell us how we’re all horrible people?

Either you care or you don’t right? (Your words)
So how many immigrant children and middle eastern refugees can I put you down for? I’d make sure your interior doors all lock, some of those refugees are kinda “forward” I hear, and not very respectful to their hosts..........

a reply to: carewemust

I'm confused. You have a documented source that shows definitively that CNN wanted a bad outcome?

Unfounded speculation about someone wishing ill will towards minors is just bad form. I expect better on ATS.

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: JAGStorm

I get where you're coming from. It seems absurd when we focus our attentions on one problem when millions of others need it more urgently.

Another way of looking at it is there are too many problems to fix all at once. A small act of charity can be a start, right?

Have you ever spent five minutes on a GoFundMe site? Man, there's page after page of people crying out for help. You could blow a $million in an hour without moving the needle on global desperation. People can only do so much...

Yep, and how many of those are built by fraudsters looking to separate the gullible from the little they have (usually it’s the elderly that can’t afford it that lose their money).

Even it was 50% there'd still be a lot of tragedy on those sites.

originally posted by: narrator
a reply to: carewemust

I'm confused. You have a documented source that shows definitively that CNN wanted a bad outcome?

Unfounded speculation about someone wishing ill will towards minors is just bad form. I expect better on ATS.

It's best not to put to much thought into the posts of CWM. Pure brain-leakage propaganda.

Sad really.

To be fair I never even pretended to care

a reply to: JAGStorm

I find it oddly ironic that all these people were hoping and praying for the safety of these Thai boys in a cave. However if you put those same Thai boys on our border, or in a cage in America it would be a different story.

In the actual scenario we are talking about these young men simply found themselves in a negative situation through no fault of their own. In your fake scenario they would have been criminals who chose to be in that situation.

These are not equivalent situations and only one is reality. Your entire argument is completely flawed and lacks any logical thought.

Your title suggests that people are fake, but you are the only one being fake here.

a reply to: JAGStorm

This is the age of plastic people, and everyone's a replicant.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Tell me...

a reply to: Thejoncrichton

Considering that it used to happen to 1-2 kids a month and now we arrest 2000 in 2 months .. So the dynamic has changed.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I'm not fake. I never pretended to care.

a reply to: JAGStorm

You must be a fake as well since you said nothing when children were in cages separated from their law breaking parents during past administrations as well.

Kinda makes you a hypocritical fake now since you only speak out now, it's not new policy other than the zero tolerance portion as kids were seperated before this and kept in worse conditions.

The bottom line is they are safe and better off than they were as they were being smuggled across open desert and across the border illegally. They will also be reunited with the same parents that abused them in this way so the faux outrage is just that faux

, I come from a time before social media and had outrage back then. I'

a reply to: JAGStorm

back in the glory days when Tom Brokaw looked you in the eyes and told you how to think every night on the TV...

Either you care about kids or you don't

... i think you mean "either emotional manipulation works on you or it don't"

Kevin Spacey cares jk.

Actually we all care

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Your numbers are way off, as in astronomically wrong.

As of August 31, for the fiscal year that began October 1, 2013, Border Patrol agents had apprehended 66,127 unaccompanied minors and 66,142 family units, the vast majority from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala; most arrived in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas.

Those children would have been separated from their families as well even if more temporarily than today. That's not even the whole fiscal year so even if there was only one child in that family group, it is over 66 thousand children, way more than your 1 or 2.

www.migrationpolicy.org...

There are serious problems that should have been worked out long before now. Congress is the entity to hold the blame card in this. I don't blame past administrations anymore than I place blame on the current one other than the FACT they all did nothing.

At least Trump is forcing the American people to look at the problem. As far as forcing Congress to do their jobs, not so far as both sides spout nonsense and stupid false statistics like the numbers you did and still have not sat down and fixed it. So the only dynamic that has changed is the political dynamic of its Trumps fault and we can make an issue of it to get back in office then once again turn our backs once we are back in power.

Few people can take something good that has happened and turn it into something bad, but you've managed to do it. I find the attitude behind your words completely disgusting.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Thejoncrichton

The media instructed nothing. My point was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the public. Either you care about kids or you don't, can't have it both ways.

fyi, I come from a time before social media and had outrage back then. I've also lived in places other than the United States, so when I say I have seen poverty, I have seen poverty. I've seen toddlers with Aids that nobody would adopt because there was no medicine or cure.

There will ALWAYS be someone in need unfortunately BUT, The best thing you can do is help, ranting about others not helping does nothing. You cant control anything in life but your own path. So either go help and shut up or just shut up 🧐

originally posted by: JAGStorm
I find it oddly ironic that all these people were hoping and praying for the safety of these Thai boys in a cave. However
if you put those same Thai boys on our border, or in a cage in America it would be a different story.

The sad thing, it isn't a different story. It is exactly the same. These kids didn't make the choice and are not capable of the choice.
It is parents or adults that did. No matter what you feel about border control or immigration, kids are kids.
It sickens me to see all the people and companies trying to steal "glory" regarding the rescue of these kids.

There are tons and tons of kids worldwide that need saving. Throw a dart and you'll find a place kids need help. If you want to keep thing patriotic, just hop down to Florida. There are some counties where 98% of kids are are free and reduced meals. They are barely making it. Send some of your rescue money there. Go to the inner cities and spend some on education, safety nets, anything that might give these kids a chance. But you see, that doesn't get publicity or the feels.

I read your post and said to myself, what the heck are you talking about. But just to let you have a little understanding in your post, both cases the children are being taken care of and not left on their own to die. Your post sounded as if you really had NO thought behind your thinking.