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originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver
Nobody has any real idea yet, it all still speculation.
I have a degree in Electronic and Electrical Engineering and another in Information Technology which allows me to attempt to grasp the little idiosyncrasies of our universe.
Whats your claim to fame??? LoL
Stop attempting to tell people they don't know what they are talking about, just because its clear you yourself have no idea!
It's all just speculation and debate, there are no unequivocal answers as of yet, that's a fact.
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
Can you present some proof that humans have and utilize pheromones?
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver
No just the rest of the mammals.
You do realize we fall into said category???
Your nose is obviously to near your own arse. x
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: mysterioustranger
Well our perception of the visible light which comprises the electromagnetic spectrum is rather limited.
Plenty of things happening beyond the limited scope of our perception.
I don’t believe your claim how do you propose to convince me, and everyone else that requires proof before believing you? You do understand that you can’t just simply make claims and demand that people believe them.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
Exactly, and my confirmation is based on proof via OBEs. How do you propose we measure an OBE?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I don’t believe your claim how do you propose to convince me, and everyone else that requires proof before believing you? You do understand that you can’t just simply make claims and demand that people believe them.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
Exactly, and my confirmation is based on proof via OBEs. How do you propose we measure an OBE?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
The term energy is very vague. Far too vague to make such claims.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Moongirl
energy...thought processes of the viewers by different levels of ability to see, hear and feel...some can't see...some don't see, some won't see..visions and "impressions" of people, places and time past.
Places and people-events past...can leave an energy "imprint"...
Not unless you are using your degree to Experiment on the brain. In which case I would be happy to look over your work, but I don’t think you work in that field, so I don’t think you have any special knowledge that would be useful In this discussion.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver
I dont claim to understand, merely to entertain new ideas or solutions.
You cant see how an Electrical Engineering Degree may allow further understanding of consciousness should it be connected to the force of electromagnetism?
Science is the only definitive tool we have regarding repetitive testing into the area of consciousness and/or how it emerges, neuroscience in particular.
As to how we go about it, i have no idea to date.
Do you?
I can certainly test whether there is wind or not.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I don’t believe your claim how do you propose to convince me, and everyone else that requires proof before believing you? You do understand that you can’t just simply make claims and demand that people believe them.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
Exactly, and my confirmation is based on proof via OBEs. How do you propose we measure an OBE?
I am relaying my experiences to hopefully find others with the same experiences/realities of existence. Can you see the wind?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Not unless you are using your degree to Experiment on the brain. In which case I would be happy to look over your work, but I don’t think you work in that field, so I don’t think you have any special knowledge that would be useful In this discussion.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver
I dont claim to understand, merely to entertain new ideas or solutions.
You cant see how an Electrical Engineering Degree may allow further understanding of consciousness should it be connected to the force of electromagnetism?
Science is the only definitive tool we have regarding repetitive testing into the area of consciousness and/or how it emerges, neuroscience in particular.
As to how we go about it, i have no idea to date.
Do you?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I can certainly test whether there is wind or not.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I don’t believe your claim how do you propose to convince me, and everyone else that requires proof before believing you? You do understand that you can’t just simply make claims and demand that people believe them.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Confirmation requires proof, otherwise it’s just a personal experience. If you have proof I would love to see it but if you have personal anecdotes, I am not interested.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: Woodcarver
you have jumped the gun quite a bit there. We would necessarily need to confirm the existence of spirit before you could ask such a question.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight
The universe might, but if she does she not willingly giving up that secret willy-nilly.
Further understanding of consciousness and/or how such emerges is required i imagine.
Yes, of course, but is spirit solely comprised of consciousness? What came first spirit or consciousness?
No, you need confirmation, I do not.
If you want to write fiction have At it. But if you want to be taken seriously, confirmation is indeed necessary. The OP is asking a serious question, they are looking for answers. I will be the first to mention that I do not think these answers will be forthcoming because I don’t think the subject matter is real. But, if people here are truly serious in this quest to find out whether this is real or not, there are certain methods we could employ besides simply stating things as fact or denying the need for confirmation.
I already have my confirmation, you do not, therefore it is up to you to confirm that it is hooey.
Exactly, and my confirmation is based on proof via OBEs. How do you propose we measure an OBE?
I am relaying my experiences to hopefully find others with the same experiences/realities of existence. Can you see the wind?
It is a guess in the dark. About something that has never been confirmed. What we should be focusing on is how to confirm this?
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
originally posted by: Woodcarver
The term energy is very vague. Far too vague to make such claims.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Moongirl
energy...thought processes of the viewers by different levels of ability to see, hear and feel...some can't see...some don't see, some won't see..visions and "impressions" of people, places and time past.
Places and people-events past...can leave an energy "imprint"...
It's the closest description I could use in general
originally posted by: Woodcarver
It is a guess in the dark. About something that has never been confirmed. What we should be focusing on is how to confirm this?
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
originally posted by: Woodcarver
The term energy is very vague. Far too vague to make such claims.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Moongirl
energy...thought processes of the viewers by different levels of ability to see, hear and feel...some can't see...some don't see, some won't see..visions and "impressions" of people, places and time past.
Places and people-events past...can leave an energy "imprint"...
It's the closest description I could use in general