Trump’s Trade War Is Wreaking Havoc on the Dairy Industry

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: Willtell

I'm from Wisconsin, and I do believe that Canada hit us with a very large tariff, ( of 250 to 300 percent) on dairy long before Trump was even in office. So it's ok for them to do it, but not Trump? Give me a break.

Forgive Willtell. He's desperate for something..anything..to validate his disdain for the man that's making America even greater.

Facts are facts
Reality is reality


Dairy farmers are hurting. How would you feel if your business was impacted by Trump’s unwise policies?

a reply to: Willtell

270%

EXPLAIN.

US dairy subsidies are about 73% then they were selling across borders which undercut local markets and brought about tariffs on milk.

American government contributed around $22.2 billion in direct and indirect subsidies to the dairy sector.

link

a reply to: Willtell

From you and the article.

"Think," "believe," "might," "could," "should," "probably," 'maybe," "wonder," "doubt," etc etc etc.


Fact:

a thing that is indisputably the case.

Happy trolling.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: Willtell

I'm from Wisconsin, and I do believe that Canada hit us with a very large tariff, ( of 250 to 300 percent) on dairy long before Trump was even in office. So it's ok for them to do it, but not Trump? Give me a break.

Forgive Willtell. He's desperate for something..anything..to validate his disdain for the man that's making America even greater.

Facts are facts
Reality is reality


Dairy farmers are hurting. How would you feel if your business was impacted by Trump’s unwise policies?

Yet , you have been told the facts time and time again
Complete disregard for facts.
How are we ever to believe anything you post ?

Already in trouble, Wisconsin dairy farmers are now getting hammered by tariffs

www.jsonline.com...

jeff Schwager, president of Sartori Cheese in Plymouth, says he’s already seeing an impact from the Mexican tariffs. “The customers we have down there are saying, ‘Let’s put things on hold for a little while until we sort out the tariffs,’” Schwager said. “They want us to absorb the bulk of the tariffs. … If we knew it was only going to be for three months we might do it at a loss, but if it’s going to be five years we definitely wouldn’t do it,” he added.

This isn’t the NYT or WAPO

This is some hillbilly paper

Hey, people here are in denial, Trump's wacky policies just aren't working.

Facts are facts

a reply to: Willtell
How are dairy farmers getting hammered when 98% of them are under corporate contract? The corporate entities handling the diary may be getting hammered but the farmers are being paid for their product according to their corporate contract.
In the world of subsidies, corporate is a great way to funnel funds.
I could be wrong but after talking at length with a few folks who are far more knowledgeable than I about industrial farming and commodity "associations" and "write-offs" I can see this as one more trickle in the draining of the swamp. BigAg has it's own little micro-habitat there in the swamp.

I think Will is a day early to hammer Tariffs. The big ones go into effect tomorrow and China is going to fire back. We are going to get hit by the UK, Canada, Mexico, and China with tariffs all at the same time.

A recession is sure to come at this pace.

I aint no city slicker, I spent time on a farm in Pennsylvania as a kid, I use to help milk cows, I know what I’m talking about.

a reply to: Willtell

You are crying over milk that went sour long before Trump came on the scene.

After Trump tariffs the crap out of things Canada cares about, US dairy will have a new market up there.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Willtell
Want to be honest Will? Or just hate Trump?

Exactly... Trumps just trying to a good thing for the US with these tariffs... He's creating policies which will force the US to became totally self reliant on their own natural resources.

He must have seen how well that worked out for North Korea and wants to follow suit.

He's actually total genius... His just playing 4d chess!!!

Care to address my relatives experience on how crony capitalism has screwed small farmers in favor of corporate farms or would you as well care to blame Trump?

Funny how as an American with relatives who are dairy farmers have to be told by an American hating Australian I don't know WTF I am talking about aye?

Usually democrats are the ones who love to destroy small businesses, they are all about big government. My dad owned a business back in the 90's that was doing great until Hillary Clinton tried to pass some insurance law that put my dad as well as TONS of other small business out of business. Then after the damage was done, the insurance bill did not pass, pffft, did your family lose there business? We can go back and forth all day but the purpose of the Tariff's is to make America more self sufficient/reliant and if we do our own things produce and products will be cheaper and there will be more work in America... BOOOM

a reply to: Willtell


You have a tendency to spout off a lot of anti-Administration while confessing to know better. In this vein I have to ask what would you do if you have to level the playing field if the opposite side refuses to work with you? Do you give in (like the last Administration) or do you create an environment that forces the opposite side to reflect on it's choices (like the current Administration)?


You seem to not understand that Canada decided to push this issue rather then renegotiate the trade agreement, and then decided to double down (figuratively of course) on their end of the bad deal. While this is taking place American Dairy farmers are only being set back a little. Milk has many uses; food and drink, fuel, textiles, bleaching agents, and many other items but I think you get the point. Saying that Dairy Farmers are getting hurt by all this is merely a knee-jerk reaction to the situation. Farmers are some of the most resourceful people out there, and when given a fair opportunity they will succeed like nobodies business.

originally posted by: Willtell
I aint no city slicker, I spent time on a farm in Pennsylvania as a kid, I use to help milk cows, I know what I’m talking about.

Saying this doesn't actually mean you did it and did you really type "city slicker" and "milk cows" in the same post? Yeah, you sure as hell don't know what you're talking about, lmfao.

So, that 270%...you just going to ignore that or actually provide some substance?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: seeker1963

Are you avoiding reality just to support your man? It's the testimony of dairy farmers, their saying their hurting. I'm just quoting them

They're and they're.

Hope you enjoy the education you're getting in this thread.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Willtell
I aint no city slicker, I spent time on a farm in Pennsylvania as a kid, I use to help milk cows, I know what I’m talking about.

Saying this doesn't actually mean you did it and did you really type "city slicker" and "milk cows" in the same post? Yeah, you sure as hell don't know what you're talking about, lmfao.

So, that 270%...you just going to ignore that or actually provide some substance?

It is not just Canada's "Has been in place" 270% tariffs, the EU has been playing the same games and is blocking 95% of US dairy already.

Mexico is the only tariff and I highly doubt that even with their new tariff that US dairy will cost more than EU or Canada due to distance / shipping.

In a so called trade war, the US in the main consumer of the world's exports. If they want to continue to play tariff games like they have for decades, it will cripple them in the long run. Who are they going to sell their exports to?

There is not much the US needs in the world that cannot be grown, manufactured, mined, or drilled here.

a reply to: infolurker

Precisely.

People seem to forget that during the world wars, America came together, from a vast population of low educated people with high ambitions and masters of their particular crafts, we managed to pull and push industry like nothing.

Should something of that magnitude happen I'v no doubt the American populace will replicate the same plan.

a reply to: Arnie123

2016
Canada Imposes 276% Tariff on US Drywall Imports
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
I aint no city slicker, I spent time on a farm in Pennsylvania as a kid, I use to help milk cows, I know what I’m talking about.

Milking cows as a kid gave you an intimate knowledge of how commodity associations, set-asides, write-offs and tariffs work?
If so, you're just the guy to answer my question from earlier: How are farmers being hammered when they are being paid on contract for their product?

We grow a lot of soybeans in our area so it's the soybean associations (aka lobbying groups) who are screeching. But my tenant farmer tells me that 98% of the beans grown in our county are under contract before the first seed goes into the ground. It doesn't matter what the tariff is, the farmers are going to collect the contract. Further he says nobody is suggesting they will be cutting contracts back. It is the corporate BigAg companies who are going all hinky because they're afraid these associations will become useless when fairness is re-introduced in the trade. Cutting subsidies could put them out of business entirely. All a part of cutting the corporate welfare system down and draining the swamp. My farmer friend has made a pretty expansive study of these issues over the nearly 50 years he's been running the farming operation. "When you have to fill several filing cabinet drawers each year to prove to the government that you're not a criminal something has gone way wrong." was his comment to me recently when he stopped by to pick up some more paperwork that needed my signature.

a reply to: Willtell

maybe they should sell something else. say tomato juice. besides, milk sometimes upsets the tummy. Mr.President. Your negotiating skills never stops to amaze me. good job.

a reply to: Willtell

I work in a dairy. I've been doing this for almost 16 years. Trump has nothing to do with the problem.