DNC Chair Tom Perez Declares Socialist Ocasio-Cortez "The Future Of Our Party"

a reply to: eNumbra

Neither would socialism.

The concept of economy is going to have to be rethought from the very ground up.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: eNumbra
Yeah, what’s the surprise in this, or is everyone just clutching pearls and gasping at the thought of “evil socialism” taking over America?

Capitalism at least in the form we have today won’t survive the coming AI/automation revolution, it’s not that some labor will be taken over by robots, given the time and technology there won’t be much, if any labor left for humans to do. The system will change, how bloody the transition will be, wil be up to us.

Yeah, they told us this in the 80's as well. Robots would be doing all the manufacturing. Well, almost 40 years later and robots are only doing a fraction and it is not autonomous by any means. Hell, they can't get self driving little cars to work so I don't think we will have automated trucking anytime soon. Besides kiosk like small scale operations, I don't think we have much to worry about for a long long time.

I didn’t say it would happen tomorrow.

But it will come.

Question is, can a true socialist afford to buy the Democratic Nomination? It's going to take a lot of other people's money.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: eNumbra

Neither would socialism.

The concept of economy is going to have to be rethought from the very ground up.

In all likelyhood yeah, this is an accurate statement, but I think what we’re left with is much closer to what socialism is than what capitalism is, additionally, as automating beings to beat out human labor cost-wise and there is an over-abundance of people for growingly limited number of available jobs; the system will have to adapt in the meantime to one more akin to socialism (or what everyone seems to, technically, misdefine socialism as).

The problem is that we have no plan for what’s coming, little to no forward thinking and every time we see stuff like this, I.e. “Ooga booga, socialism” it stifles real discussion among the greater populace and continues kicking the problem down the road until the inevitable, “what were we thinking” conclusion.

a reply to: eNumbra

In all honesty do you think they will keep us peons around when such time comes? Why would they?

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: eNumbra

In all honesty do you think they will keep us peons around when such time comes? Why would they?

The mines and camps ain't gonna occupy themselves!

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: eNumbra

In all honesty do you think they will keep us peons around when such time comes? Why would they?

They wouldn’t exist when that time comes, us peons would take back control, that’s what the text book definition of socialism is, workers controlling the means of production, rather than just being cogs in the machine.

If it gets that far and nothing’s changed, no, plenty of manufactured conflicts can be started just to thin the herd. Famines, atrocities of varying measure, all easily within their reach as long as people play their game.

a reply to: eNumbra

But socialism literally makes you JUST another cog in the machine, and with robots being the only means of production will mean you are just a useless cog that's been taken out of the machine, effectively being scrap value.

a reply to: eNumbra

Can you name me one country where the poor peons are in charge?


The ruling elites will always be the ruling elites.

The only change we'll ever see is the name on the bank accounts.

The DNC is now an undisputable enemy of the Free World.....let that sink in.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Gothmog

DNC Chair Tom Perez Declares Socialist Ocasio-Cortez "The Future Of Our Party"

What wonderful news for the common , civil , educated folks of the US
Progressives in the US are done
All True Democrats will now move their voting to the center
The Progressives will then complete their sojourn into deep dark depression and insanity.

WINNING.

You are under the assumption that 80-90% of Democrat voters will even hear about this type of thing.

Are you saying Democrats are uninformed ?

a reply to: eNumbra

The problem with that is that humans would not own the means of production. This is a key sticking point for me as i do not wish to simply become kept by the state. Eventually that morphs into being owned by the state.

And since the state owns the means of production to ensure equality, its a corporate-state ownership. A few people and their robots. Or an AI and its horde.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: eNumbra

Neither would socialism.

The concept of economy is going to have to be rethought from the very ground up.

Yeah. It is.

Bitcoin is not a drop in the pan.

That said, I still don't get why every day people are defending the right of Republicans to loot them. But this isn't the only forum for the future of this world...It's really just masturbatory thought...from manipulated people.

Still fun though and a way to pass the time...while Trump tanks the economy.

These same people literally said the same thing when Hugo Chavez came to power. If you follow them, there is no wiggle room at all, you are plainly not a thinking person.

Also, I've said it from the beginning that Bernie was nothing more than a puppet version of Trotsky. He was the kindly old, grandfather sent in to soften the image of the communist message. They actually tell you that this is their M.O. and it is exactly how it was carried out. That kindly old grandfather version of soft socialism is already being replaced with the bloodthirsty Stalinist version - and at an extraordinary rate I might add. If you know your history you know what is coming next.

originally posted by: sooth
Also, I've said it from the beginning that Bernie was nothing more than a puppet version of Trotsky. He was the kindly old, grandfather sent in to soften the image of the communist message. They actually tell you that this is their M.O. and it is exactly how it was carried out. That kindly old grandfather version of soft socialism is already being replaced with the bloodthirsty Stalinist version - and at an extraordinary rate I might add. If you know your history you know what is coming next.

When did a politician threaten people with healthcare?

And who the # is Trotsky? Does your high school have history books that mine didn't?

a reply to: MemoryShock

I do not chime in here very often, but I have to ask if this is a serious question. I guess history books in your neck of the woods are different. Leon Trotsky was a member of the first communist politburo, and a leader of the Bolshevik revolution. Who is Trotsky? Are you serious?

Well free stuff for everyone is a much easier sell than, We will curtail the 1st amendment, get rid of the 2nd amendment, raise your taxes, and open the borders to all.

Its proof that the Democrats really don't have a platform they think will reach independents anymore.

Has anyone researched if she is a legal citizen or not ?

a reply to: MemoryShock

And who the # is Trotsky? Does your high school have history books that mine didn't?

Apparently:

Leon Trotsky

And apparently your high school didn't have Google either.