The Laser AK-47, no more bullets !!

a reply to: andy06shake

That can see the beam...

So... NONE OF THEM in other words... Brilliant.

Might want to oh idk... Actually know something about weapons before you comment on them.

P.S. no, this isn't particularly all that much of a threat and definitely not an unanticipated one.

Nor are such things anything approaching "new".

Also calling it a laser AK, yeah what are we 7?

I miss the old posters who actually knew stuff lol

a reply to: roguetechie

night vision can see lasers.

a reply to: roguetechie

Aye coz you know the inside and out of a prototype foreign beam weapon. LoL

Laser guided smart bombs can home in on targets by seeing the scatter of the beam why would it be any different with a sniper plus appropriate scope?

Tell you what you have the child's toy and i will have the Barrett M107 see who loses there head first.

BANG! LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: roguetechie

Aye coz you know the inside and out of a prototype foreign beam weapon. LoL

Laser guided smart bombs can home in on targets by seeing the scatter of the beam why would it be any different with a sniper plus appropriate scope?

Tell you what you have the child's toy and i will have the Barrett M107 see who loses there head first.

BANG! LoL

Well the article did say it’s a non visible spectrum laser but as Zaph showed its to be taken with a massive grain of salt, I’m sure you’ve made 1000yard+ shots.... What is the point in saying it can be countered by a long range sniper shot? it could be but there’s always a way to counter a threat given sufficient time, warning, creativity and resources, the problem comes when you don’t. Keeping a shoulder fired laser on someone at half a mile would be pretty problematic I imagine especially if you can’t see the beam which at a half mile with even a visible spectrum there’s no way you’re going to see it unless the beam is so dispersed as to be useless in anything but dazzling. The Soviets had a space laser pistol with piezo electric gunpowder powered laser “rounds” and it failed to set the world the world on fire so to speak...

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: andy06shake

Alright ... So I'll use NX8 and DBAL equipped work gun and my employer provided NODS...

Not sure what you're gonna use though... Maybe someone will loan you something...

Also ... By the time you set up your mile plus shot I'll be wolf loping in past the 750 meter mark where you're gonna have to calc your scope dope and etc with bullets crashing around you (unless you forget your kill flash in which case I'll have already put 77 grains of LOLNOPE through the front of your skull)

BTW... I'm a VERY GOOD SHOT and i do not shoot past 800 because it's just more work than fun. A mile is 1600 meters in case you didn't know, and while you technically CAN reach out and touch someone with a Barrett at that range... You're talking skill finesse favorable and stable windage the right temperature between not too hot and not too cold preferably an altitude both above sea level and definitely above your target as well as preferably along the right compass heading so you're not calculating in both secondary effects that CAN come into play from the rotation of the planet..

Also, you'd really be much better off attempting such a shot with a 338 Lapua or etc.. aka something actually designed for that kinda shots and coming out of an action that's quite frankly just far less of a compromise than the barret short recoil guns.


And yes Yuppa dependent upon just where in the spectrum it's radiating it may in fact be visible in some night vision and IR stuff depending upon some factors. Though I'm thinking it's probably pulsed so you're also dealing with it quite likely not being an always on steady state thing.


P.S. Andy the things you're actually looking for are commonly referred to as LWR Laser warning Receivers which are usually integrated into vetronics and avionics packages with a pretty decent percentage of the modern systems being able to auto track back and punch out multispectral smoke / other soft kill options as well as slew to cue an RWS or etc directly onto the lazing originating point.

And yeah, if you have paid attention to what's been coming out of NDIA the Army Research Lab and etc from about 2014 onwards there's been very heavy prioritization of various things needed to defang this stuff. Also coincidentally because of the IED situation for the last almost 2 decades western troops are actually pretty well protected from toe to about Adam's apple already against such threats. The synthetic textiles used for pretty much every bit of issue gear are at least mandatory no melt/no drip certified to levels that should make these pretty poor weapons against our people for anything but blinding attacks.

a reply to: BigDave-AR
"I’m sure you’ve made 1000yard+ shots"

Aye, maybe in "Sniper 4" LoL

It's interesting technology, probably even has its place terrorizing/blinding/immolating(Questionable) protestors and civilians, but it's hardly a deterrent against conventional weapons, not yet anyway.

But it's not supposed to be hence the nonlethal classification.

a reply to: roguetechie

Like i said interesting tech, nothing more, nothing less.

Beam weapons simply don't have a man-portable viable power supply......yet.

P.S We don't have the necessity nor access to military grade hardware in this country, thank god, so yeh someone will indeed have to loan me something, but you're still getting the child's toy.

a reply to: BigDave-AR

Thanks Dave...

I kinda feel compelled to point out too that while in theory you can track a beam back to it's source in NODs (only after dork though so I guess daylight attacks don't count or something) there's that tiny matter of even with a gen3+ pvs-14 type single tube setup your depth perception is wonky as hell and your total field of view isn't exactly expansive. (Not exactly expansive is code for fighting through a soda straw)

If you want outside those limitations you're talking AN-PVS 31, O'Gara pvs-21's, or the quad tube deals which are the rolls Royce of NVG's and will cost you as much as an extremely nice brand new truck... But even the "cheap" sets on this list run between $22,000 & $35,000 for a full setup and maybe some extra batteries. (And the quad tube jobbies are something like $48,000 a whack which doesn't cover the battlefield computing rig or HUD upgrades you can get for 21's and the quad tube deals)

Anyway, the point here primarily is that "the night vision trick" is extremely limited and nowhere near a gimme. There are people good enough to do it even with an older pvs-7, but they're pretty much the cool kids who actually have the big boy toys anyway.

a reply to: andy06shake

Oh it's extremely neat actually... If I had to guess I'd say they're pulsing it and doing one or more other cool things on the inside of it.

I'd love to get ahold of one to tear down I can tell you that! Really it's a little concerning but more for the Chinese citizens than western military personnel.

You're still missing the point me and Dave have been kinda working at pointing out though...

My buddy and I were kicking this around last night and this is just so incredibly over hyped it's unreal and really it indicates poor choices and decisions in development in a few pretty key ways.

1. 800 meters? LOLNOPE
So to start with in order to be able to set clothing or paper on fire with under 3 seconds of sustained energy being dumped in the same spot you're looking at a beam diameter that could be as much as 15 or 20 cm at this distance. That's kinda both good and bad. Plainly put, humans are twitchy and humans under stress are way more twitchy, when it comes to man portable weapons systems and achieving a desired accuracy level developers use this thing called an error budget to figure out how accurate the mechanical guts and Various steps in the firing cycle need to happen.

So you're probably thinking yeah but this is a fargin' laser no drop no windage no leading the target no problem!

Right?

Unfortunately, not even close to right! Realistically this is actually going to be HARDER than teaching someone to freegun a full caliber belt fed off the bipod at 800 meters by almost an order of magnitude. The reason for this is that you have basically no visual or other input to help you "walk onto target" like tracers or just puffs of dust and etc. You also have the worst possible situation in for ergonomics etc in that your "gun" is heavy, bulky, and quite possibly most importantly doesn't provide a counterforce to kinda work against when attempting to get the spot onto the target and keep it there. Believe it or not that's actually fairly important for humans. We work better when there's resistance against relatively fine motions, why I do not know I just know it exists. For obvious reasons you are going to also want to be ridiculously careful putting optics on these things which basically means you're shooting over open sights at least 80% of the time and modern humans just don't really have the eyesight for that kinda shenanigans these days.

This paragraph above is nowhere close to inclusive of all the issues but do you know what it cover depressingly completely?

All the ways to any sort of cheaply or simply compensate for the massive amounts of human error that all man portable systems have to dedicate every resource possible in attempts to mitigate it!
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a reply to: andy06shake

We'll get the power supplies though... I'm pretty sure that we're way closer than people think we are on that score actually. We just funded a 100 kilowatt demonstrator fibre laser mounted on an MTVR this year here in the US actually...

a reply to: roguetechie

We will develop the tech at some point, or someone else will.

But like i said "bring me the Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watts(that not much really)range".

Smart bullets will probably be doing the "Rounds" a while before we master the necessary power requirements for proper Lazar/Maser weaponry of the man-portable variety.

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: andy06shake

Alright ... So I'll use NX8 and DBAL equipped work gun and my employer provided NODS...

Not sure what you're gonna use though... Maybe someone will loan you something...

Also ... By the time you set up your mile plus shot I'll be wolf loping in past the 750 meter mark where you're gonna have to calc your scope dope and etc with bullets crashing around you (unless you forget your kill flash in which case I'll have already put 77 grains of LOLNOPE through the front of your skull)

BTW... I'm a VERY GOOD SHOT and i do not shoot past 800 because it's just more work than fun. A mile is 1600 meters in case you didn't know, and while you technically CAN reach out and touch someone with a Barrett at that range... You're talking skill finesse favorable and stable windage the right temperature between not too hot and not too cold preferably an altitude both above sea level and definitely above your target as well as preferably along the right compass heading so you're not calculating in both secondary effects that CAN come into play from the rotation of the planet..

Also, you'd really be much better off attempting such a shot with a 338 Lapua or etc.. aka something actually designed for that kinda shots and coming out of an action that's quite frankly just far less of a compromise than the barret short recoil guns.


And yes Yuppa dependent upon just where in the spectrum it's radiating it may in fact be visible in some night vision and IR stuff depending upon some factors. Though I'm thinking it's probably pulsed so you're also dealing with it quite likely not being an always on steady state thing.


P.S. Andy the things you're actually looking for are commonly referred to as LWR Laser warning Receivers which are usually integrated into vetronics and avionics packages with a pretty decent percentage of the modern systems being able to auto track back and punch out multispectral smoke / other soft kill options as well as slew to cue an RWS or etc directly onto the lazing originating point.

And yeah, if you have paid attention to what's been coming out of NDIA the Army Research Lab and etc from about 2014 onwards there's been very heavy prioritization of various things needed to defang this stuff. Also coincidentally because of the IED situation for the last almost 2 decades western troops are actually pretty well protected from toe to about Adam's apple already against such threats. The synthetic textiles used for pretty much every bit of issue gear are at least mandatory no melt/no drip certified to levels that should make these pretty poor weapons against our people for anything but blinding attacks.

Lmao "look at my wang!!! "

I don't give the report much credence but christ put your prick away....

In the case it was something the whole point is to deploy it where you don't know its there or where irs coming from...

Brag all you want but if dontt know I'm there, my shots make no sound, no flash, and no smoke.... Unless I give my positions away, or barring infrared observation..... You're not gonna know where I'm at.....

Ugh this amount of bravado is one thing I don't miss about all the people who heard I was in the military......

Tuck your epeen in

thst being said..... Sounds like lazer tag would be more efficient

a reply to: andy06shake

Actually the nonlethal classification is more about there being actual stuff in multiple treaties specifically prohibiting deliberately blinding people. Which makes it even more creepy IMO.

a reply to: roguetechie

Definitely going to take someone's eye out, no contention there.

War is war, deliberately blinding people amounts to the same or similar to deliberately killing i suppose.

But it's not exactly sportsmanlike, creepy just about covers such weaponry.

Then again once it actually does what it says on the tin, everybody is going to probably want one.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I take this report as them basically saying yeah we did it in Djibouti and you're not gonna do S*** about it so STFU & go cry in the corner!

That's kinda the consensus of all the China watcher types I've talked to and yes ...

And Congratulations on spotting the irritated guy who got told he doesn't know what he's talking about by a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Deciding to come after someone who does actually have useful input to contribute to a thread that was pretty devoid of such makes just about as much sense as kicking yourself in the junk because you couldn't get it up last night by the way... (You went with the wang references first so I'll speak your language in return so that maybe we can come to some sort of mutual understanding here)

You might actually have had a point if I just said what I said to posture and nothing else, however that's not even remotely what I did. I may have come back irritated and doing nothing to hide said irritation but I also very much threw in a bunch of information that will actually be extremely helpful to anyone who reads this thread looking to learn something. I included what's why's how's and where's in spades for anyone with the inclination to follow up.

That wasn't a my prick is bigger than yours post, it was a you're really wrong and should listen when I tell you so this time and here's why you should listen post.

ATS at one point had a really good posting crew in this corner of the forums who put out pretty good and information dense posts, this isn't the case anymore, and I'd like to see it get back to at least being better than Democratic underground, mother Jones, or dailykos when it comes to zoomies rumblies shooties splodeys and boomys!

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah the DOD is putting decent amounts of money into ways to protect not just our actual personnel's eyes but also things like our image intensification (night vision), IR, and etc channels on vehicle and individual electro optical systems. They've been working at this for quite awhile though, so hopefully they're close to successful implementations!

Especially since electro optical stuff is stupid expensive!

When it comes to ground systems they are pretty literally MOST of the cost of entire vehicles pretty frequently!

One example being the 30x173 Bushmaster cannon armed Protector turret upgrades being done to interim brigades in Europe etc at something stupid crazy like 5 million dollars a pop most of which is the EO system.

a reply to: roguetechie

We still do and if you'll recall many of us are prior military.....

The point was how you talked down to the person for posting the information.....

Don't be so intent that that you know what you know, that you might can learn something as well...

Remember reading about it, found the prototype link:

a reply to: manuelram16

So if this guy can make this, just think what they already have in prototype or even in black ops that we don't know about.