North Korea steps up production of nuclear bomb fuels despite US talks

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: face23785

We can go without them for a few months.

"Indefinitely" = a few months?
www.reuters.com... 1JI2YV

Yeah. We can hope. That's about it. If that doesn't work Trump can always start calling Kim names again.

Indefinitely doesn't mean permanently. If we don't see progress we can start them back up no problem. It won't take long to see if they're serious about seeking a peaceful solution. I estimate a few months, could be longer, maybe to the end of the year. But we gave no promise to never, ever hold drills with South Korea again.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

On Christmass day?

I imagine it may very well has indeed, at some point, but my point, is that it's not very lightly.

Iran being next on the hitlist, well that's a distinct possibility really.

Wait for it, wait for iiiit.

I told you.


Kimmy got something he wanted, the US walked away thinking they accomplished something.

Nothing was accomplished other than Kimmy walked away with something he wanted, that likely couldn't have been taken back as easily as mere words can be. He got something tangible, physical perhaps.

Now we start the guessing game of what "it" was. Money? Food? Less sanctions? A reach around? Your guess is as good as mine, but NK has had decades of practice at manipulating their foes into giving them what they want. They definitely walked away with more then we did.

a reply to: DieGloke

North Korea steps up production of nuclear bomb fuels despite US talks

this should say despite "Star Wars"

seeing as star wars was built to prevent any missile being fired anywhere on the planet,
this is similar to the planes on 24 hour standby at andrews air force base to prevent any attack on the white house this base is only 250 miles from new york a

and suddenly the air force couldn't be bothered to stop the second plane hitting the towers.
Lies Lies Lies everywhere!

a reply to: Nyiah

Kimmy got something he wanted, the US walked away thinking they accomplished something.

No-one thought Trump accomplished anything positive but Trump.

a reply to: jinni73

seeing as star wars was built to prevent any missile being fired anywhere on the planet,

Only in your imagination. The SDI or "Star Wars" project had never been fully developed, much less deployed. There are "theater missile" systems that can intercept tactical weapons, but that is hardly "any missile being fired anywhere is the world."

this is similar to the planes on 24 hour standby at andrews air force base to prevent any attack on the white house this base is only 250 miles from new york a

and suddenly the air force couldn't be bothered to stop the second plane hitting the towers.

You need to identify a threat before you can respond to it. There can be hundreds of planes in the air over or near New York City at any given time. How can you tell which one is a threat rapidly enough to scramble a fighter jet and get it there in time, given Andrews is still a half hour's flight away?

a reply to: DJW001


Any remotely honest person would see this for what it is. Kim has said for as long as he has been in power that he wants to be seen as an equal with the big players in the world. And it pissed him off that he was being written-off as some minor player. The big NK summit gave him exactly what he has been after from the start: massive positive press coverage on the world stage. Anyone that actually believed that he would spend decades developing a nuclear capability, achieve that goal, and then immediately agree to abandon it has got to be an uber-dullard.

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: DJW001


Any remotely honest person would see this for what it is. Kim has said for as long as he has been in power that he wants to be seen as an equal with the big players in the world. And it pissed him off that he was being written-off as some minor player. The big NK summit gave him exactly what he has been after from the start: massive positive press coverage on the world stage. Anyone that actually believed that he would spend decades developing a nuclear capability, achieve that goal, and then immediately agree to abandon it has got to be an uber-dullard.

Many of us were skeptical he would really give them up. This was a necessary step because the next step is going to be military action. Don't you think it was wise to try diplomacy first, no matter how small the chance of success?

originally posted by: Nyiah
Wait for it, wait for iiiit.



Now we start the guessing game of what "it" was. Money? Food? Less sanctions? A reach around? Your guess is as good as mine, but NK has had decades of practice at manipulating their foes into giving them what they want. They definitely walked away with more then we did.

So now we're making # up?

All he got was recognition. If that was the price we had to pay for even a small chance at a peaceful solution, I'm glad we paid it. If it doesn't work out, that sucks, because people are going to die.

All the people celebrating that this didn't work are the same ones who would've been bitching up a storm if we just attacked him without trying diplomacy first.

More liberals hoping Kim Jong lies and gets nuclear weapons so they can bash Trump.

Kim gave more than we did(meeting time, it cost us nothing) and now to avoid looking like a grovelling dog in face of getting nothing so far besides maintained sanctions.

We still have sanctions, and they still have nukes(who exactly is surprised by this?) until the actual deal is signed.

Is this monday morning news?

a reply to: Butterfinger

Just another day for the MSN.

So the same 'intelligence agency sources' that have been wrong about Trump since 2015 are now credible?

I guess they are testing their options though...

Link

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Can we say...

SUCKER ! ! !

Like Obama thinking Iran stopped its secret nuclear weapons program? Like to state how many millions was funneled back into Iran? And what those millions went to? Vs Trump being in for a hotel bill or something.......

originally posted by: face23785
Many of us were skeptical he would really give them up. This was a necessary step because the next step is going to be military action. Don't you think it was wise to try diplomacy first, no matter how small the chance of success?

Not according to Trump. You don't recall him bashing all previous administrations because they favored the diplomatic route? You don't remember him ridiculing his own Sect of State saying diplomacy was a waste of time? Donald got all squishy inside when people started talking Nobel Peace Prize and that he'd be making history. That's precisely when he pulled his 180. The uncomfortable fact is, he got pwned.

Trump's approach to Kim was fundamentally misconceived.

He thought he could dangle the prospect of development in front of Kim and that would be an inducement to disarm. Trump doesn't realize that development would be a death knell for the Kim regime, or he does realize it but thinks that Kim is so naive that he doesn't realize it. I think Trump is wrong. I think Kim knows very well that development would initiate the fall of the Kim regime. The reasons for that are obvious to me and they must be obvious to Kim.

The chief among them is that development would, of necessity, entail decentralization of power. Running a diverse economy is not like running a nation of military fiefdoms.

China is not North Korea writ large. Xi is not a dynastic leader. He might be a dynastic wannabe, but that is completely unrealistic in the modern age.

The only significant dynasty in the modern world is the House of Windsor and they are virtually powerless. Can you imagine the Queen handling Brexit, as a queen? Impossible. (The House of Saud is a special case. They might be thought of as a "race of people" who control the world's biggest gold mine.)

The United States is going to have to move along to Plan B. They might want to start by seeing if they could generate some enthusiasm in Japan for a confrontation with China and Russia. If they can't do that, they are going to diminish greatly as an influence in the western Pacific.

This might be one reason Kim appears to be hanging Trump out to dry.

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: face23785
Many of us were skeptical he would really give them up. This was a necessary step because the next step is going to be military action. Don't you think it was wise to try diplomacy first, no matter how small the chance of success?

Not according to Trump. You don't recall him bashing all previous administrations because they favored the diplomatic route? You don't remember him ridiculing his own Sect of State saying diplomacy was a waste of time? Donald got all squishy inside when people started talking Nobel Peace Prize and that he'd be making history. That's precisely when he pulled his 180. The uncomfortable fact is, he got pwned.

He tried a completely different approach than anyone else has tried. The same old thing for 20 years didn't work, and doing nothing for 8 years during Obama didn't work. If he didn't try anything, everyone would be whining about how we didn't try diplomacy when we conduct military strikes. We tried. It would benefit Un much more to play ball with us, but if this is the route he wants to go, we can do that too. His best best for regime survival was to make a deal.

a reply to: face23785
Oh please. Yea, he tried something different: He gave Kim the world recognition Kim wanted. No previous President wanted to legitimize the regime. What did we get? Clearly not the denuclearization we were after or that Trump announced as being a 'done deal'.

a reply to: face23785

If he didn't try anything, everyone would be whining about how we didn't try diplomacy when we conduct military strikes.

So you are saying he is preparing to jump start the Korean War?

a reply to: DJW001

You need to identify a threat before you can respond to it.

and the first plane flying into the twin towers is not a sign that would lead to an immediate scrambling of american defense forces especially as they can see another plane came off of its flight path if you think they can not see where every plane is in the sky and if one deviates they would not know about it then maybe there's no hope.

the time it takes to scramble a jet from an identified threat is 90 seconds a plane flying between 1500-1600 mph covering a distance of 250 miles does not add up to 15 minutes which is the time gap form first plane striking to second plane


this is just simple maths using what the military tells us, and then you have the blatant cover up in the official investigation.

anyone who wants to work this out will come to the same conclusion as me and others and that means the american military 100% allowed the second attack to happen
Fact

forget who carried out the attacks.

Only in your imagination. The SDI or "Star Wars" project had never been fully developed, much less deployed. There are "theater missile" systems that can intercept tactical weapons, but that is hardly "any missile being fired anywhere is the world.

The GEC-Marconi scientist deaths conspiracy theory states that between 1982 and 1990 twenty-five British-based GEC-Marconi scientists and engineers who worked on the Sting Ray torpedo project and other United States Strategic Defense Initiative related projects (better known as Star Wars) died under mysterious circumstances.

so 25 scientists killed who worked on the original project,
60 metal storm guns set up all over the planet that can fire hundreds of thousands of bullets a second
3 nuclear bombs taken out of the sky a few months ago when they were launched at hawaii.

and then you have got kim jong un who went to school in switzerland, he is not going to make any friends and he will not of been targetted by the ruling classes knowing he is going to become the next leader of korea, they are all working together to keep you in fear its all BS

I had a friend that went to sandhurst and he overheard a group of rich kids plotting how they were going to screw over the general population in order to keep their money. you know they do poison us in virtually every single way they can

and star wars is still operational even though it does not work, come on.