North Korea/USA Vs Russia

1 of 3 of N Korean borders is with Russia its north eastern NK isolated and with N Koreas advanced hacking unit (Sony etc Is it possible that it's actually North Korea that is doing all the meddling in elections pointing the finger at Russia? NK gains Russia or China could claim back borders with Russia gone a new Asian dynasty is born
The clues are there I'm probably wrong?

I'm pretty sure you're right - that you're probably wrong.

My thinking is that NK's cyber capabilities would be wasted on Russia, but China, Japan, EU... all seem better targets for cyber attacks.

I Propose that NK as an ally brings us closer to China as an ally (since they want a guarantor role in negotiations) and that Trump could completely shatter traditional relations by embracing our oldest enemies (Russia/Cuba, China/NK) and our staunchest allies like Japan and SA. Not saying we should make new enemies of our old allies, just that a winning deal for the world means everybody benefits - except for certain economic sectors like graft, trafficking, gangs, pedos, psychos...

In a "Post Truth" world, does it really matter if we are allies with Oceania, Eastasia, or Eurasia?
Like many socio-economic phenomena, "globalism" is a useful component when properly moderated.
We've already got global communications, media, travel, and economy - does society require more "globalization"?

ganjoa

originally posted by: ganjoa
Trump could completely shatter traditional relations by embracing our oldest enemies (Russia/Cuba, China/NK)

The Nixon approach was U.S.A. and China to hold back Russia. I still think that's a better idea.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Pretty sure that was the USSR.

It doesn't exist anymore, FYI.

a reply to: TruthsSword
A change of name does not change the strategic realities. The state centred on Moscow has been exercising its muscles against western Europe for more than two and a half centuries, ever since the War of the Austrian Succession. Its ambitions did not suddenly spring into life when it became the U.S.S.R. and die out again when the Soviet Union broke up.
That entity is ALWAYS worth watching carefully.

a reply to: DISRAELI

A wee bit more than a change of name, one would think.

But yes, I forgot. Omfg the Russians are coming!!!11!

originally posted by: TruthsSword
a reply to: DISRAELI

A wee bit more than a change of name, one would think.

But yes, I forgot. Omfg the Russians are coming!!!11!

They are already here, right 2016.2.11?

a reply to: TruthsSword
The change of name did nothing to change their spots.
They have been the aspirant "gendarmes of Europe" for two and a half centuries (three, if we count the foundations laid by Peter the Great), and making light of that permanent threat just shows ignorance of history.

a reply to: DISRAELI

It's a completely different entity.

If you're so worried about history repeating, should you not be more worried about Germany? Perhaps Turkey?

The panic is real, isn't it?

a reply to: TruthsSword
I refer you to my previous answer.

Anything is possible, probable is the issue. I am sure that North Korea did try to do some interference, but I doubt if it actually did anything, remember, Kim would have probably rather have had the Dems in charge, they let him do what he wanted.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Anything is possible, probable is the issue. I am sure that North Korea did try to do some interference, but I doubt if it actually did anything, remember, Kim would have probably rather have had the Dems in charge, they let him do what he wanted.

I thought Hillary was a war monger. How things have changed.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: rickymouse
Anything is possible, probable is the issue. I am sure that North Korea did try to do some interference, but I doubt if it actually did anything, remember, Kim would have probably rather have had the Dems in charge, they let him do what he wanted.

I thought Hillary was a war monger. How things have changed.

Hillary is a war Monger, but she wanted war with Russia, North Korea wasn't worthy of a Hillary war.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Four hundred years and counting? Or something like that...and they get closer to it, nearly every time.

Putin would dearly love to become Vlad the Great, or something of the sort. Do I think they're going to relapse into the big bad Soviet Union? No. But become more of a player? Yes.

a reply to: Ta1nTeDJuSt1cE

Yes you are.



Wrong.

a reply to: TruthsSword

It doesn't exist anymore

In name.
In every other respect it does.

a reply to: TruthsSword

They've arrived babe. Now what are you going to do about it?

Thanks for getting involved
I think it's to easy to blame Russia
North Korean cyber attacks were quite sophisticated they have a whole unit devoted to this stuff 2013/Banking atms and mobile banking in the UK suspected N Korea of doing serious damage to parts of the Nhs and other organisations and of course Sony and so much more so shouldn't we look more closely at there cyber network globally we are more likely to be attacked online then by a nuke imo

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: TruthsSword
The change of name did nothing to change their spots.
They have been the aspirant "gendarmes of Europe" for two and a half centuries (three, if we count the foundations laid by Peter the Great), and making light of that permanent threat just shows ignorance of history.

This may very well be true. However... taken in the following context...

The Nixon approach was U.S.A. and China to hold back Russia. I still think that's a better idea.

I think that there are other factors to consider.

Ok, so you say the Russian entity has not changed.
What about the Chinese? Have they changed in any meaningful way since Nixon's day?