U.K. House of Lords gives Parliament a say on May's Britex Deal

A serious blow to EU supporters in the U.K., as Parliament can block(?) May's efforts in dealing with the EU. It does raise the question of whether that same House can use this to delay leaving the EU?

Looks like a two-edged sword, potentially. Can someone clarify the ramifications of this decision by the House of Lords?

At least on the surface of it, Between NK-US accord and this empowerment, it's been a fairly good week.

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originally posted by: nwtrucker
A serious blow to EU supporters in the U.K., as Parliament can block(?) May's efforts in dealing with the EU. It does raise the question of whether that same House can use this to delay leaving the EU?

Looks like a two-edged sword, potentially. Can someone clarify the ramifications of this decision by the House of Lords?

At least on the surface of it, Between NK-US accord and this empowerment, it's been a fairly good week.

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It's far more of a blow to the pro Brexit supporters as the general belief is that May would accept a no deal exit to appease the anti eu element in her party,

Leaving without a deal is seen as unlikely to pass a vote in Parliament.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I do not really get it.

UK has triggered Article Something by the EU book of rules, which will automatically kick UK out of EU by a fixed date. Right?

Now this will happen totally independent of what UK parliament or Lords say. The membership in the EU customs union is gone morning of the dead line date - and the ”deal” is, or is not, there by that date.

Deal has its own life and time schedule, nice if its there by the kick-off, but nothing says it needs to.

UK MP’s must be aware of this, right?

a reply to: deckdel

UK MP's are not aware of anything much, like how people who actually have a job go through their lives, what nurses do on their shift, what its like to have a leg blown off serving ones country, having to decide what one can and cannot buy this week, what the difference is between 2 % of $9,000 is and what 2 % of $90,000 is.

Essentially what this means is that the anti Brexit people (The majority of the unelected House of Lords and the Majority of the elected House of Commons) can vote down any attempt to leave the EU that is meaningful.

Really, there seems to be not much point in voting for anything anymore. The Rulers and their scared slaves are determined to keep us in this undemocratic nightmare of an organisation.

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: nwtrucker

I do not really get it.

UK has triggered Article Something by the EU book of rules, which will automatically kick UK out of EU by a fixed date. Right?

Now this will happen totally independent of what UK parliament or Lords say. The membership in the EU customs union is gone morning of the dead line date - and the ”deal” is, or is not, there by that date.

Deal has its own life and time schedule, nice if its there by the kick-off, but nothing says it needs to.

UK MP’s must be aware of this, right?

Yes and no.

If the UK does nothing then at a set point it will leave the EU. However the process can be extended.

If a vote goes against the government they would have to either ask for extension or comeback with an alternative proposal.

There is of course no guarantee the EU would give an extension.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Not sure but the conservatives have effectively silenced Scotlands voice in teh Brexit deals !

and through the 15 minute vote power grab !

tories power grab

and then you have tories hecklign with shouts of "suicide"

Suicide

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: nwtrucker

I do not really get it.

UK has triggered Article Something by the EU book of rules, which will automatically kick UK out of EU by a fixed date. Right?

Now this will happen totally independent of what UK parliament or Lords say. The membership in the EU customs union is gone morning of the dead line date - and the ”deal” is, or is not, there by that date.

Deal has its own life and time schedule, nice if its there by the kick-off, but nothing says it needs to.

UK MP’s must be aware of this, right?

I have no idea. You know more about this than I do. In general, this side of the pond is nowhere near as adept at this sort of thing...

a reply to: ScepticScot

So rather than a good thing, it's more of a new complication that can mess things up even more so than now?

a reply to: nwtrucker

The UK is a strong nation with a strong economy. The EU will do everything it can to stall and overturn Brexit. The EU cannot exist without strong nations to pay for the weaker (economy) nations.

a reply to: DBCowboy

strong economy ? the one that's been under austerity measures for a decade ?

that same economy that was strong enough to withstand the housing market crash of america and the following global recession that "strong" economy!

our economy is hinging by a thread ! and Brexit only spells disaster for many businesses in the UK and also a lot of peoples money only those who are making the deals will come out with anything in their pockets !

So basically the tories and their pals are the only people to benefit from Brexit!

a reply to: sapien82

Strong may be a relative term in relation to the other EU countries.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Boo!

Brexit will leave this nation on its arse for the next few decades at the very least!

As to the NK-US accord, well that's all well and good, if your penchant is simple windows dressing for the masses.

originally posted by: [post=23486561]sapien82
our economy is hinging by a thread ! and Brexit only spells disaster for many businesses in the UK

It like waking up in a bad dream this Brexit stuff. Landyrover now going to make Discovery in the EU (Slovakia) now moving out of the UK. Expect loads more to go. They thought Dragons Den to reflash the kids and set up business to get the dole queues down but it all turned out avfarce

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nwtrucker

Boo!

Brexit will leave this nation on its arse for the next few decades at the very least!

As to the NK-US accord, well that's all well and good, if your penchant is simple windows dressing for the masses.

OK. Which is better? Going through a rough transition or selling your culture and nation to a 'higher authority'? it's your call, not ours. As far as NK goes, I have similar reservations. Yet, this time it's deal or die. By a President that has painted himself as willing to go either way. That, sir, is a powerful incentive. Hope remains.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

"OK. Which is better? Going through a rough transition or selling your culture and nation to a 'higher authority'?"

No need to sell our culture though, the point is the EU should have been a collection of many cultures and ideologies that operate collectively and to the betterment of all participating nations.

Trumps ready to start a shooting war over in NK at the drop of a hat should either one of the two nations decide to toss their toys out the pram, if for nothing more than another 4 years in office.

Hope floats granted, but when the people promoting said hope are of the caliber of Trump and little Kim one has to wonder if the Titanic is somewhere on the horizon.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nwtrucker

"OK. Which is better? Going through a rough transition or selling your culture and nation to a 'higher authority'?"

No need to sell our culture though, the point is the EU should have been a collection of many cultures and ideologies that operate collectively and to the betterment of all participating nations.

Trumps ready to start a shooting war over in NK at the drop of a hat should either one of the two nations decide to toss their toys out the pram, if for nothing more than another 4 years in office.

Hope floats granted, but when the people promoting said hope are of the caliber of Trump and little Kim one has to wonder if the Titanic is somewhere on the horizon.

Matching rhetoric with rhetoric is hardly a Trump invention. Backing up that rhetoric is a delicate matter, to say the least.

I'm quite sure this will never see your side of the pond.(and little on this side, as well) This video was shown to Kim by Trump during the summit. It's slightly down the sites page. It will give pause.

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Landrover were always going to shift production to a cheaper part of the EU. Hell, the EU probably financed the move, just as they did to take the transit factory from the uk to turkey.

Blaming Brexit for this is simply disingenuous.

It's telling that remain have to twist the truth all the time.
if the EU was so good, the simple truth would be good enough.

ETA Construction of the factory began in 2015 thanks to £94Million in the form of a Slovakian grant allowed under the EU rules on state aid. (Note, the UK wouldn't be allowed to do the same in reverse. Yet another illustration of what a crock the EU is).
Sauce

a reply to: SprocketUK

Yeah that is true and they need to keep things spread. They always made the old Landys around the world or assembled by others. But Brexit is having an effect on base to make the down the line next generation of products, hopefully a good deal can be sorted out before things go tits up big style and everyone deserts the UK sinking ship too fond safety in the EU. A person once lived in a cave had there own cave zone, then that became more distant, then you had true communities along countyish lines, then whole Kingdomms................ Here we had Mercia, then came England state then the United Kingdon, finally we carried the prcess forward and we had the EU. As technology grows and trade becomes intertwined grouping peoples together has become the norm, now British want to go the other way, but the tec and the trade is still there and growing between nation but this is going to be ruined by nationalisms of Britihs people. The European continent still is there we can't really leave it it's still and always going to be our next door neighbours but we erect fences for what?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter



Thats a load of twaddle.
The EU membership PROHIBITS us from going out and making trade deals with the rest of the world. It stifles our own industry as it forces us to open our markets to cheaper imports yet doesnt allow us to subsidise our own industries in the way other EU states are allowed to.
We have no representation in the making of laws.
There is not one MEP in the entire parliament who has the right to table a new law or call a vote to rescind one. Not ONE.

It's 2018 we should not be tied to a 50's era soviet style parliament that we cannot have any power over.