Russian Women Trapped into Sex Slavery in the US

Not to minimize this, but it happens all over the planet. South Korea reportedly has lots of 'drinking girls' from russia to service the americans stationed there. The sex slave industry is rife in india apparently also and I've heard its huge in south america too. I'd be more surprised if there weren't a russian sex slave operation in the US.

Well if we would just legalize prostitution than it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

What are you kidding? These women are forced into the sex trade, not doing it on the sly. They're sex slaves. Short of legalizing slavery this will allways be going on and allways be a crime.

[edit on 23-2-2005 by Nygdan]

zabilgy
God bless America, land of the free?

You do realize that these women are brought into the country by russian criminals and are held in secret in russian run brothels, right? It has nothing to do with 'american the land of the free', the whole scheme is illegal.

They can just walk away if they want to.

And be beaten to death and dumped into one of those big garbage bins? They're hear illegally, if they dissapear, no one is ever going to notice. Heck, they're probably snuffed off when they get too old or sick to perform anyway.

They can't just 'walk out'. Are you actually entertaining the notion that they want to be forced sex slaves?

Originally posted by jsobecky
Yeah, sure, and putting telephone numbers inside candy wrappers is going to save them.

You bet it can. They call the number, explain the situation, arrange to get picked up by the police, have the pimps thrown in jail, get medical treatment, etc etc. They also get to find out that they won't be kicked out of the country or thrown into a russian gulag. The government they are used to is no help for them. These are women taken out of not the best places in the world, and holed up in compounds where strangers come to have sex with them for money. They have no idea whats actually going on in the real world. Their entire psychology is either that of the soviet paranoid peasant or the paranoid citizen overrun by criminal thugs. Contacting actual authorities and being able to find out whats actually going on will make a difference.

They can still walk away

Have you ever been savagely beaten to within an inch of your life by a mafia thug? How disrespectful to them do you think you will be next time? Especially when all it gets you is the more greasty and piggish clients?

Walk right into a police station or shelter

Difficult to do that with bullets in your skull.

Sex slaves. Be real

Uh, no, you be real. These people are slaves, understand, slaves. Are you actually going to pretend that if you were taken to saudi arabia, wherupon you were kept in an apartment where dozens of unknown middle eastern men gang banged you every day, multiple times each day, that you'd be able to just walk out? To the saudi authorities? Not speaking the language? Not knowning where to actually go? Or that its easy when the cops from where you are from are actuall part of the criminal entierprise? Who will beat and rape you in the cells before they turn you back over to the pimps and thugs who will then beat you again and put you back to work at a discounted rate? You think that there's an unwillingness to leave involved there somehow? These women are not mere prostitutes who got in over their heads, they are sex slaves. They have no free time to walk out. The ones that do get caught murdered and dumped on the freeway. Where do you think all those 'jane doe's' at the morgue come from?

Don't preach to me about drugs, etc. You're now trying to expand your argument to encompass every conceivable scenario. Pretty weak.

Drugs, threats, whatever. They can still walk away. Walk right into a police station or shelter. Or a TV station. Don't pass off their weakness as an excuse.

It actually is pretty simple, once you've made your mind up. The hard part is weaning yourself from the drugs and false sense of security that the whorehouse gives you.

You've been watching too much LifeTime TV. my friend.

[edit on 23-2-2005 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by Nygdan

Well if we would just legalize prostitution than it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

What are you kidding? These women are forced into the sex trade, not doing it on the sly. They're sex slaves. Short of legalizing slavery this will allways be going on and allways be a crime.
[edit on 23-2-2005 by Nygdan]

I agree that it will always happen to a degree, but legalization would greatly cut down on it. There would be regulation and it wouldn't be as profitable to to have sex slaves. Like the drug war, once you made it legal the black market profit would go down. Big sex slave trade in Amsterdam is there? Or how about certain counties in Nevada?

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by jsobecky
Yeah, sure, and putting telephone numbers inside candy wrappers is going to save them.

You bet it can. They call the number, explain the situation, arrange to get picked up by the police, have the pimps thrown in jail, get medical treatment, etc etc. They also get to find out that they won't be kicked out of the country or thrown into a russian gulag. The government they are used to is no help for them. These are women taken out of not the best places in the world, and holed up in compounds where strangers come to have sex with them for money. They have no idea whats actually going on in the real world. Their entire psychology is either that of the soviet paranoid peasant or the paranoid citizen overrun by criminal thugs. Contacting actual authorities and being able to find out whats actually going on will make a difference.

They can still walk away

Have you ever been savagely beaten to within an inch of your life by a mafia thug? How disrespectful to them do you think you will be next time? Especially when all it gets you is the more greasty and piggish clients?

Walk right into a police station or shelter

Difficult to do that with bullets in your skull.

Sex slaves. Be real

Uh, no, you be real.

On the one hand you say that a telephone number on a candy wrapper is their path to salvation, in the next breath you are saying that they can't walk into a police station.

Which is it, Nygdan? Why is one possible and not the other?

These people are slaves, understand, slaves. Are you actually going to pretend that if you were taken to saudi arabia, wherupon you were kept in an apartment where dozens of unknown middle eastern men gang banged you every day, multiple times each day, that you'd be able to just walk out? To the saudi authorities? Not speaking the language? Not knowning where to actually go? Or that its easy when the cops from where you are from are actuall part of the criminal entierprise? Who will beat and rape you in the cells before they turn you back over to the pimps and thugs who will then beat you again and put you back to work at a discounted rate? You think that there's an unwillingness to leave involved there somehow? These women are not mere prostitutes who got in over their heads, they are sex slaves. They have no free time to walk out. The ones that do get caught murdered and dumped on the freeway. Where do you think all those 'jane doe's' at the morgue come from?

Once again, too much drama TV where everything is settled in one episode. We're not talking about other countries here; the title is "Russian Women Trapped into Sex Slavery in the US".

There are no large spread "sex slave" rings in the US. There are however many sex rings in the US. There is a big difference.

I'm amazed that no one has responded to this yet. Russian women sold into slavery in the United States. Am I the only person bothered by this?

Oh, I thought you were researching it because you WANTED a Russian sex slave...

Just kidding, but thought I'd bring some levity to lighten the mood....

As has been mentioned, such slavery is disgusting, but happens in many places. Shameful to see it here in the US, but hardly surprising. In Asia though, its more the norm than the exception....so I'd recommend not looking there if you wish to not be so disgusted at it...

Help is there if they wish it though, they need to take the first brave step...

Actually slavery was until recent history a very accepted fact of life. Even here in the States slavery was considered a normal part of existence. It is regretable that people can be so cruel to others but it is hardly surprising.
I do not condone it nor do I feel outraged from such behavior. It is human nature for the strongest of us to force our will on others. Just look at the recent sex scandal from the United Nations, Oil for food? What about sex for food! Point made!

You are close to being out of control. Relax.

Sex slaves. Be real.

Monkey Man...I'm close to being out of control? What are you on about? Because my opinion is that your opinion is naive and ignorant makes me out of control? Why don't you BE REAL SMART instead of REAL DUMB!

quote: zabilgy
God bless America, land of the free?
You do realize that these women are brought into the country by russian criminals and are held in secret in russian run brothels, right? It has nothing to do with 'american the land of the free', the whole scheme is illegal.

Nygdan. I started this thread and have you read anything I've posted. My line of "God Bless America, land of the free?" was a joke, thus the question mark. I meant that there are a lot of people in this country who are not free!!...and it sickens me!

Originally posted by jsobecky
Which is it, Nygdan? Why is one possible and not the other?

I do not understand. I am saying that they cannot escape the place where they are whored out from, and have no reason to think that the police will be helpful. Indeed, by your reasoning, they would nad should immediately be thrown in jail for being prostitutes, not protected and resuced from being sex slaves. They themselves might reasonably figure that thats what anyone would treat them like. By being able to contact the police beforehad, or these social services people, the situation can be explained to them.

We're not talking about other countries here; the title is "Russian Women Trapped into Sex Slavery in the US".
They are not russo-americans. They're russian women who think that they are making a deal to become americans and instead are brutalized and made into sex slaves in the US.

There are no large spread "sex slave" rings in the US. There are however many sex rings in the US. There is a big difference.

This is a sex slave ring. These are not 'sex workers' or prostitutes. These are people effectively taken out of their home country and forced, thru the threat of violence, to have sex.

I meant that there are a lot of people in this country who are not free!!...and it sickens me!

The way it was presented was sarcastically, as if to say the country is not a country of free people. These women are held in bondage against their will, they are not free, but that is not americas doing, thats the mobs doing. America is the only reason that any of them are taken out of it.

Okay, lets get the personal sniping under control shall we? Do not throw around nicknames or bait or other nonesence. Lets keep thinks civil shall we?

FredT

OK. Anyone care to post a link showing exactly where these Russian sex slaves are? Otherwise it's just a conspiracy THEORY.

[edit on 2/24/2005 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by Pilate
It's quite well known, to me it seems anyway, that there is a roaring trade in humans, whether as sex workers, organ 'donars' or just slaves.

Generally they come from the poor area's of the world, South America, Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa etc and are lured there by various means. Normally they are just poor refugees trying to make a better life. they lure young russian girls, for example, by saying you will have a job in country X and then ship them off, when they get there they fnd out there is no job, they take their passport and anything esle they have and force them to worse as prostitutes. Other times they take them by force or in numerous other ways. Young muslim girl's are sought after for organs as they are young and don't drink alcohol so things like the liver aren't damaged, and get higher prices. Young children are kidnapped from places where natural disasters happen such as earthquakes and then sold into slavery since their parents died and noone realises they are missing. It's a huge industry really, and it's going on all around us, just most people turn a blind eye or don't notice. After all if your rich and you need a new kidney, you just go to some third world country and buy one since your not allowed to in the Western world. Welcome to the real world

Human trafficking is common - probably expanding because of the internet.

Pilate is right - the sex trade is only one small part of it.

There's ordinary slaves for labor (mining and agriculture), kid slaves for the militaries, slaves for organ harvesting, and kids for harvesting stem cells from.

The last one should really grind everyone - the reason for using kids is that for stem cell therapies to work, you need LOTS of them to inject - plus kids stem cells have longer "telomeres" so it's like getting an "immortality" injection. ...and guess who can afford this kind of treatment?



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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by jsobecky
Which is it, Nygdan? Why is one possible and not the other?

I do not understand. I am saying that they cannot escape the place where they are whored out from, and have no reason to think that the police will be helpful. Indeed, by your reasoning, they would nad should immediately be thrown in jail for being prostitutes, not protected and resuced from being sex slaves. They themselves might reasonably figure that thats what anyone would treat them like. By being able to contact the police beforehad, or these social services people, the situation can be explained to them.

Now I see what you meant...and it makes sense. The only problem I see is having access to a phone where they can make that call from.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Now I see what you meant...and it makes sense.

I figured that I was being unclear or something because I didn't think you were going to be thinking irrationally.

The only problem I see is having access to a phone where they can make that call from.

I'd expect that they don't have a handler with them at all times, and that there might be areas where they are perhaps guarded but unattended and teh like.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Oh, I thought you were researching it because you WANTED a Russian sex slave...

Hey, I want one of those, but only if she wants me.

From our perspective it's difficult to imagine why you would not just walk or run away, but I think besides the threat of being hurt they have no support system when they're in a foreign country. Our system may hurt them more than help them as it would probably jail them & send them back into the hands of those who sent them here in the first place. Most of all they are mentally slaves and they cannot escape that without somehow becoming educated enough to escape their binds - those that exploit them know this & thus probably shield them from any information that might educate them enough to be able to walk away.

I suppose it's allot like women who are abused by their boyfriends or husbands but never leave or if you like, imagine being a child being abused by your parents and they are all you know where are you going to go if you know little of the world around you or who are you going to tell if they never let you out of their site?







[edit on 25-2-2005 by outsider]

Sex slaves. Be real.

So you dont believe sex slaves are real? they are a fabrication?...damn your naive. Sex slavery rings or underground orginization have existed throughout time and continue to exist...how can you deny this with a straight face...ive heard of being optomistic about certain things but give me a break! tell that to the poor women and children forced into this lifestyle.

Does anyone see Bush creating the kind of fuss over the US 'sex industry' in the same way he and his gang have made their little digs at Europe and Europe's 'sex industry' (although now they seem to have decided they actually need us I expec this chatter to subside)?

Or how about the comments about Venezuela and Pres Chavez.......it seems a 'sex industry' not to Bushy liking might just get your democracy over-thrown.

Anyhoo, these 'stories' all help (who cares if they aren't always verifiable) onward and upward with increasing the general sexual repression.......it's a key ingredient in any fascist society......and when you can get to claim Jesus hates it all too!?
Wow, old man Kellogg would be so proud of those kids!

(go look Kellogg up for a genuine repressed perv and smile every time you have your cornflakes.......just what are you contributing to with every sale there, huh?)

They can't walk out. They are generally stuck in a room all day 'servicing clients' with armed guards (aka mafia goons) hanging around. They have no identity document, and speak no or little of the language. Generally the reason they try to go to the west is to earn money to send back home to support their families. The mafia use this to keep them quiet, if they run away or talk to the police then their family are under threat. Now risking your own safety is one thing to escape, but risking your own family as well? now thats a different story. Some do manage to escape though, the problem is that even if they do escape and inform the police, the police find it hard to stop the operation, and even if they shut down the local operation it's only temporarily out of action. Then to make things worse the sex slaves are freed then sent back to their original country, right back into the hands of the Mafia again! Then they are put back to work someone else. Also keep in mind these are usually quite naive young girls. They don't have the information, independant thought or education that we in the West take for granted.

So the problem for the girls is the Sex Criminal Mafia bosses.

Okie dokie, so it's open season on the Mafia bosses!
I am 100% behind that, terminate them with extreme prejudice, balanced and fair application of the law does not belong to Drug Trafficers and Slave runners, they should be identified and then killed, preferably within 10 seconds of actual contact. Same should apply to Death Penalty and Lifer prisoners, remove them from existance and save the people the cost of their continued input to our society.

There are more than enough people already on the planet, if you are not responsible enough to conduct yourself as a civilised human being then you should be exterminated as you continued input is a poison to society.

Before you call me harsh ... Think about this, the Christians believe only 144,000 people out of over 7,000,000,000 will be "saved", so run the odds on that one and ask G_D about judgement. I'm a freaking liberal compared to G_D.