Attempting an Ad Hoc evaluation of Kim

It would be interesting to see the official psych eval of Kim.

Not having access to that, trying to envision where this guys is coming from and his background paints, at least for me, an interesting picture.

This guy was raised, educated/indoctrinated in NK. By his father's people, one would presume. So his father plays a huge role in the current NK leader, one could suspect. He could have been led to believe everything he's been taught is 'truth'. On the other hand, he could very well know, the rhetoric is nothing more than a control mechanism, hand in hand with internal oppression, to maintain power and position.

I make this point from the view that what he sees in Singapore, the culture, the sheer size and freedoms of the people, the abundance and affluence, comparatively speaking, must be a shock to him.

Sure he has access to all the communication lines available to us, yet seeing it first hand, in the real world, has to be a severe reality adjustment for him. All within hours of dealing/negotiating with Trump. In Trump's 'element'.

I'd have to guess Kim is in severe disadvantage just on a 'one to one' level, never mind politically, economically or militarily.

Here's hoping he is sane enough, competent enough to come out of this to the benefit of all.

Thoughts?

a reply to: nwtrucker

Depends on if Trump deals with him with dignity and respect or just tries to bully him around.

North Korea would likely rather go down in flames than be bullied into taking a humiliating deal.

What ever is proposed needs to be to the benefit of both the USA and North Korea and not be patronizing and one sided.

I despise the North Korean Government by the way but neither do I trust the US government and its motives.

a reply to: nwtrucker

This guy was raised, educated/indoctrinated in NK.

Not so fast , he was educated in Switzerland , he is not as closeted as some think.
To understand Kim's psyche look to his father , the dynasty and his place within it is strong within Kim and he will do what is needed to seal his place alongside his father and grandfather.

This meeting is a great achievement for him regardless of what happens , the same cannot be said of his opponent who needs a result.

www.news.com.au... bb8ec7ae60974c

FORMER classmates schooled alongside North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-un in Switzerland cannot reconcile the unhinged dictator with the funny, popular boy they used to know.

Despite his weight and short stature (he was around 170cm tall), he loved — and was good at — basketball, with a passion for the Chicago Bulls.
“He was a good friend,” Bern chef Joao Micaelo, who attended Liebefeld-Steinhölzli with Kim for two years, told The Daily Beast.

That fits with what Dennis Rodman says about him....

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: nwtrucker

This guy was raised, educated/indoctrinated in NK.

Not so fast , he was educated in Switzerland , he is not as closeted as some think.
To understand Kim's psyche look to his father , the dynasty and his place within it is strong within Kim and he will do what is needed to seal his place alongside his father and grandfather.

This meeting is a great achievement for him regardless of what happens , the same cannot be said of his opponent who needs a result.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know he was educated in Switzerland. That changes much of my assumption. Then I'd agree that, in part, the internal legacy would be important to him. Yet survival to enjoy that legacy hopefully isn't lost on him.

originally posted by: DieGloke
a reply to: nwtrucker

Depends on if Trump deals with him with dignity and respect or just tries to bully him around.

North Korea would likely rather go down in flames than be bullied into taking a humiliating deal.

What ever is proposed needs to be to the benefit of both the USA and North Korea and not be patronizing and one sided.

I despise the North Korean Government by the way but neither do I trust the US government and its motives.

It's easier to treat someone politely when hold a gun to one's head at the same time. I understand the point of dignity and respect. You might well keep in mind what actions got him to this point. It wasn't dignity and respect.

originally posted by: snowspirit
www.news.com.au... bb8ec7ae60974c

FORMER classmates schooled alongside North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-un in Switzerland cannot reconcile the unhinged dictator with the funny, popular boy they used to know.

Despite his weight and short stature (he was around 170cm tall), he loved — and was good at — basketball, with a passion for the Chicago Bulls.
“He was a good friend,” Bern chef Joao Micaelo, who attended Liebefeld-Steinhölzli with Kim for two years, told The Daily Beast.

That fits with what Dennis Rodman says about him....

That IS interesting. Thanks for that.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

I make this point from the view that what he sees in Singapore, the culture, the sheer size and freedoms of the people, the abundance and affluence, comparatively speaking, must be a shock to him.

Sure he has access to all the communication lines available to us, yet seeing it first hand, in the real world, has to be a severe reality adjustment for him. All within hours of dealing/negotiating with Trump. In Trump's 'element'.

You seem to forget that he went to school in Switzerland, so Singapore will not be a shock to him.

a reply to: nwtrucker

It is possible that he is just now growing up. Seeing things a little differently than the old guard that have influenced him since birth.

I know the odds are against it, but there would be a lot to gain for NK, and for Kim personally by allowing his country to assimilate into the worlds economy. He also has some leverage, in the sense that if he did actually denuclearize, uncountable piles of cash would flow in. In other words, he can ask for a lot.

There is a lot to gain here for the US, as well. They could end up with inroads that even China doesn't enjoy.

It would also be a huge feather in Trumps hat. An accomplishment that no one thought possible.

a reply to: MinangATS

Yes, that was pointed out to me. That changes much of my original thoughts on him. Good to know.

Trump need to send "rocket man" to the moon. Insults during negations is always a fantastic tactic.

www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: olaru12
Trump need to send "rocket man" to the moon. Insults during negations is always a fantastic tactic.

www.foxnews.com...

I'm assuming your being sarcastic with that comment. I see your link as a fairly accurate one. Trump seems to validate positive moves as quickly as he dumps on the negative ones.

I see no particular problem with that method if it gets results.

Apart from the fact he was educated in a English speaking school in Switzerland (which has already been pointed out)... I also find it extremely interesting that everyone who's come into contact with him mentions his fascination with NBA basketball.

I mean, can he really be as anti-American as he's been portrayed, if he has such an obsession with the NBA? Wouldn't that make as much sense as a white supremacist who's obsessed with gangster rap?

I'm hoping for the best outcome but I can't see NK all of a sudden changing their ways. If any western influence gets to the populous, it could threaten the leadership.

My prediction: the meeting will take place with lots of fanfare, a handshake and everyone goes home. Somewhere during all that time, a private conversation will have taken place where some deal was made but it won't amount to much more than agreeing not to keep a war of words going. No more rocket-man, no more dotard. We'll ease up on the sanctions and Kim will keep his nuke program underground until the next president comes into office. Of course, each side will brag about how they came out the clear alpha.

" So his father plays a huge role in the current NK leader, one could suspect. He could have been led to believe everything he's been taught is 'truth'. On the other hand, he could very well know, the rhetoric is nothing more than a control mechanism, hand in hand with internal oppression, to maintain power and position."


He no doubt grew up noticing a hypocrisy existed, and it was quite different for citizens than the ruling class. He was university educated, and not one to be underestimated.

a reply to: gortex

He could be a "Knights Templar" !!

😲

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
I'm hoping for the best outcome but I can't see NK all of a sudden changing their ways. If any western influence gets to the populous, it could threaten the leadership.

My prediction: the meeting will take place with lots of fanfare, a handshake and everyone goes home. Somewhere during all that time, a private conversation will have taken place where some deal was made but it won't amount to much more than agreeing not to keep a war of words going. No more rocket-man, no more dotard. We'll ease up on the sanctions and Kim will keep his nuke program underground until the next president comes into office. Of course, each side will brag about how they came out the clear alpha.

Cynical of you..... Therefore likely an accurate result.

We should be weary of evaluating or psych profiling someone without having treated them ourselves, as doctors. A majority of members on here will have a big issue with that, based on past experience.

originally posted by: Kharron
We should be weary of evaluating or psych profiling someone without having treated them ourselves, as doctors. A majority of members on here will have a big issue with that, based on past experience.

I hope your joking. My grandmother was probably better at evaluating people than 'psychs' or generic doctors. It is a normal process for anyone who has the requirement of judging individuals.

Obviously, with someone from afar is a difficult task and likely to be not fully accurate. This is just an exercise, no more, and I'm sure the ATS members are aware of that fact.

double post.