no background checks for concealed permits for a year cause lost login

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For over a year, Florida allowed citizens to obtain concealed weapon permits without a background check because an employee couldn’t log in to a national database that tracked people deemed unfit to own weapons in other states, a previously unreported government investigation has revealed.

The 2017 document, which was first reported on Friday by the Tampa Bay Times, revealed that starting in February 2016, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services stopped using an FBI crime database because an employee in charge of background checks could not log in to the system.

Record requests by the Tampa Bay Times revealed the negligence, with the final state investigation revealing that it was employee Lisa Wilde who had a “login issue” with the database but never followed up to get it fixed. Wilde told investigators that she “neglected to do it for almost a year.” It was ultimately more than a year.

this is crazy man. gun rights and gun control is a serious issue these days and things like this happen.
so human error/stupidity once again.

what do you think? some sort of criminal charges?

“The integrity of our department’s licensing program is our highest priority,” Aaron Keller, a department spokesman, told the paper. “As soon as we learned that one employee failed to review applicants’ non-criminal disqualifying information, we immediately terminated the employee

nah. just got fired

Upon discovery of this former employee’s negligence in not conducting the further review required on 365 applications, we immediately completed full background checks on those 365 applications, which resulted in 291 revocations.

pretty wild.

so there are laws and regulations and stipulations on the books but how are we as a people supposed to be confident they are being followed when you read things like this?

a reply to: TinySickTears

Wow! Miami I got my 38 cal. in 1975! Even way back then..WITHOUT COMPUTERS 1975...I had to wait 5 days to pick up from store!!!

This is NUTS!!¡

a reply to: TinySickTears

Competence seems to be a foreign concept to most gov't employees.

I'm guessing this was just one area of Florida, not the entire state. It's still totally unacceptable, but the article reads as if any lunatic in the state could obtain a permit.

Thing is, most "bad guys" aren't going to go to their local courthouse and apply for a permit. They'll either: A) be smart and not risk It. OR B) concealed carry anyways because, "i don't give a eff".

Still, it's most definitely absurd that a password issue could lead to such negligence.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: TinySickTears

Wow! Miami I got my 38 cal. in 1975! Even way back then..WITHOUT COMPUTERS 1975...I had to wait 5 days to pick up from store!!!

This is NUTS!!¡

This isn't about purchasing a hand gun but about getting a concealed carry license! Where I live you have to kiss the sheriffs ass to get one. Even if you pass the checks, he can deny you the permit.

Humans will always be the weak link in any process. However, this isn’t something happening on a mass scale nor is anything to be overly concerned about.

Knee-jerk is folks call for more and more laws,

Real problem is upholding whats already in existence and making government accountable.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Humans will always be the weak link in any process. However, this isn’t something happening on a mass scale nor is anything to be overly concerned about.

well we dont know the scale of human incompetence though do we?

we should be concerned though because we need to be able to trust that the proper things are getting done.

we are relying on humans and it should be clear we cant. this is a problem. i dont have a solution

originally posted by: seaswine
I'm guessing this was just one area of Florida, not the entire state. It's still totally unacceptable, but the article reads as if any lunatic in the state could obtain a permit.

it does not read that way at all.
it reads like they had to go over 365 applications again and revoked 291 of the permits.

so how did it read that way to you?

originally posted by: Metallicus
Humans will always be the weak link in any process. However, this isn’t something happening on a mass scale nor is anything to be overly concerned about.

So........

It was no concern that mass shooter was able pass background check due VA failure to report mental condition to NICS system.

Seems to me there is an identifiable and concerning negligence in many of these occurrences where its identified proper government action using existing law may have stopped or prevented such incidents time after time.

And you're basically saying nothing here.................move along folks.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: TinySickTears

Competence seems to be a foreign concept to most gov't employees.

its a foreign concept to people in general

not just with this but with everything. remember that story from a year or so ago where the lab tech lady from boston i think was falsifying test results and taking drugs home from the lab?
over the course of many many years. wrongful convictions. the whole deal

we as a society need to be able to be confident in the due process we all put stock into.
but we cant depend on it.

so whats the solution? go full skynet?

The state should go back and check the records of conceiled permits that were given out. Some may not be proper.

How would there not be safequards in place with something like that. Those who wanted conceiled permits who shouldn't have them would have went to this person to get them, that kind of stuff definitely gets around within the groups of those who are criminals and wouldn't be able to get them normally.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Fair enough. I'll eat the crow on that one. Skimmed your post too quickly.

originally posted by: seaswine
a reply to: TinySickTears

Fair enough. I'll eat the crow on that one. Skimmed your post too quickly.

cool.
i do it all the time too. read the # too fast and later realize it

all good in the hood

a reply to: Phoenix

it should definitely be a huge concern.
we dont know the scale of these things.

this kind of # could happen all the time. we just dont know

a reply to: TinySickTears

I don't know the solution but there should be some kind of oversight in place to ensure these people are doing their jobs correctly. The bad part is that sounds like adding another layer of bureaucracy, which if we go by past experience would only compound the problem and cost. "Full Skynet" would eliminate the problem for sure, downside we'd all be dead.

a reply to: seeker1963

mine in 75 was for concealed in private Miami Beach security

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: seeker1963

mine in 75 was for concealed in private Miami Beach security

Ahh okay, I misunderstood you. 5 DAYS???? That's why I though you were talking about purchasing a hand gun. Damn in the 80's where I live all you had to do was have a sit down with the Sheriff.

He wouldn't give me a concealed but I instantly got a permit to have it in my vehicle.

a reply to: Phoenix

In the scheme of life this is a minor blip. I choose not to get riled up over something as simple as human stupidity. If I spent all my time looking for things attributable to human error it would be a full time job and one I don’t want.

I have better things to do. I guess you don’t.

a reply to: seeker1963

Just the statement "He gave me" permission is an affront to an enumerated right declared in existence before the Constitution was written called an unalienable right.

I know Judges, Legislatures and liberal societal pressure has bastardized the meaning and intent for safety and convenience but it aggrieves me no less that one is coerced into seeking permission for that which needed no permission.

I truly wonder how multitudes would react if they were required to get back ground check and pay a permit fee for public speech (open carry) and another with stricter requirement at higher cost for secret speech (concealed carry)

Betcha they'd have issue then - it odd that second is much more limiting and stronger worded than first but 1st is sacrosanct to those opposing the seconds stricter language of "shall not be infringed"

Its no lark to me that in almost if not all modern cases of abuse of the second its found government was aware and did nothing, promoted for legal case(supposedly) or had some kind of shady involvement.

Now we see signs of benign neglect and bureaucratic bumbling to add to the scale.

All the while the media and every agenda driven interest group uses the malfeasance to gin up false fodder.