Trump G-7 bombshell-"We should at least consider no tariffs, no barriers, scrapping all of it"

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Trump just called their bluff on totally free and totally fair trade. The Little 6 will have none of that. He sure knows what buttons to push, that's for sure.

I think you're on to something. Trump knows the G7 and European Union can never agree to real free trade. The European Union itself started out as a trading bloc and is slowly morphing into a continental government with member states. If real free trade was practiced by g7 nations, the EU would never have been born, there would be no tariffs, embargoes, or economic sanctions. Russia would be at the G8 meeting, if there was a need for a meeting at all.

I think Trump is just trying to get the other G7 leaders to publicly admit that tariffs can be necessary. Once they do, it's on them to explain why US tariffs are bad but theirs are good.

I think Trump mentioning RUSSIA rejoining to make it the G8, was just to TRIGGER the liberal media and Democrats.

IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM. (Always does, lol.)

a reply to: Isurrender73

ETA: nvm, not important

originally posted by: c2oden
What do you think is wrong with the Constitution?
How would you change it?

This isn't really the thread to discuss these issues. I'll answer briefly, I've answered all of these ideas before in great depth, but this isn't the time or place for it as I don't want to go further off topic here.

What's wrong with the Constitution:
1. The balance of power is focused on limiting branches of government. It is incapable of addressing a balance of power between parties.
2. Executive functions are too poorly defined.
3. The Bill of Rights should not exist. It has only created an excuse as to what rights people don't have because they're not enumerated.
4. The House of Representatives is an unsustainable body, it cannot send a proper number of people to Congress due to the US population.
5. As more personal and business interests are created (more population, more companies), more private interests need pork legislation. There is no system in Congress to limit the size of bills to a reasonable length.
6. Congressional pay is mandated too low.
7. The judiciary is inconsistent in rulings due to different regional laws on elected vs unelected judges.
8. Head of State and Head of Government should not be the same individual.
9. The full document needs to apply to anyone in the world who is dealing with the US government.
10. We need to settle the physical vs digital debate.

Fixes:
1. Fractal government to build our representatives. Starts local, goes all the way up to senior Congress officials. At each step, people only vote for those they know personally.
2. Secure and anonymously public voting system that can be done from an app.
3. Seperate Head of State and Head of Government (give one to the VP as an official duty possibly).
4. Take guaranteed rights off the table. Use the states as templates and make politicians lobby to add more, rather than defend what's already there.
5. Pick a page number for legislation. Any legislation that goes over that value requires +1% to the vote in order to pass.
6. Each district should be made up of a mix of elected and unelected judges. We need similar demographics across the country.
7. Make it harder for Congress to take bribes with better pay.
8. Expand the power each member of congress has, to specific subsections of us domestic policy. Make Congress a group of committees based on individual strengths rather than one large body.

And just like that, overnight, everyone switched to fully support globalism.

originally posted by: Kharron
And just like that, overnight, everyone switched to fully support globalism.

Pfffttt there's a difference between the type of globalism which degrades cultures and allowing global free trade to occur without tariffs that benefit only certain parties, that's called globalization. This argument is nonsense and you guys know it.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

This argument is nonsense and you guys know it.

You would think but I've come to believe they're actually that thick.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: Kharron
And just like that, overnight, everyone switched to fully support globalism.

Pfffttt there's a difference between the type of globalism which degrades cultures and allowing global free trade to occur without tariffs that benefit only certain parties, that's called globalization. This argument is nonsense and you guys know it.

There was no difference last week.

I'm glad everyone has rock solid beliefs.

originally posted by: carewemust
I think Trump mentioning RUSSIA rejoining to make it the G8, was just to TRIGGER the liberal media and Democrats.

IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM. (Always does, lol.)

You really believe Trump is just winding people up at these events like a joker or a comedian

originally posted by: carewemust
I think Trump mentioning RUSSIA rejoining to make it the G8, was just to TRIGGER the liberal media and Democrats.

IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM. (Always does, lol.)

Again, if so, purposeful and gleeful division of our great nation is treasonous. You gloat over a straight-up ahole. Some leader. Good luck walking this one back.

originally posted by: Kharron
And just like that, overnight, everyone switched to fully support globalism.

He's just talking "off the cuff". It's not like a businessman with global business interests doesn't understand that globalism is a reality at this point.

He's going to have to pivot back to his base though. Should be interesting.

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: Kharron
And just like that, overnight, everyone switched to fully support globalism.

Pfffttt there's a difference between the type of globalism which degrades cultures and allowing global free trade to occur without tariffs that benefit only certain parties, that's called globalization. This argument is nonsense and you guys know it.

There was no difference last week.

I think you'll find I'm quite consistent on my stances, here's a post I made back in May of last year:

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: theantediluvian

As mentioned previously in this thread by others, globalism and globalization are not the same thing, I have nothing against global trade. And as I stated a page or two ago, I'm using the term globalist more in the sense of some one who would promote a borderless EU in preference of separate nations. Someone who promotes a one world government or someone like Macron for example, who chooses to appear at his victory speech playing the EU anthem instead of his own national anthem.

a reply to: Aazadan

I prefer democracy over elitism. You seem ro have a very high opinion of yourself.

The US was built to be a rule by all with the bill of rights keeping the mob away from inalienable rights. And it was working just find until the bankers took over.

I will pass on your elitist oligarchy.

The constitution is fine. It's the federal government, banks and all the 3 letter agencies that have nothing to do with the constitution that is the problem.

Our founding fathers were way ahead of their time.

The constitution of rhe US is one of the most perfectly laid out forms of government in the history of mankind. It is the constitution that has prevented the very Oligarchy you suggest. And it was intentional.

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: carewemust
I think Trump mentioning RUSSIA rejoining to make it the G8, was just to TRIGGER the liberal media and Democrats.

IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM. (Always does, lol.)

Again, if so, purposeful and gleeful division of our great nation is treasonous. You gloat over a straight-up ahole. Some leader. Good luck walking this one back.

The people that applaud the belief that the President of the United States makes foreign policy decisions to "troll the left" are the least pro-American's imaginable.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Aazadan

The constitution is fine. It's the federal government

The Constitution IS the federal government. The Constitution doesn't give you freedom. The Constitution tells you what you're allowed to do within the parameters of Federal Law.

We're animals. You're born free. The Constitution is a centuries old shackle.

Execute me for treason.

a reply to: Lumenari

Socialism is a form of economy, communism is a form of government that uses socialist ideologies to do their bidding. You are mixing the two up. You can still have a fully functioning government with socialist ideas, hence why I used unions as an example.
Most of the world uses socialist and capitalist economics to make a functioning society, otherwise you run into issues like Standard Oil, or Microsoft.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Not sure what he's doing here but he often seems to float a bunch of arguments he disagrees with then change back later.

As for steel tariffs, I support that. Steel is an essential industry. We need it. What if there's a war and it got cut off? Also, jobs.

On the flip side, if all our steel is domestically produced, we have fewer economic ties to discourage us from getting into a war.

An international supply line forces countries to talk things out rather than fight each other. It's a very ingenious method of creating world peace. And going by the decrease in wars all over the world since the 40's it's working very well.

Our international supply line works fine even if we produce our own steel. I do not believe economic weakness leads to peace. Look at oil. This is not a new idea. It was US policy since the civil war until recently. We do not become stronger by trashing our key industries.

originally posted by: PistolPete

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: carewemust
I think Trump mentioning RUSSIA rejoining to make it the G8, was just to TRIGGER the liberal media and Democrats.

IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM. (Always does, lol.)

Again, if so, purposeful and gleeful division of our great nation is treasonous. You gloat over a straight-up ahole. Some leader. Good luck walking this one back.

The people that applaud the belief that the President of the United States makes foreign policy decisions to "troll the left" are the least pro-American's imaginable.

They don't see that though, so blinded by patriotism they are happy to dig their own graves.... Very bizarre.

a reply to: Aazadan

Who did you write in?

originally posted by: PistolPete

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Aazadan

The constitution is fine. It's the federal government

The Constitution IS the federal government. The Constitution doesn't give you freedom. The Constitution tells you what you're allowed to do within the parameters of Federal Law.

We're animals. You're born free. The Constitution is a centuries old shackle.

Execute me for treason.

The constitution is a limit on government. Not a list of rules for us.