The Follies of Activism

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That makes no sense whatsoever, all it's doing is ensuring all are under the same law which is liberal as it gets. As explained previously they illegally overruled local democracy via bribes the local council leader has been on trial for for about a year (been delayed as he was caught intimidating witnesses), six front bench cabinet officials hold major futures and shares in Caudrilla's shell company who 'coincidentally' have been the instrumental lobbyists for the contract. Do you not consider that authoritarianism?

What right do they have to frack when local government denied them the rights to frack three times in votes because of the corruption and inability of local infrastructure to cope with the project. We have the strongest tidal bores anywhere in the world which can more then cope with demand, then there's wind plus we're home to most of the county's Nuclear plants.

a reply to: bastion

To be fair to the OP I'm more drawn to thinking he's against my type of activism, not your legal routes through the courts and such like.
He certainly seems a submissive peasant type but maybe 'not breaking the law ever' is his thing. Bit alien to me though, it was legal to rape your wife in the UK until 1991, but the OP seems to have an overly subservient view of 'the law'.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Coddled?! LMAO, the state has arrested me many times for protesting and civil disobedience. It is you who is the subservient peasant, too scared to question authority or big business.

Even your head of state is a foreign hereditary monarch, that is funny as #. No, we are way more free in the UK, we beat Monsanto, and you didn't.

Yes, coddled. Sorry, but "big business" has zero authority. It's you who are scared. If I want to compete against "big business" I will do it the free market way, like an adult, by providing alternatives, not by stamping my feet and chanting and dancing in drum circles, demanding from the government that they limit another's freedoms so I can feel protected.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That makes no sense whatsoever, all it's doing is ensuring all are under the same law which is liberal as it gets. As explained previously they illegally overruled local democracy via bribes the local council leader has been on trial for for about a year (been delayed as he was caught intimidating witnesses), six front bench cabinet officials hold major futures and shares in Caudrilla's shell company who 'coincidentally' have been the instrumental lobbyists for the contract. Do you not consider that authoritarianism?

What right do they have to frack when local government denied them the rights to frack three times in votes because of the corruption and inability of local infrastructure to cope with the project. We have the strongest tidal bores anywhere in the world which can more then cope with demand, then there's wind plus we're home to most of the county's Nuclear plants.

We're speaking about activism, remember. Not law, not corruption, not fracking, not tidal bores, not environmentalism.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I won't when my environment and organic farms are threatened.
Face it, you and the US are the crash test dummies. The UK government effectively backed us by not cracking down on us, and Monsanto pulled out of the UK.
We are in a watch and see stage for the next decades or so, if it goes tits up for you lot then we'll have the last laugh.
Activism for the win every time

EDIT
...and for the record I've not been in drum circles, but I have physically fought private security and police for causes I believe in.
You seem oppressed in Canada, just meekly following law set by government and your foreign hereditary monarch head of state LMAO.


If I was Canadian I'd be campaigning and protesting outside the governor general's house regularly, foreign monarch as head of state?! WTF? You really are peasants and subjects of the Crown lol

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This is activism. Do you not know how protests work? The public event is less than 1% of the process of activism and having issues overturned, stopping them or if need be destroying them in very select circumstances (i.e GM, anti-war, poll tax, mining riots...)

a reply to: bastion

Agreed very select circumstances, but needed sometimes.
GM crops and fox hunting with hounds being two which needed direct action.
...as I said earlier, I'm just a foot soldier, you are managerial, but we need each other.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This is activism. Do you not know how protests work? The public event is less than 1% of the process of activism and having issues overturned, stopping them or if need be destroying them in very select circumstances (i.e GM, anti-war, poll tax, mining riots...)

I do know how protests work. Activism is “vigorous campaigning”. Which of your actions constitute “vigorous campaigning?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I won't when my environment and organic farms are threatened.
Face it, you and the US are the crash test dummies. The UK government effectively backed us by not cracking down on us, and Monsanto pulled out of the UK.
We are in a watch and see stage for the next decades or so, if it goes tits up for you lot then we'll have the last laugh.
Activism for the win every time

EDIT
...and for the record I've not been in drum circles, but I have physically fought private security and police for causes I believe in.
You seem oppressed in Canada, just meekly following law set by government and your foreign hereditary monarch head of state LMAO.

If I was Canadian I'd be campaigning and protesting outside the governor general's house regularly, foreign monarch as head of state?! WTF? You really are peasants and subjects of the Crown lol

Of course you would, because as you’ve already revealed, that’s all you can do: coercion, impeding the rights of others, violence, and being a general annoyance.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My vigorous campaigning was destroying test GM crops and disrupting fox hunts.
Bastion seems to be the type of activist who uses laws and regulations to get the same result.
You seem weak, accepting a foreign monarch to be your head of state lol.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Oh gosh, the more you post, the more I just read submissive servant of the Crown.
I feel for you man, your life sounds like a peasant.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Oh gosh, the more you post, the more I just read submissive servant of the Crown. I feel for you man, your life sounds like a peasant.

The more I read your posts, the more I see a thug, obsequious to group-think and mobocracy, hell-bent on using violence and the intimidation of your fellow citizens to get what he thinks he wants.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We got what the overwhelming majority of Brit's wanted, no GM crops, and no hunting foxes for hours on horseback for fun.
You are crying though, but still have the English Crown ruling you like peasants, it's shameful the way you think about this, and foreign monarch as head of state LMAO again.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I led a vigorous campaign everyday for nine months, after thorough research and a a variety of independent expert opinion was sought on matters I was unclear of, which was successful in defeating a £750m move backed by a £10m campaign to defeat us. I organised the protest, first we had Ban Ki Moon declare the issue the 'Biggest Threat to World Peace' had meetings to get the co-operation of Noam Chomsky and he came to hold a lecture on the issue, the Editor of The Times, The BBC, was interviewed by them about the issue, wrote several articles for student paper and gave leads to national papers and editors, leaked video recordings of secret board of governors meetings, liaised with students at other Unis which led to the occupation of several Universities nationally in the 'yellow revolution' as it got dubbed, involved lots of travel to other unis, making announcements to students at the start of lectures about the issue, leaked the internal briefings showing the next five years of the companies plans showing they wanted to spend less on students and more on trying to obtain bull# Russel Group Status, money laundering by the Cypriot government. Had weekly meetings with students, staff and locals about the matter in the planning and action of the campaign. We liaised with other students, staff, trade unions, secured the backing of every local Trade Union in the protest, lecturers, held a mon - thurs stall raising awareness of the issue in the SU, obtained the signatures of 2000 students (biggest prior petition was 146, very apathetic campus) which was then handed to the Board of Governors at their 'not so secret annual meeting. Helped organize the Local People's Assembly giving a lecture to 1000 local activists and campaigners and organising what actions can be taken. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Was a very vigorous, exhausting process (had a seizure from stress/exhaustion the night before the protest) with the Uni constantly denying there were any plans for Privatization, then the day after the protest/exposing it in the interviews with the press; they announced they scrapped it and abandoned their overseas move due to the illegalities.

CCC - Couldn't agree more

a reply to: bastion

Sounds like a lot of work, or in your case, too much work. Just to be clear, what was the goal of your activism?

a reply to: bastion

Ah respect
I enjoyed reading that post

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

We got what the overwhelming majority of Brit's wanted, no GM crops, and no hunting foxes for hours on horseback for fun. You are crying though, but still have the English Crown ruling you like peasants, it's shameful the way you think about this, and foreign monarch as head of state LMAO again.

That's not how a constitutional monarchy works, actually, so I'll laugh at your ignorance for what it is. Either way, I much rather be a peasant under a crown than a useful idiot. At least that way I can still think for myself, and am not the tool of another's interest.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Lol, am I winding you up? I hope so

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Peasant

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
That's not how a constitutional monarchy works, actually, so I'll laugh at your ignorance for what it is.

I've been fighting it all my life lol.