Teen tries to rape friend's mom during sleepover, police say

originally posted by: Krakatoa
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I await the victim blaming and shaming about why she should not have had this ability and just let herself be raped by this kid (after calling 911 during the attack at 2:30am and waiting for them to arrive any minutes later).

Who on earth with two working brain cells would do that?

a reply to: Krakatoa

Triggered much are we?

Groupthink much do you?

I guess it is difficult to accept the fact that someone actually benefited form having the ability to protect themselves without the need for govt (nanny) stepping in and assisting this citizen.

Nope? Well now you're 0 for 2. Maybe you should stop trying to project onto others what you think they believe? I'm actually all for gun ownership. In fact, most everyone in my family old enough to safely handle a firearm has at least one, including the women, including one who was shot in the face by her psychopath ex-boyfriend turned stalker.

So, do you have anything constructive to add to the thread or are you satisfied with just your own virtue signaling?

Wow, "triggered" and "virtue signaling" — you're a veritable wellspring of independent thought. Indiscriminate blathering of buzzwords is the most prevalent tribal signaling imaginable.

My problem isn't with this woman protecting herself — good on her — I'm glad that she was armed and able to stop this attack before she was raped. The issue I had was with projecting imaginary "victim shamers" as pretext for a self-gratifying whinefest.

Reminds me of the time me and my friend got drunk at his house , I was so drunk I got into bed with his Mom, She was like WTF get out of here!!! No gun and no attempted rape charges lol

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Krakatoa

Triggered much are we?

Groupthink much do you?

I guess it is difficult to accept the fact that someone actually benefited form having the ability to protect themselves without the need for govt (nanny) stepping in and assisting this citizen.

Nope? Well now you're 0 for 2. Maybe you should stop trying to project onto others what you think they believe? I'm actually all for gun ownership. In fact, most everyone in my family old enough to safely handle a firearm has at least one, including the women, including one who was shot in the face by her psychopath ex-boyfriend turned stalker.

So, do you have anything constructive to add to the thread or are you satisfied with just your own virtue signaling?

Wow, "triggered" and "virtue signaling" — you're a veritable wellspring of independent thought. Indiscriminate blathering of buzzwords is the most prevalent tribal signaling imaginable.

My problem isn't with this woman protecting herself — good on her — I'm glad that she was armed and able to stop this attack before she was raped. The issue I had was with projecting imaginary "victim shamers" as pretext for a self-gratifying whinefest.

Awww...you are still butthurt

Well, why do you care about my shout out to those that repeatedly vilify the victims and celebrate the need for only the govt to have the protection of a firearm then. Unless, of course, it struck a bit of a tender nerve in you.

Otherwise, why are you here unless you have a valid reason for discussing why those woman should not have had the right to own a firearm to defend herself against this person's sexual abuse?

Is't this a #meetoo moment as well? Or, does it not qualify because she defended herself with a firearm and not political shaming?

Now THAT topic is worthy of exploration and discussion here IMO.

a reply to: projectvxn

First, I am not religious. But it's obvious you don't understand the sacrifice concept.

Matthew 5:38-40 :

38 'You have heard how it was said: Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.

39 But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well;

40 if someone wishes to go to law with you to get your tunic, let him have your cloak as well

Like I said.

Comparing the story of Jesus sacrifice to leftist whining is just arrogance and ignorance all rolled into one.

What "leftist" whining are you referring to? Oh, you mean the imaginary garbage you made up?

a reply to: theantediluvian

You need to spend more time reading the bible.

This is not about being a victim or allowing yourself to be a victim but against revenge.

Jesus isn't saying to be weak and passive and be a willing victim but to not be vindictive, spiteful, and out for vengeance.

You need a bible study class.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Awww...you are still butthurt

Totes bro.

Well, why do you care about my shout out to those that repeatedly vilify the victims and celebrate the need for only the govt to have the protection of a firearm then. Unless, of course, it struck a bit of a tender nerve in you.

I honestly don't care. I was just pointing out that you were making up straw men to rage against. Perhaps if your singular goal wasn't to virtue signal your peers we'd be having a different discussion right now instead of you being all butthurt because my response triggered you.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Ah the old 6th grade response, "I know you are but what am I". Really, I thought you were more intelligent than that TBH.

So, again I ask, do you have anything constructive to add to a discussion here? Or more childish retorts to soothe your hurt feelz?

What are your thoughts on the fact that since the last school shooting, we have had numerous reports posted here on people using a firearm to defend themselves from attackers. If the MSM would splash these stories as much as they do the school shooting stories, everyone would see that it is a disproportional amount and not an epidemic as being portrayed.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: projectvxn

First, I am not religious. But it's obvious you don't understand the sacrifice concept.

Matthew 5:38-40 :

38 'You have heard how it was said: Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.

39 But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well;

40 if someone wishes to go to law with you to get your tunic, let him have your cloak as well

Like I said.

Comparing the story of Jesus sacrifice to leftist whining is just arrogance and ignorance all rolled into one.

What "leftist" whining are you referring to? Oh, you mean the imaginary garbage you made up?

FYI
those verses are event specific to the time it refers.

not commandments at all but a plan for that event when it was spoken

sometimes it is the correct path and others you gotta fight

how else could judgment day ever happen otherwise

a reply to: Krakatoa
It doesn't help with women being called MILFs or Cougars all the time...

a reply to: theantediluvian

Groupthink much do you?

Talking about gunphobes there?

a reply to: projectvxn

You need to spend more time reading the bible.

They should.

'Sell your cloak and buy a sword'.

a reply to: neo96

I always enjoy leftists bringing up Bible verses like they actually know anything about it.

a reply to: projectvxn

Especially when they say he never existed, AND scream separation of church and state!

All this talk about how good guns are... I repeat what I have said many, many times on here: a gun is just a tool, neither good nor bad.

What caught my eye is the kid. What 18 year old does this?

The same kind that will take a gun to school for revenge.

From one standpoint, this is no different from Parkland or Sandy Hook. Someone had little enough respect for life to simply take whatever they wanted without regard to the lives they were taking from. There is the issue. It's not about bullying, or too many guns or incompetent law enforcement or education or political correctness... it's about simple respect for others. We have lost that. Want even more proof? Read some of these threads. The hatred and vitriol that I see on ATS every day is beyond the pale. There was a time, not so very long ago, when some of the things I hear regularly now would have been unthinkable.

Antediluvian has shown us all the answer... he took a verse out of the Bible and misinterpreted it to fit his narrative: that all Christians should be meek and mild, allowing others to do as they wish. In truth, taken in the context it was written, that verse is about controlling anger. If someone slaps one cheek, we are not to become angry - we are to accept it, take another hit if necessary, but try to walk away. If someone tries to bring the law to bear on us, we are not to become angry and seek revenge, but rather to try to take our losses and walk away, trusting in God to replace what was taken.

That's not the same as becoming a professional victim. Christians are not victims; we are conquerors in the spirit and (are supposed to be) oblivious to the ways of the world.

The lesson is that all are children of the Most High God, even those who do not realize it. We, however, as those who are given the knowledge to realize this fact, are to treat others as who God sees them... wayward children, not evil incarnate to destroy. But enough of the Sunday School lessons...

I am coming to believe that this is the real reason we are seeing the violence in our society explode as of late. We have lost our way. Once, again not so very long ago, people may not have professed a belief in the Biblical teachings, but they usually did acknowledge them at least. Christians were seen as "good people" if considered somewhat "superstitious." Today, that attitude has changed; Christians are, more often than not, seen as "fools" and even "dangerous sorcerers" to be shunned and even persecuted.

As this attitude has infiltrated society, each generation has become more and more lawless and disrespectful to others. Now, others are seen as simply things that might be in the way of a personal desire or are simply there to be used as one wishes. The respect for others we once took for granted has evaporated from our youth, and our youth are responding the way any wild animal would respond. After all, we are little more than animals with a spirit, and when that spirit wanes, the animal takes over.

Here are the verses we should be looking at: 2 Timothy 3:1-7

1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I think those speak for themselves. Seems like ol' Paul knew what he was talking about...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: projectvxn

To them it is morally superior to be a victim.

You mean like Jesus?

Really? Is that how low you've gone now. True colors shining through?

Good thing you don't have a TV show on ABC. You might get fired for that post.

Not defending the criminal globalist today while attacking our innocent president?

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: projectvxn

First, I am not religious. But it's obvious you don't understand the sacrifice concept.

Matthew 5:38-40 :

38 'You have heard how it was said: Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.

39 But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well;

40 if someone wishes to go to law with you to get your tunic, let him have your cloak as well

Like I said.

Comparing the story of Jesus sacrifice to leftist whining is just arrogance and ignorance all rolled into one.

What "leftist" whining are you referring to? Oh, you mean the imaginary garbage you made up?

FYI
those verses are event specific to the time it refers.

not commandments at all but a plan for that event when it was spoken

sometimes it is the correct path and others you gotta fight

how else could judgment day ever happen otherwise

to put it in other terms it's like he is giving advice on how to survive an encounter with police of today

take no actions and give up everything if asked for the sake of your life

a bit of hyperbole on my part but places exist today and situations arise today's time where this is the only way to survive

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: rickymouse
She could have shot him in the nuts instead of kneeing him. That would have stopped all future rapes by this guy.

Not really. Rape is about power, not sex. And, in this instance, it was his hand that was used as the implement of attack not his.......(likely very small) appendage.

And even if she did shoot him, she had to have been in fear for her life for it to be justified. Is being raped fearing for your life, legally? Good question. And I bet you get totally opposite answers depending upon your political viewpoint on personal firearm protections.

In Michigan.... You have the legal right to shoot in defense of several instances. Rape or intended rape, robbery, car jacking, assault, encountering someone in or coming into your home (home invasion)... and in defense of someone else.

I would agree with and would have a shot him myself... In the knee and foot... after a knee to the nuts... Explain all that to the ER and 911 responders and police.

*****EMT-I AM A 911 Responder and licensed firearm carrier. Ive seen some CCCRRRRAAAAAAZY stuff and carted 'em to the ER in cuffs w/ Police

Yeah another win for gun owners yeah...end sarcasm.

You know it takes a very level headed person to own a gun. What if this woman blew that guys brains out? She'd be the one sitting in jail right now. I've been robbed and I've jumped. After something like that it's easy to over react and shoot someone if you're armed. If you shoot someone you're guilty until proven innocent. The NRA aint going to save your ass.

I'm 2 blocks north of Detroit. It's 1 am and I just went to the corner store for a ice tea. I don't carry a gun because I'd rather not have to shoot someone. I'll take my chances without a gun.

I'm gun owner I hunt except I'm not going to carry. I'm not risking my freedom playing dirty Harry.

a reply to: Krakatoa

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Since all teenagers are clinically insane , He is probably sitting in a cell realizing that because his friends mum smiling at him wasn.t the come on he thought it was. I am surprised this isn't more common.