How people respond to 9/11 evidence counter to the official conspiracy theory

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

And, as you have been told many times, the NIST reports are educated guesses. There were no data collection devices in the buildings to record the precise collapse sequences. Absent data from inside the buildings, ANY report is going to be based on what is viewed from the exterior and what is absent from the physical evidence. Viewed from the exterior, massive damage, fire, sagging beams, and knowledge of the flawed fireproofing....and lots of math dealing with steel strength, static loads, etc..... What is absent from the evidence, ANY evidence of a demolition rig, blast spots, audio/seismograph indications of explosives that would have had to have been present.

NIST report: Fire/damage induced collapses.


For those who cannot accept reality, they come up with "hush a boom" explosives and death rays from space.

hmmmmmm.........

It is refreshing to get such a reply. Much of what you said is true--there were no sensors inside the buildings to record any collapse data at all.

However, if you are aware of the scandal involving Kurt Sonnenfeld, the FEMA photographer, and if you have seen all his photos, you will understand why he became persona non grata in the US. Some of his pictures were published in public, and that raised many eyebrows because those photos were fatal to the NIST explanation, and fatal to the official story.

Jeff Prager published virtually all of Sonnenfeld's photos in his book some years back.

Many of those photos clearly show that whatever happened at WTC that day, the FEMA explanation was impossible.

The reason so many first responders became ill with all the symptoms of radiation poisoning is because they suffered radiation poisoning. Thank you Occam.

NIST report was a political effort, a very large part of the cover-up

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak


Even 5 or 6 years ago there was -0- chance the official story was true.

Really, with the commission report stating 60 some odd times that "it found no evidence" to support various details of that story, there was -0- chance then of the official story being true. Any debate, any doubt in that regard, died at that time.

The party was over, the monkey died, when the commission report was filed. It was a cover-up meant to protect the guilty parties and deceive the public, nothing more. CYA all the way.

a reply to: Salander

Because there are no other photos of the pile?

Might read this thread linked to below? It shows there are more pictures of ground zero and the rubble than you think. Your stance is that there are a limited number of photos and you basing a conspiracy off that? Is that false?

Seems you are debunked again....

the-wtc-9-11-angle-cut-column-not-thermite-cut-later.t9469/

www.metabunk.org...

a reply to: neutronflux


Only in your desperate and frustrated mind NF.

Anybody with an open and curious mind, willing to study and inform herself or himself, reaches the same conclusion--the official story is impossible. I've seen it happen too many times.

As to what brought down the towers in actual cited fact?

Please define how the photos disprove what is clearly seen in video concerning the towers. The buckling of the outer columns because of bowing resulting in collapse. Not cut columns. There is no proof of cut columns from demolitions at the WTC before cleanup crews when to work.

So you mean by “open minded” is to create innuendo with no actual example of photos while totally ignoring the video, audio, physical, and seismic evidence.

Ironic you talk about being open minded while ignoring the body of evidence? With out providing or citing an actual example?

So what is the credible theory of the truth movement why the twin towers collapsed?

a reply to: Salander

many first responders became ill with all the symptoms of radiation poisoning is because they suffered radiation poisoning.

I guess we are back to the silent nukes theory.
Like I said they come in six week cycles.

a reply to: Salander

Please list who died of radiation poisoning?

a reply to: Salander

The definition of radiation poisoning....

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Acute radiation syndrome (ARS) is a collection of health effects that are present within 24 hours of exposure to high doses of ionizing radiation. It is also called radiation poisoning, radiation sickness, and radiation toxicity.

Who from the day 9/11 showed signs of radiation poisoning with in 24 hours of the event? From what radiation?

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: MALBOSIA

pushed by bullies that supporr the OS is merely a theory

We are still waiting for a unified theory that explains everything we saw that day from the truther community.

Its not the " truthers" responsibilty to prove anything. Maybe those that used the attack as an excuse to invade a foreign nation and murder so many people should have that responsibility?

Almost everything you call evidence was not compiled and put forth until some time after all those people that were invaded, died.

How about someone that supports the official story (maybe NIST?) produce a visual reinactment of what they believe happened.

I mean, if its all so irrefutable, it should be easy to visualize therefore easy to visually display.

Here is quick search. Let me know which one I should watch to help me come to terms with what the OS is pushing.

Let me know. If Im not post-banned by then..

a reply to: MALBOSIA

The picture shows the tower leaning to one side? That was not supposed to happen with CD?

Nice picture with no context.

For the second tower that fell, it was reported to be leaning because of buckling. Funny in the video when the tower collapsed, the noise of the crashing rubble is heard? But the collapse starts in near silence?

9/11 - The Top of the North Tower Is Leaning - NYPD Warning
m.youtube.com...

Video of south tower collapse. The collapse starts with nothing being exploded/ejected outward, and only after the columns buckle and the building above the buckling slams into the building below.

9/11: South Tower Collapse (ABC Live)
m.youtube.com...

And your rant has noting to do with this question asked of you.

It is not a theory the vertical columns buckeled inward to initiate the collapse. It is an event captured on video. The vertical columns were not cut to initiate collapse. Is this a false statement?

So is the building leaning? Is it a bulge because of buckling steel? Still does not change the fact the vertical columns buckled inward. Still does not change the fact there is no indication of a pressure wave used to cut steel to induce collapse. Still no indication of anything being pushed/blasted/ejected out during the buckling of the vertical columns that initiated collapse.

a reply to: neutronflux

The pic is the same as the as the last time i posted it and you claimed it was out of context. Then i posted the FIOA video it came from and then you just started rambling and back-tracking.

It proves an outward force a split second before collapse started. All your videos show the same side and you ignore what happened on the opposite side because it fit into your silly conspiracy theory. You show where the plane entered and it doesnt take a genius to figure out why THAT section is bowed inward.







Outward bowing at the opposite side where the plane entered is a fact based on video evidence

Inward bowing where the plane entered is also a fact based on video and common sense.

Now what?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
How about someone that supports the official story (maybe NIST?) produce a visual reinactment of what they believe happened.

I mean, if its all so irrefutable, it should be easy to visualize therefore easy to visually display.

Here is quick search. Let me know which one I should watch to help me come to terms with what the OS is pushing.

Let me know. If Im not post-banned by then..

Nobody is going to bite at this one?

Scared?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

How about someone that supports the official story (maybe NIST?) produce a visual reinactment of what they believe happened.

Who here is supporting NIST? I think the bulk of the items presented are right from the video evidence? Quote who here is citing “offical sources” to push there was no implosion of the WTC towers?

If it was not impact / fire / thermal stress induced buckling that initiated the collapse as captured in the video of the towers, then state a theory?

Don’t forget?

How would a planted CD system survive the jet impacts that cut vertical columns, fire water mains, breached elevator shafts, cut elevator cables, and cut core columns? To initiate a collapse at the areas of impact?

How would a planted CD system survive wide spread fires?

If the steel columns were cut by pressure waves, there would be physical evidence and audio evidence? Shrapnel everywhere from the supposed requirement to remove the resistance of every tower floor.

If the resistance of ever floor had to be removed, how many charges required? 4 per floor would equal 440 charges for one tower.

Even for a thermite system the truth movement claims had to remove the resistance of all floors, it’s existence would be obvious. It would show in the metallurgy of the steel, and the WTC pile would have been littered with columns cut from floor to floor. Fragments of blasting caps/ignition devices would have been recovered with the 19,000 pieces of human remains recovered. The signs would be obvious to the volunteers that lost family members and fellow first responders at the towers.

There is no credible proof/evidence/narrative for tower CD/implosion. Period. Sorry.

originally posted by: neutronflux

There is no credible proof/evidence/narrative for tower CD/implosion. Period. Sorry.

There is no proven evidence to the contrary either. Period. Sorry.

So did you pick a video for me? Its getting late...

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: neutronflux

The pic is the same as the as the last time i posted it and you claimed it was out of context. Then i posted the FIOA video it came from and then you just started rambling and back-tracking.

It proves an outward force a split second before collapse started. All your videos show the same side and you ignore what happened on the opposite side because it fit into your silly conspiracy theory. You show where the plane entered and it doesnt take a genius to figure out why THAT section is bowed inward.

Outward bowing at the opposite side where the plane entered is a fact based on video evidence

Inward bowing where the plane entered is also a fact based on video and common sense.

Now what?

And what does this have to do with the vertical columns actually bucked in the direction of the interior of the towers. Please post a picture or video that shows a vertical column actually buckeled away from the building when the vertical columns failed? Please post a picture or video of a vertical column being cut to initiate collapse?

And thank you for pointing out a series of photos that shows the steel was failing because of impact/fire/thermal stress damage causing load redistribution and misaligned of the tower’s structure that would result in collapse. Such as buckling.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: neutronflux

There is no credible proof/evidence/narrative for tower CD/implosion. Period. Sorry.

There is no proven evidence to the contrary either. Period. Sorry.

So did you pick a video for me? Its getting late...

Here is the whole quote.

Don’t forget?

How would a planted CD system survive the jet impacts that cut vertical columns, fire water mains, breached elevator shafts, cut elevator cables, and cut core columns? To initiate a collapse at the areas of impact?

How would a planted CD system survive wide spread fires?

If the steel columns were cut by pressure waves, there would be physical evidence and audio evidence? Shrapnel everywhere from the supposed requirement to remove the resistance of every tower floor.

If the resistance of ever floor had to be removed, how many charges required? 4 per floor would equal 440 charges for one tower.

Even for a thermite system the truth movement claims had to remove the resistance of all floors, it’s existence would be obvious. It would show in the metallurgy of the steel, and the WTC pile would have been littered with columns cut from floor to floor. Fragments of blasting caps/ignition devices would have been recovered with the 19,000 pieces of human remains recovered. The signs would be obvious to the volunteers that lost family members and fellow first responders at the towers.

There is no credible proof/evidence/narrative for tower CD/implosion. Period. Sorry.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: neutronflux

The pic is the same as the as the last time i posted it and you claimed it was out of context. Then i posted the FIOA video it came from and then you just started rambling and back-tracking.

It proves an outward force a split second before collapse started. All your videos show the same side and you ignore what happened on the opposite side because it fit into your silly conspiracy theory. You show where the plane entered and it doesnt take a genius to figure out why THAT section is bowed inward.

Outward bowing at the opposite side where the plane entered is a fact based on video evidence

Inward bowing where the plane entered is also a fact based on video and common sense.

Now what?

And what does this have to do with the vertical columns actually bucked in the direction of the interior of the towers. Please post a picture or video that shows a vertical column actually buckeled away from the building when the vertical columns failed? Please post a picture or video of a vertical column being cut to initiate collapse?

And thank you for pointing out a series of photos that shows the steel was failing because of impact/fire/thermal stress damage causing load redistribution and misaligned of the tower’s structure that would result in collapse. Such as buckling.

Why would there be buckling and plums of pressure being forced out of the building... approx.15 stories above the impact?

Those pictures are a second apart. You watched the video. Dont act like you didnt...

Show me a video...

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
How about someone that supports the official story (maybe NIST?) produce a visual reinactment of what they believe happened.

I mean, if its all so irrefutable, it should be easy to visualize therefore easy to visually display.

Here is quick search. Let me know which one I should watch to help me come to terms with what the OS is pushing.

Let me know. If Im not post-banned by then..

Nobody can tell me what video represents their theory?

So sad