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However he might have had had a Freudian slip of the tongue; saying that Trump can pardon himself suggests that Trump might have made a boo boo-why would suggest a self pardon if your employer has nothing to hide?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Thecakeisalie
However he might have had had a Freudian slip of the tongue; saying that Trump can pardon himself suggests that Trump might have made a boo boo-why would suggest a self pardon if your employer has nothing to hide?
I think they have Trump dead to rights on obstruction, at least. Ergo, the musings of the president CAN'T obstruct justice and of self pardon.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Thecakeisalie
However he might have had had a Freudian slip of the tongue; saying that Trump can pardon himself suggests that Trump might have made a boo boo-why would suggest a self pardon if your employer has nothing to hide?
You should watch the interview. It wasn't a slip, he was badgered into answering a hypothetical so you could run around screaming he must be guilty for a couple of days. Just like romney and the "do you believe states have the right to limit contraception?" question posed by the same guy, george stephanopolaus. The purpose is the narrative, nothing more or less.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Two things:
1) what did he obstruct
2) is obstruction of that treason, bribery, or high crimes/misdemeanors?
originally posted by: links234
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Two things:
1) what did he obstruct
2) is obstruction of that treason, bribery, or high crimes/misdemeanors?
1) If Trump fired Comey in some attempt to stop or end or hinder the FBI's Russian meddling investigation that's obstruction of justice. We know now that Russia meddled in our elections. We've even tried to bring the Russians responsible to justice for it.
Russia didn't change votes but they did hold rallies and paid Americans to hold these rallies. They paid companies (mostly social media) to advertise their own articles and paid a small army of Russian citizens to write, promote and propagate pro-Trump articles, blog posts and Twitter posts. Literally Russian shills shilling for candidate Trump all over the internet.
2) That's part of what Mueller and his team have been investigating; to what extent did the Trump campaign know about what Russia was doing and were any efforts made to work with the Russian government in this meddling.
We already know that Trump's son met with a number of foreign nationals in Trump tower (remember, about adoptions?). We've also learned that the FBI specifically warned both the Trump and Clinton campaigns about Russian foreign nationals attempts to contact both campaigns and explicitly stated that if any contacts were made to contact the FBI. The Trump campaign continued to make contact with Russian foreign nationals (more than 76 times) and made no attempt to tell the FBI, even so far as to attempt to set up a 'back channel' with Russia after Trump was elected. The Trump campaign also attempted to either downplay or outright deny ever making those meetings.
If working directly with a foreign government to get yourself elected to the oval office doesn't constitute high crimes or at least misdemeanors then I don't know what would.
Whether a sitting president can or can’t be charged with a crime is still unsettled law, law professors say.
Legal scholars say it’s more likely that Mueller would release evidence that Trump obstructed justice and let the political process take it from there.
originally posted by: links234
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Your first paragraph: Obstruction of justice is a felony.
Your second paragraph: None of that is true.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Kharron
Where was your "HORROR" over the article posted by DBCowboy above your comment?...
Here it is again...
If Hillary Is Indicted, President Clinton Could Pardon Herself and Congress Might be Helpless