Europe is a bigger enemy to Israel than Islam

a reply to: intrepid

Don't you mean the Knesset as ruled by the Rothschilds are the biggest enemy of the whole world?

a reply to: nwtrucker

We gave and forgave a damn sight more money directly and in military support to Europe than we've EVER given Israel.

I would put it that it was in the US self interest to bolster Germany and keep the Soviets and Communism in check. So you really didnt give anything away

www.cadtm.org...

This bilateral policy aimed to buttress the capitalist Western block spearheaded by Washington against the Eastern bloc dominated by the USSR. The United States cancelled the debts of some of its allies. The most obvious instance of this kind was the way the German debt was largely cancelled by the 1953 London Agreement. In order to make sure that the economy of West Germany would thrive and thus become a key element of stability in the Atlantic bloc, the creditor allies led by the United States made major concessions to German authorities and corporations - concessions that went beyond debt relief. A comparison between the way West Germany was treated after WWII and the current attitude to developing countries is a telling story.

a reply to: nwtrucker

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Admittedly, I spend more time on ATS than I probably should. The trouble being, the usual fare has lost much of it's previous entertainment value.

Whats stopping you from doing the research?

The fact that there's still a significant number of Jews leaving Europe for Israel is telling though.

Not supported by the facts


www.theguardian.com...

The IJPR looked at six countries – France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Sweden and the UK, which account for about 70% of European Jews. It concluded there had been an increase in migration, especially from France, Belgium and Italy; but in the UK, Germany and Sweden levels of migration were not unusual. Suggesting a definition of an exodus as 30% of the Jewish population, it said 4% of Jews in Belgium and France had left for Israel between 2010 and 2015. The proportion leaving from the UK, Germany and Sweden was between 0.6% and 1.7%.

a reply to: moebius

Iran isnt a threat to anyone. They have seen what happens to their neighbours like Iraq Afghanistan Libya.

Wouldnt you plan for the survival of your people if the writing was on the wall?

a reply to: nwtrucker

In combination with the 52 or so Muslim dominated nations don't vote against Israel in the U.N.?

If you can show that those 52 nations have a higher disproportionate leaning of Islam representatives running their nations you may have a point.

You have accused others of not responding to the OP directly.

You stand accused of sloppy lazy thinking looking for reactions.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Thats about as stupid as saying that a few more 911's would wake up the American people. You usually are better than that.

a reply to: JokerThe1st


The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering
Norman G. Finkelstein

Synopsis
A bestseller throughout Europe, the Middle East and the Americas, and already translated into sixteen languages, The holocaust Industry was hailed by the Guardian newspaper in London as "the most controversial book of the year" when it was originally published in 2000. in a devastating postscript for this second paperback edition, Norman G. Finkelstein documents the Holocaust industries scandalous cover-up of the blackmail of Swiss Banks, and in a new appendix demolishes the influential apologia for the Holocaust industry.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Pretty weak deflection ignoring the main crux of JokerThe1st's post by claiming the empirical high ground whilst ignoring the historical context.

Way to go

a reply to: nwtrucker

WTF....Your selective responses and baiting are there for all to see. You feign ignorance when it suits you and yet you are not looking for open discussion. You were even too lazy to look up resolution 181.

Outsanding

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Could you point me to where you got these figures from?
What countries constituted Europe, what were the total populations.
Where does the figure of 10% Jewish come from

As can be seen below estimating any numbers pre 1700 is fraught with difficulty...let alone estimating a religious subset of such.

en.wikipedia.org...

As a general rule, the confidence of estimates on historical world population decreases for the more distant past. Robust population data only exists for the last two or three centuries. Until the late 18th century, few governments had ever performed an accurate census. In many early attempts, such as in Ancient Egypt and the Persian Empire, the focus was on counting merely a subset of the population for purposes of taxation or military service.[3] Published estimates for the 1st century ("AD 1") suggest an uncertainty of the order of 50% (estimates range between 150 and 330 million). Some estimates extend their timeline into deep prehistory, to "10,000 BC", i.e. the early Holocene, when world population estimates range roughly between one and ten million (with an uncertainty of up to an order of magnitude)

a reply to: nwtrucker

I don't see 'control'. I see massive grid-lock. Right from local gov't up to the top. Agenda, counter agenda. Vested interest versus vested interest until progress/control is beyond any. ( some agendas astutely taking advantage of the grid-lock for their own gain).

Gridlock? If you cant see that all the little actions, changes in laws, freedom for corporations to trample over the will of Govts and avoidance of taxation, not to mention the increase in concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands, wait you claimed ignorance in certain areas. For someone who claims such it would either point to you selectively ignoring economics and cultural/religious factors or you're trolling us.



Globalism Through U.N.’S Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, And Vision 2050
www.technocracy.news...

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Interesting posts. Read 'em all and not one 'fact' amongst them.

There are is litany of historical facts. If you choose the semantical game of the 'number' attached to a resolution, then sobeit.

You accuse me yet back up nothing, yourself.

Only a fool would miss the history of Europe being no better than the ME's. The only real distinction is they had their 'high-point' far earlier before sinking into their abyss. Europe seems to be following suit, as we speak. (The U.S. isn't far behind, in truth.)

So I summarize, your 'posts' are too little and too late. Stress on the 'too little'.

A choice between Europe and Israel? I take Israel. They will likely be around longer than Europe if things continue as they have been.

Enjoy your day.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Yes gridlock. A national gov't in the U.S. that has done virtually nothing to stop the bleeding of it industrial base. A Europe that succumbs to the unending serfdom that has plagued them for centuries. (Those with survival DNA tend to leave.) To North America, other nations and yes, to Israel.

The moves you cite within the 'gridlock' are minutia. No vision, no determination or will. No direction. The lightest of those attributes in others and they make moves. Militant extremist Islamists. Putin. China. Yes, now the U.S..

Hand-wringing, spineless, academics. Unelected morons who set events in motion that they inevitably lose control of.

That's how I see it. The evidence is clear.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Enjoy my day? hahaha...at least I have provided some links; unlike yourself who chooses to respond selectively,

Only a fool would miss the history of Europe being no better than the ME's

Define what time period. Define better.
Thats it, keep throwing moving targets to somehow retain credibility. As another poster suggested you seem to be wanting a one way conversation.

a reply to: nwtrucker

And again

TheConstruKctionofLight:
WTF....Your selective responses and baiting are there for all to see. You feign ignorance when it suits you and yet you are not looking for open discussion. You were even too lazy to look up resolution 181. Outsanding

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: nwtrucker

Enjoy my day? hahaha...at least I have provided some links; unlike yourself who chooses to respond selectively,

Only a fool would miss the history of Europe being no better than the ME's

Define what time period. Define better.
Thats it, keep throwing moving targets to somehow retain credibility. As another poster suggested you seem to be wanting a one way conversation.

You avoid the OP, it's premise and any real debate on the subject. You follow the meme of if the premise is difficult to counter, attack the messenger. I don't require links that support my premise as there are none likely to had.

You negated any interest in your links via your demeaning posts. I ignored them. No one post of your addresses the OP, itself. You attack a poster for failing to provide population numbers from an era when such numbers likely didn't even exist....and count it as some valid argument.

I, for one, would be embarrassed posting as you do.

Have a nice evening, then.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: worldstarcountry

questions
1 So the Aliens rulers in space want the US$ to remain the reserve currency? Say there are such rulers what makes you think that they don't prefer the Gold standard?

2 You are saying implying that the Rothschild controlled reserve banks are acting on the orders of these controllers.
You think the millions killed in these wars to install said reserve banks is justified so the US and Israel can continue their privileged status?

3 You'e also saying that as long as they conquer the planet you're spared from being bombed by kinetic weapons?

Answers
1 the aliens do not care what currency is the reserve, they just do not want the supply of gold platinum group metals and other rare earth elements to slow to a trickle due to the shipments delivered to them regularly being interrupted by the destruction of it's appointed representatives/leaders in Israel.
Meant to add, the gold standard puts the gold back into everyone else's hands. They want it all in their technology, which is why the standard was knocked off. Regular people Are frequently discouraged from even owning gold through ridicule and mockery, even though all the most powerful people and entities trade it regularly and maintain the largest stockpiles on Earth.
2 yes, justified. It benefits Australia as well since your part of the empire.
3 not just me being spared, all the humans on Earth. If there is only fighting animals to contend with and their guaranteed delivery of resources slows to a halt, they have no reason to keep the gloves on. They will just scorch the Earth and redirect a production line of robots to take over prodt. They prefer living organisms though, as machines have to be built and programmed. Life multiples on its own and then worships and serves the power above it.

a reply to: nwtrucker

You avoid the OP, it's premise and any real debate on the subject.

It's an unsubstantiated opinion, what did you expect. Fcking confetti? Here's another one:

Europe is a bigger enemy to Europe itself, than it would be an enemy to Israel. The Likud crazies have a bigger enemy, it's called Human Rights. And that one will bring down their little Ancient Apartheit Regime one day, unless we don't see heavy reforms for a more serious democracy of course.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: nwtrucker

You avoid the OP, it's premise and any real debate on the subject.

It's an unsubstantiated opinion, what did you expect. Fcking confetti? Here's another one:

Europe is a bigger enemy to Europe itself, than it would be an enemy to Israel. The Likud crazies have a bigger enemy, it's called Human Rights. And that one will bring down their little Ancient Apartheit Regime one day, unless we don't see heavy reforms for a more serious democracy of course.

Unsubstantiated? Perhaps. There's enough prima facie evidence to pose it. It is outside the box and, of course, there'd be no particular agreement with it.

It's hard to argue against the fact that Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, immediate Israeli neighbors, Muslim nations, have better relationships with Israel than any European nation.

That Europe gives more support and 'mulligans' to both Turkey and Iran who both call for the destruction of Israel.

Lacking that European support/acquiescence, the major protagonists of Israel, the overall ME would be considerably different than the current mess. Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, the Kurds...get the picture I pose?

Now look at the potential major ME war Iran-SA and Israel. (Not to mention the very real concerns of a nuked-up Iran.(Iran hasn't developed intermediate missile systems for a faster parcel delivery service.)

So not supporting the U.S. sanctions on Iran, absolutely nothing on Turkish attacks on Kurds-all the while, Iran is calling for 'Muslim unity' against Israel- and Europe continues it's efforts in the ME right from the heyday of European imperialism to this very day.

Look, it's only a premise. There's evidence both for the premise and against it,yes?

If you look through the general responses, few, if any, argue against the obvious points of Balfour agreement or Sykes-Picot, the flip-flopping of Britain in the early years, the obvious European addiction to ME oil...on and on.

So far, I see no logical points to doubt the premise. If you have them, I'm all ears.