NYT: Gulf States Offered Trump Election Help, Erik Prince Lied to Congress

a reply to: xuenchen

I can Confirm this .That Gulf Emissary contacted me by phone on the day of the Presidential Election and Urged me to Vote for Donald Trump / I told him I Already made up my Mind to Vote for him , and he just said Oh , Ok , Bye .

originally posted by: UKTruth
Oh, so now it's Arab collusion.

I see.

Not so much collusion that we have evidence of, just 2 years of delusion - from Liberals.
Seriously, you are going to have to move past November 8th 2016.
Just when I think liberals can't get any more ridiculous, they pull another rabbit out of the hat.

Only a matter of time when they start investigating The Deplorables for collusion!

Bring it on!

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: xuenchen

I can Confirm this .That Gulf Emissary contacted me by phone on the day of the Presidential Election and Urged me to Vote for Donald Trump / I told him I Already made up my Mind to Vote for him , and he just said Oh , Ok , Bye .

You get your check yet?

It clears in 2 days.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

My Bank said it was FAKE .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: burgerbuddy

My Bank said it was FAKE .

Bummer, maybe they cashed it themselves?

Wouldn't put it past them bastards.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

That's unrealistic, I'll take 8 years of Trump reversing their course

But as soon as a dem gets elected potus again things go right back to what they were.

a reply to: samuelsson

What part is being missed here.

The meeting happened. The meeting was confirmed by Don Jr. This isn't an opinion or assumption or a theory. It's not speculation, it's not open to interpretation, it just is.

Erik Prince's testimony is a matter of record.

It is on its face self evident that what Erik Prince said in congressional testimony was a lie unless Don Jr, the Israeli and everyone else are lying. There's no wiggle room or gray area there.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: xuenchen

I can Confirm this .That Gulf Emissary contacted me by phone on the day of the Presidential Election and Urged me to Vote for Donald Trump / I told him I Already made up my Mind to Vote for him , and he just said Oh , Ok , Bye .

yeah I got a call too.

I missed it and he left a voicemail to vote for Trump !!

When I called back, the number was already disconnected !!

😃‼️

a reply to: theantediluvian

I mean...I've been on these boards for a while now...and I have read a lot of your threads. Ever since this election you pretty much post threads trying to paint trump negatively...can't ever recall you posting anything of the sort against a democrat ever. So you could say you have quite the singular focus yourself.

So it is obvious that the meeting occurred. They contact a lawyer and find

The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American law firm, and was told that it would be illegal if any non-Americans were involved in the effort.

I wonder about a few things. 1) Is this Nader guy representing the Crown Princes there so that, at this point, there are no non-Americans involved? Would representing the 2 CP's be considered non_American involvement?

And 2)is the reason they declined the service being offered is because it would be illegal? Not sure but I doubt this particular meeting was illegal. How could it be? Had they continued with the plan being offered possibly illegal.

I don't think we can dispute the fact that the Trump campaign was meeting with foreign "entities" for various reasons. The results of these meetings does seem disputable. The reason behind these meetings also seems a bit unclear.

Why Erik Prince lied to congress as to his role in the campaign is odd. Did he outright lie or perhaps he didn't think this one meeting (if it was just the one) was actually communications with the "campaign".

And don't worry about all the boo-hiss getting thrown at this OP, surely the daily anti-Hillary,Obama,Dems thread will be up soon so they can all go woot woot go team again...LOL

a reply to: RickyD

Could you explain what about this thread of my doing "paints Trump negatively?"

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You'd rather talk about me, my posting habits, yadda yadda than address basic facts. Please, tell me what about the OP is inaccurate? Or unfair?

If you think that the OP "paints" Trump negatively, then you think that reality "paints" Trump negatively. If you can't acknowledge facts when they are presented to you, then that's your problem isn't it?

a reply to: Arnie123

It must be the Russians... or maybe the Gulf States... or maybe the next entire country or collection of countries, to be blamed for Clinton's loss.

a reply to: tinner07

Nader is an advisor to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan but he's actually an American (originally from Lebanon).

Trump White House Associate George Nader Was Convicted on Child Porn Charges in Virginia

I hadn't read up much on Nader except for specific events with Prince, Broidy etc but I've been doing a bit more tonight and I probably could have led with this but apparently Nader is a very well connected pederast.

The Lebanese-American businessman who features prominently in special counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry was once sentenced to six months on child pornography charges in Virginia, Newsweek has learned.

George Nader, 58, has emerged as a key player in the investigation. An adviser to the Emirati crown prince, Nader is believed to have represented the kingdom’s interests in White House meetings, and frequently met with Jared Kushner during the early months of the Trump administration to discuss U.S. policies toward Persian Gulf states.

But before he reemerged as a Middle East power broker, the onetime publisher of a niche foreign policy magazine accrued a record of criminal charges. In 1985, federal authorities charged Nader for importing sexually explicit materials, including magazines and pictures that depicted “nude boys,” and other materials showing boys “engaged in a variety of sexual acts,” according to federal court records. The case was dropped shortly before trial. And in 2003 he was convicted on 10 counts of sexually abusing underage boys in the Czech Republic, the AP reported Thursday. Nader served one year in prison abroad for those charges.

In between those previously reported charges, however, Nader was convicted of bringing child pornography into the United States from Germany, Newsweek learned from federal court records. The records were automatically sealed when the case was decided in 1991, but a court clerk told the magazine they should have been unsealed six months later. The case was unsealed after Newsweek pressed the court about the sealing.

And yet, here a couple pages back somebody was making a vague insinuation about his pal Erik Prince being on some bull# mission against just that sort of person.

How remarkable is it that a pederast with multiple convictions in various countries is this connected? That he was all up in Trump Tower rubbing elbows with Kushner, Bannon, etc and globetrotting with Prince? Can you imagine this was ANY other administration?

Back to your question. Erik Prince was also present, he's an American of course. And of we know Don Jr was there. So of the four men who were definitely present, three of them were in fact Americans though at least one of them was acting as a foreign agent, arguably two.

And 2)is the reason they declined the service being offered is because it would be illegal? Not sure but I doubt this particular meeting was illegal. How could it be? Had they continued with the plan being offered possibly illegal.

It's not known whether or not they declined the services but that seems to be the assumption and there's no specific evidence that the services were rendered. (except maybe that $2 million presentation)

It would have been 100% illegal for them to have accepted the offer. It's not however illegal to have somebody pitch you something illegal.

Why Erik Prince lied to congress as to his role in the campaign is odd. Did he outright lie or perhaps he didn't think this one meeting (if it was just the one) was actually communications with the "campaign".

Unless he has a degenerative neurological condition affecting his memory, I don't think this is something that somehow didn't occur to him or that he forgot the fundamental nature of to an extent that he would reasonably interpret it as not fitting the bill for the question he was asked.

I'm confident in saying that he lied.

What I'm less confident of is the reporting from March that suggested that he lied to Congress about the Seychelles meeting. Nader by several accounts has cooperated with the Mueller investigation.

The secret Seychelles meeting Robert Mueller is zeroing in on, explained

The New York Times’s Mark Mazzetti, David Kirkpatrick, and Adam Goldman reported in March that George Nader — an adviser to the de facto leader of the United Arab Emirates — is cooperating with Mueller’s probe. In a sign of his importance to the investigation, Nader testified before a grand jury.

That’s big because Nader helped organize, and attended, that curious Seychelles meeting on January 11, 2017, shortly before Trump’s inauguration. The meeting brought together Erik Prince, Trump donor and founder of the private security company Blackwater, with Kirill Dmitriev, who manages a Russian sovereign wealth fund and is thought to be close to Vladimir Putin.

Anonymous sources have long claimed to reporters that the purpose of the Seychelles meeting was for Trump’s team to covertly communicate with Putin’s team. After all, it happened just weeks after Jared Kushner reportedly told the Russians that he wanted to set up a back channel through which they could communicate.

Nader set up the Seychelles meeting and his boss was there and so was Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian state-owned Russian Direct Investment Fund, who Prince admits to having met with (in a bar). Interestingly, Nader's boss (aka MBZ) also made a trip to Trump Tower in December and didn't inform the State Dept which is highly unusual.

Then on December 15, 2016, a little over a month after Trump won the presidential election, the United Arab Emirates crown prince, MBZ, flew to the United States. There, he met with several Trump transition officials, including Flynn, Kushner, and Bannon. What was strange about this was that MBZ did not inform the Obama administration that he was traveling to the US, as major foreign leaders usually do. Trump’s team didn’t disclose the meeting either, and it too remained secret for several months.

And don't worry about all the boo-hiss getting thrown at this OP, surely the daily anti-Hillary,Obama,Dems thread will be up soon so they can all go woot woot go team again...LOL

Oh, I'm not worried. I'm just pointing out the obvious as it's happening.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: RickyD

Could you explain what about this thread of my doing "paints Trump negatively?"

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You'd rather talk about me, my posting habits, yadda yadda than address basic facts. Please, tell me what about the OP is inaccurate? Or unfair?

If you think that the OP "paints" Trump negatively, then you think that reality "paints" Trump negatively. If you can't acknowledge facts when they are presented to you, then that's your problem isn't it?

Cute. But, unfortunately for you, the people you are desperately trying to influence day after day are not buying the BS.

Of course 'reality' can paint a negative picture of Trump, as it can anyone (especially in politics)...if you take every accusation (which were, you know, really made) whether wild or with substance, every wrongdoing of every person associated to Trump, directly or tenuously, leave out ALL the positive elements and then string them together into a daily narrative, which is what you do.


.and right on queue (above) you introduce a 'Trump associate' and child porn into the discussion.
..oh and some 'curious' meeting in January 2017 that has nothing to do with any election and is not curious in any way. If Trump was chatting to Putin himself in January 2017, that would be a good thing and nothing untoward.

Please don't pretend you are interested in debates.

I'm going to say it's probably true but also common for governments to do this. Israel always offers to help candidates they keep a list of American Jews and will leverage them for a candidate they support. Then there is probably revenge involved to. During the administration of President Barack Obama, the U.S. State Department sent $350,000 to an Israeli organization, OneVoice, which used the funds to try to oust Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. So I'm guessing Netanyahu would have had no problem helping Trump.

a reply to: UKTruth

Are you refuting anything specifically or just aimlessly trying to distract from facts that have you triggered?

Reality doesn't care that you don't want to believe that Trump and his people are whores and foreign governments know it. We've got this #. Cohen trying to extort the Qataris (who btw are now onboard to bail out the Kushner family's $1.6 billion boondoggle, 666 Fifth Ave, which doesn't bring anywhere near enough to pay the mortgage),

Speaking of which, Elliott Broidy is suing Qatar because he's saying that hacked and leaked his emails. Those emails showed all sorts of interesting things about how he was using his connections to Trump:

Mr. Broidy offered tickets to V.I.P. inauguration events, including a candlelight dinner attended by Mr. Trump, to a Congolese strongman accused of funding a lavish lifestyle with public resources. He helped arrange a meeting with Republican senators and offered a trip to Mar-a-Lago, the president’s private Florida resort, for an Angolan politician. And he arranged an invitation to a party at Mr. Trump’s Washington hotel for a Romanian parliamentarian facing corruption charges, who posted a photograph with the president on Facebook.

And of course, Broidy is also in business with Nader:

Mr. Nader helped Circinus gain access to U.A.E.’s crown prince, while also using Mr. Broidy as a conduit to shape Trump administration policy toward the Persian Gulf on behalf of the U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia, both American allies. Mr. Broidy, in turn, appears to have helped Mr. Nader get his photograph taken with Mr. Trump at a fund-raiser, over the unspecified objections of the Secret Service. Mr. Nader has been convicted on charges related to child pornography and sexual abuse of minors.

Broidy has $200 million in "defense"/"counterterrorism" related contracts with UAE (which if you're keeping up, Nader's boss is the defacto leader of) and was in talks with Saudi Arabia for similar when the first stories about him broke.

In what world does this not look bad? And exactly whose fault is it? Do you think Trump is some lily white pillar of ethics, integrity and morality who just happens to swim in his very own swamp filled with all these people?

He's no luminary, what you're seeing is burning swamp gas.

But it's my fault that reality hurts feelings. And it's the media's fault. It's the FBI's fault. Mueller's fault. It's Obama's fault. It's everybody's fault but Trump. Everyone's just so biased that they've made up all these facts. If you believe that Trump doesn't know about all this corruption, then you must also believe that he's a blind fool.

a reply to: UKTruth

Like I said, you can't argue with the facts so you just spin around like a broken robot squeaking about nothing. Anyone not in your cult, anyone capable of objective thought can read your posts in this thread and see that you cannot refute the facts and that you are desperately scurrying to and fro, trying to draw attention away from them.

I don't care about influencing you and slightly less about the others. You're a lost hope. If Trump murdered your entire family, your personality would split and the new personality would kill the old one off and put on a MAGA hat.

I honestly could not care less. If you want to debate facts, let's do it. Otherwise, you're just harassing me because you're triggered.

So it seems that they wanted Erik Prince to be the go between for their back channel to Putin. A guy that wouldnt seem to suspicious globe trotting around the world. Ex Navy Seal you'd think he could handle himself pretty well. Surely he would have been paid handsomely, probably why he wanted the CP guys involved. Another set of paychecks from them as well.
Perhaps the reason he lied to congress is that admitting he was working with or for the campaign would open up a whole lot more questions with more legal ramifications than a simple "no, I'll just perjure myself thank you"

I wonder if his whereabouts and travels during all this time are documented somewhere?

It seems that the Trump campaign or at least a few of its top members wanted to make some shady dealings. But, in all fairness it does seem that they decided against following through with at least some of them for legality reasons.

It is possible that some of these meetings were set up by outside parties for the sole purpose of enriching themselves. I think Trumps lawyer Cohen did the same thing. Set up those meetings without Trumps knowledge to enrich himself.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Well, I am not refuting that some Arabs went to Trump Tower. It's also highly possible (and good news) that Trump set up a back channel to Putin after he won the election. After all, he said publicly he was going to do exactly that.

If you think that some people who are associated to Trump, however tenuously, trying use their connections to make money is even somewhat surprising, then you really do have your head in the sand.

There is no evidence at all that Trump is trading favours for cash, yet you call him, and his 'people', 'whores'

Then you have the audacity to call me triggered!