FBI report debunks popular anti-gun myth

Proponents of gun confiscation/gun control often claim the "Good guy with a gun" axiom is actually a myth, and that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals.

FBI recently put out a document regarding "mass shootings" and included some very detailed stats. Among them, 11 mass shooters were stopped by police while 8 of them were stopped by Citizens

I'll let FBI's report finish this post.....

www.fbi.gov...

*FYI, 3 of the shooters were wearing body armor during the attack. It does not specify whether it was soft armor or plate armor, but either way this illustrates the increasing need for more firepower and specialized ammunition to defeat threats.

originally posted by: JBurns
Proponents of gun confiscation/gun control often claim the "Good guy with a gun" axiom is actually a myth, and that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals.

FBI recently put out a document regarding "mass shootings" and included some very detailed stats. Among them, 11 mass shooters were stopped by police while 8 of them were stopped by Citizens

I'll let FBI's report finish this post.....

www.fbi.gov...

*FYI, 3 of the shooters were wearing body armor during the attack. It does not specify whether it was soft armor or plate armor, but either way this illustrates the increasing need for more firepower and specialized ammunition to defeat threats.

Is that BS actually believed by anybody??

I suppose it is and that is tragic, but in the real world, being able to defend yourself is of the utmost importance! Regardless of whatever brainwashed servitude mentality has been indoctrinated into the individual.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Agreed! I am unsure how many folks outside the anti-gun circles believe their rhetoric, but I've always found the facts speak for themselves

And this is only documenting mass shootings. The number of Citizens who use firearms to defend themselves from criminals and non-mass shooters goes largely under-reported. Reason is (IMO) that many are "psychological stops" (the best kind of stop, if you ask me!) and do not result in any shots fired

I am thankful we live in a country to be able to protect ourselves from the violent criminals/murders who will *always* be there. They will never go away, but neither will we

a reply to: JBurns

Mass shootings are somewhat rare though.

I've seen a few videos, not mass shootings. Where the person/s defending themselves were as much a danger to themselves as the assailant. I guess that training can only do so much though since one cannot fully predict what one would do when bullets start flying or a weapon is pulled.

With that being said, every second counts and even a terrible shot with nerves like a Doe would be preferable than nobody with a gun.

It's not always about shooting the assailant dead bit buying innocent people valuable time. A few heroes did that during the Tunisia terror attack.

a reply to: JBurns

A government department that was founded by a paranoid homosexual cross-dressing megalomaniac should be believed?

I think your future looks grim, guns or no guns. Personally I say do not give them more firepower, they have more than enough.

Otherwise, the future may start to look like this movie (great for the CT crowd by the way!)

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

North Hollywood Shootout

It's not necessarily about more firepower but having the right kind.

That incident scared a lot of cops... Ya know, people with families to go home to at night?

It should read Teachers stop almost all of them had common sense prevailed and they were allowed to defend themselves and those whom they teach.

Thing most folks forget, at least in a mass shooting the shooter is not interested in a gun fight. Simply being confronted by an armed person often ends the rampage.

Oh and Unpossible... everyone knows gun free zone signs are the only thing that stop mass killings.

Schrodingers FBI - Everyone hates when them when Trump is mentioned, yet their reports matter on this?

As for "Proponents of gun confiscation/gun control often claim the "Good guy with a gun" axiom is actually a myth, and that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals. "

It's also a fact that countries where guns are illegal, mass shootings don't really happen. Imagine that, you probably can't at this point.

a reply to: JBurns

Proponents of gun confiscation/gun control often claim the "Good guy with a gun" axiom is actually a myth, and that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals.

I don't believe I've ever seen anyone state that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals.

I wonder if the FBI might be worrying about the side of the line the Good Guys with Guns are perceiving them (the FBI) to be on these days. Looks to me like their 'agency' was trying to undermine the election or overthrow the government.

If the Good Guys with Guns decided they were going to do something about this, I wonder if the President would lift a finger to try and stop it.

originally posted by: Taggart
It's also a fact that countries where guns are illegal, mass shootings don't really happen. Imagine that, you probably can't at this point.

Evil exists everywhere. If it's not guns it's explosives, cars, trucks or by gosh airplanes. According to a study by the CDC, Defensive Gun Use are common in the US, "with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year."

Oh by the way Mass Shooting in Australia

a reply to: JBurns

So in this case the FBI is to be believed and trusted?

But on other matters, not so much.

Interesting...

originally posted by: Taggart
Schrodingers FBI - Everyone hates when them when Trump is mentioned, yet their reports matter on this?

As for "Proponents of gun confiscation/gun control often claim the "Good guy with a gun" axiom is actually a myth, and that armed citizens "never" stop shooters/criminals. "

It's also a fact that countries where guns are illegal, mass shootings don't really happen. Imagine that, you probably can't at this point.

I'd imagine that you are have no clue about that you are talking about. Imagine that.

Between January 1, 2009, and December 31, 2013,there were 413 fatalities from mass shootings in the 34 member states of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). From the five-year period of 2008-2012, there were 373 total spree shooting fatalities.

According to the OECD’s latest version of the Rampage Shooting Index, a pair of deadly shootings in Switzerland in early 2013 pushed the U.S. out of the top five OECD nations for the most per capita fatalities, but the U.S. continues to have the most rampage shooting deaths (one reason could be its size – The U.S. population accounts for 25 percent of the OECD total). However, the U.S. saw a drop in mass shooting deaths from 93 in 2012 to 68 in 2013.

The U.S.' index of 0.12 per 5,000,000 places it behind Norway (recall the Anders Breivik massacre), Finland, Slovakia, Israel, and Switzerland - at half the ratio.

As far as mass shootings in the civilized world, the US isn't even in the top five, per capita.

Another thing one might note: The top 5 countries for mass shootings per capita all have “restrictive” gun policies.

And I am assuming that Paris, the site of an armed ISIS attack that killed 130 civilians and the location of Charlie Hedbo magazine attacks that killed 12 people and injured 11 people didn't happen in your world.

But keep slinging the crap around and other liberals will believe it, right?

/facepalm.

originally posted by: joemoe

originally posted by: Taggart
It's also a fact that countries where guns are illegal, mass shootings don't really happen. Imagine that, you probably can't at this point.

Evil exists everywhere. If it's not guns it's explosives, cars, trucks or by gosh airplanes. According to a study by the CDC, Defensive Gun Use are common in the US, "with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year."

Oh by the way Mass Shooting in Australia

Bravo...the one mass shooting in how many years? You do know guns are not banned in Australia, just tighter regulations. How about you show how many mass shootings in America, where the gun laws are not so tight? If they are one in a year, then you can use Australia as an example of strct gun laws not working.

a reply to: Taggart

It's also a fact that countries where guns are illegal, mass shootings don't really happen. Imagine that, you probably can't at this point.

But, but, but....

"Mass Shooting in Australia Leaves a Tiny Community in Shock and Grief"

www.nytimes.com...

...?

Now *you* imagine how this could've been different if those folks had actual firearms to defend themselves with. Not hunting weapons, but true defensive firearms. That these innocent victims had any disadvantage against these violent thugs whatsoever is unacceptable. The good guys/innocent victims need all the advantages. If you're fighting fair with violent criminals, then you're doing it wrong.

a reply to: FakeNews9999

Australia has a higher Rape rate, Assault rate, Burglary rate, Robbery rate (twice the United States), and has a 7% HIGHER suicide rate than the United States.

I wouldn't point to Aus. as anything other than a failed gun-free zone.

Oh yeah, and ranked #1 in the world for "total crime victims" because a disarmed society is a society of victims.

Ranked 1st. 43% more than United States

www.nationmaster.com...

Sure you want to be proud of those stats? Looks to me like "Mass shootings" are about the only thing you've cut down on. If anything, those numbers prove gun control increases the number of crime victims - specifically violent crime victims

*ALSO: A good number of USA "shooting victims" are actually violent criminals themselves who were killed by other violent criminals. We don't look at those numbers when considering what laws make sense, since it is the innocent law abiding Citizens I'm concerned with.

Not saying our numbers are perfect either. But you have to admit, singling firearms out as the sole cause of a nation's woes is frankly impossible. As many incidents have shown, these incidents will happen regardless of what tool the attacker has available. And in the case of a deadly incident, someone with a firearm *could* (I emphasize could) stop the shooter from carrying out the maximum potential carnage.

When is the last time anyone heard of a defender shooting an innocent bystander? I can certainly point you to the most recent incident of a criminal/terrorist doing it.

a reply to: JBurns

Now *you* imagine how this could've been different if those folks had actual firearms to defend themselves with. Not hunting weapons, but true defensive firearms. That these innocent victims had any disadvantage against these violent thugs whatsoever is unacceptable. The good guys/innocent victims need all the advantages. If you're fighting fair with violent criminals, then you're doing it wrong.

You do realize that the "violent thugs" in this case (from your link) appears to be the man of the house, correct?

The police say they believe that Peter Miles shot his wife, Cynda Miles, who was a prominent member of the community; their daughter Katrina Miles; and their four grandchildren before calling the police and then taking his own life...

The Miles family lived together on a property on Osmington Road, Osmington, a quiet rural area 13 miles outside the town of Margaret River. Officers arrived on the scene early Friday morning to find the bodies with bullet wounds, and recovered three rifles from the scene — all licensed to Mr. Miles.

a reply to: JBurns

So Australia is a failed gun free state in your mind....

I would comment further but I'm not sure you have the capacity to understand so I will leave you to wallow in your ignorance....

a reply to: JBurns

The violent thug was their father/grandfather.

And by all accounts, the kids were sleeping.

They could have had a whole armory and it wouldn't have done jack # to defend them against someone they're supposed to trust to protect them...with his legally owned guns...that he used on them.