101 years from Fatima apparitions

The 100th anniversary is over...but not the prophecy.

Having still a secret kept secret, with occasional leaks of the next visions of Lucia, we can only guess what Our Lady indeed said on July 13, 1917 after the first and second secrets.

The Sun stays as the central image of Fatima, seen on October 13, 1917 not just by the 3 seers but also by a crowd of 70,000 people. Those people were mostly peasants but also atheists, journalists and authority. Perhaps the secret is connected with the sun itself.

a reply to: 2012newstart

I know Ratzinger released a theological commentary on the third secret but wasn't there a story that Pope Frank was going to release the text of the the prophecy on the anniversary ?

Ratzinger said: “In the vision we can recognize the last century as a century of martyrs, a century of suffering and persecution for the Church, a century of World Wars and the many local wars which filled the last fifty years and have inflicted unprecedented forms of cruelty. “In the ‘mirror’ of this vision we see passing before us the witnesses of the faith decade by decade,” he added.
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Pictures of the Miracle from my old thread.
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Was the Fatima Miracle a Mass UFO Sighting

a reply to: gortex

Unfortunately, p.Francis didn't.

Thank you for the posted photography! It shows clear where the sun was at noon, on the horizon.

While (then) card.Ratzinger's commentary is technically correct (on the vision, not on the missing secret), it is strange how those people dedicated to God are preoccupied with their own wellbeing and their own salvage of life. Isn't it they are all dedicated to shed their blood if necessary,a s the first dozens of popes? Is that the true reason for the Mother of God to travel from heaven to Earth? Did she travel to announce that the second after Peter St Linus, and the third St Cletus, and.... will shed their blood?

Instead, what is the relevant part for all the world, immediately after the words of the Second Part and before the words "At the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph" that those people hided?

Falling sun...how could the sun fall to earth? Two options only:

1. Earth changes its orbit "falling"towards the sun
2. Sun explodes and expands (as its distant future is predicted by science to be)

And there are insiders who speak similar, a mega solar event to be expected, most likely triggered by outside factor for the solar system (either passing by massive body, or some wave coming from outside the system). By the time that will be a top news on CNN, we may have only one week if we are lucky. Heaven has warned us, and those responsible preferred to silence its voice.

a reply to: 2012newstart

we may have only one week if we are lucky. Heaven has warned us, and those responsible preferred to silence its voice.

Hey, look on the bright side, some people don't even have a week.

And anyway, what has heaven warned us? That we are all going to die? I think that's a given!

It's all chicken little stuff, why not forget all that and just enjoy life!

originally posted by: 2012newstart
The 100th anniversary is over...but not the prophecy.

Having still a secret kept secret, with occasional leaks of the next visions of Lucia, we can only guess what Our Lady indeed said on July 13, 1917 after the first and second secrets.

The Sun stays as the central image of Fatima, seen on October 13, 1917 not just by the 3 seers but also by a crowd of 70,000 people. Those people were mostly peasants but also atheists, journalists and authority. Perhaps the secret is connected with the sun itself.

All religions can be traced back to sun and moon worship. Humans have been obsessed with celestial movements and astronomic norms. Sun goes up, goes down, moon goes up, goes down and rinse and repeat. All you gotta do is make some sort of man made ritual connected to that cycle and boom, religion is born.
Thing is humans know why the sun goes up and down now, it's not mystery. We know more about our solar system than our own oceans. We should start worshiping large bodies of water instead.

Looking for the prophecies it is difficult to find a real verbatim text. Especially the third where they dance around. My Opinion.

a reply to: Plotus
The text exists, as Our Lady has given it to three not one seers. Certain people have seen it, including cardinal ottaviani (who endorsed Neues Europa version) and Malachi Martin.

Apparently the interests of 1.4 bln catholics and in fact the whole humanity to know the truth of its future exactly the way communicated by heaven (and approved by the church), are sacrificed for the interests of let say no more than 500- 1,000 individuals clothed in power.

Personally, I am fed up with. Especially when insiders speak of what will happen or what is happening.

It is time to think of post-Petrus Romanus era of the Church (ref. Malachi).

Perhaps it's past time to see these "visions" and secrets as what they are: fairytales and myths.

With all the things I'm watching at the moment I would hazard a guess that the 3rd revelation was a warning about the end times coming about.

What I'm watching.

1 The end of the first 2 days of the "day of Jezreel" prophecy of Hosea and the start of the 3rd. This prophecy predicted that Israel was to be cursed, destroyed, and then reinstated. The destruction lasting 2000 years and the restoration of Israel lasting 1000 years.

2 The fig tree parables. Per Matthew 24 the Apocalypse was compared to fig leaves opening up on a fig tree in the spring. If the rebirth of Israel in 1948 was a fig leaf then the "generation" of Matthew 24 is now on 70 years approximately. The Apocalypse is out of time. Major apocalyptic events would be coming due in the next 2-5 years.

3 The prophesies of Daniel. The prophesies of Daniel are supposed to happen in the end times. Problem is with that day of Jezreel prophecy pushed the end times out by 2000 years. Anything that happened in the BC era would be irrelevant. The prophesies would be occurring at the end of the 2000 year curse.

Now if you compare the predicted events of Daniel with recent history there is several events that seem to line up to prophecy.

Daniel 11-2 the first events of Daniel's Apocalypse.
4 nations/kings would attack from the middle east and one would be richer than the others. This lines up nicely with the 9-11 attacks.
Daniel 8 has the 2nd and 3 events. 2 nations/kings would be conquered in the middle east. This lines up nicely with the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan.

And a complication. In Matthew 24 we're told of the event that precedes the coming of the Lord. The days of the tribulation of the carcass. And the complication? In Daniel 8 there is a carcass. The ram after it loses the battle of the ram and the goat.

We would appear to be in the "days of the tribulation of the carcass".

I would say the Apocalypse is on and trying to sneak in like a thief in the night.

a reply to: ntech

itis always a possibility we approach the end times. However they were expected with many proofs at their time on many occasions in history. Could the men in year 1000 believe there will be 1000+ years more?

May be it is the time to close Fatima gate and to turn the page. To forgive in other words.
But that to happen, one needs to see some desire of change to better by those who created that. Because the Fatima gate was not created by the common people like me who search the truth, it was created by those who hided the truth. Those people could simply be retired.

And I will say more: may be it is the time to think of RELOCATION of the Catholic headquarters, along with multiple retirements of key figures that cannot start thinking in a new way. In order to avoid not only what has been prophesied in Fatima official vision and in St Malachi prophecy of the popes. But much more, to have a new beginning for those billion and a half people who still pay respect to the world's oldest institution. After all, Jesus never told Peter, go to Rome you are appointed bishop there, king of kings, and so on. It is all human work in later centuries. That culminates in Fatima gate. it has to have a new start, one way or another.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Why does it have to have a new start? Why not just let the whole thing drop and see it for what it is?

What good has any prophetic claim ever done?

The truth is that we all die. It might be that we all die together in some sort of major cataclysm, it doesn't make much difference either way.

It's really just religious doom porn.

a reply to: midicon

If you don't understand the significance of prophecy I cannot make that for you. Prophecy is a time window, looking into the future. Often in symbols in Biblical times. New prophecy is much more specific.

perhaps some people who choose the End times will live the End times. Other people, majority I think, who choose Peace and Love, will leave the Era of Peace.

Time is relative, proves Einstein.

a reply to: 2012newstart

If you don't understand the significance of prophecy I cannot make that for you. Prophecy is a time window, looking into the future. Often in symbols in Biblical times. New prophecy is much more specific.

Perhaps you could give me an example where prophecy has proved useful? Symbols in Biblical times would perhaps be open to all manner of interpretation...and most likely refer to those times and relevant issues.

Edit to add...

Sometimes I enter a thread where I have no business being. This just might be such an occasion. So if I may, I will gently back pedal out of here and wish you well.

Regards Midicon.

a reply to: 2012newstart
Do your research please and try to avoid anything the RC church published. The visions the children saw were initially described as a young girl. In fact there is lots of info available about the sightings it all changes though when the RC church steps in. Prophesies were added later in fact Lucia was not allowed to be interviewed whilst alone. As I said earlier do your research there's lots of info out there. To cut a long story short the church took ownership of it.

a reply to: redchad

why don't you develop your version in more paragraphs?

I did mine and continue to do it.

North Korea escalation, as well as Middle East, only throw weight on the importance of the prophecy Today. And that unknown main element the ex-jesuit Malachi Martin talks about, that even the fearful Neues Europa version doesn't contain.

a reply to: 2012newstart
If you want to learn the facts you have to do it yourself as I've stated don't believe anything the Catholic Church states.

Firstly you are aware that the first apparitions seen were by Lucia and a friend Carolina Carreira and the later apparitions were witnessed by Lucia and her cousins.

The main and important documents to be studied are at the Fatima shrine they are: the original Parish Inquiry conducted in the same year of 1917 by the local priest of Fatima and the Official Interrogations of 1923.

The Being of Fatima, Portugal, in the 1917 oak tree apparition, as interpreted according to the first description provided by Lucia to the Parochial Inquiry.

She was an apparently feminine and very beautiful figure. She was wrapped in a light "that blinded."

She measured approximately 3 1/2 feet tall.

She appeared to be between 12 and 15 years old.

She wore a skirt, a coat, and maybe a cape, which were white.

Her skirt and robe had a checkered pattern of gold thread.

She had two or three cords at her waist.

She wore something on her head that covered her ears and hair.

She had black eyes.

She had a some type of hoop earrings at her neck, and a luminous ball at her waist.

She came from above and disappeared, little by little, back up into the sky.

She made no facial movements and did not move her legs.

She spoke without moving her lips.

She moved only her hands, once in a while.

She turned her back to the children when she rose up in the sky.

Please note at no stage do any of the witnesses state that the apparition was the Virgin Mary it is only years later that the apparition is given this title. Guess by who?

There was 60000 people witnessed the last vision which has since been called the miracle of the sun. You can see and research newspaper cuttings from the time. Isn't it funny that none of these records written within days of the event mention the Virgin Mary and none mention prophesies. These were all added later by the RC church.

thank you for your input!
yes there are more apparitions not only 6, more angel's apparitions, etc. I have no doubt of the identity of Virgin Mary. I have doubt of the identity of the old Sr Lucia who differed much from the younger Lucia, in handwriting and facial expression. May be just old age...

Pope Francis named today the bishop of Fatima António dos Santos Marto as one of the new cardinals to be created on June 29. Could he be the one to release the real secret?