Politics and the movies.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Bluntone22

Luke took three movies to gain the skills to defeat Vader.

Luke took all of one day to learn the Force and destroy the Death Star.

That hole wasn't much smaller than the wamp rats he used to bullseye back home.
Nobody flinched at him killing innocent animals for fun.
But a Mary Sue or in this case a Gary sue is great at everything, Luke had many flaws.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
That hole wasn't much smaller than the wamp rats he used to bullseye back home.
Nobody flinched at him killing innocent animals for fun.
But a Mary Sue or in this case a Gary sue is great at everything, Luke had many flaws.

But he still needed to 'use the Force' which he learned the day before. His additional 'training' with Yoda was also quite laughable in its brevity. Star Wars, like all fantasy, requires that you suspend disbelief, which I willing do every time I watch any episode, old or new, since it is all quite unbelievable.

However, this thread isn't about the many film's obvious plot holes, it's about marys who trigger themselves into seeing politics everywhere.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Grimpachi

So most of your concerns are addressed in the cannon but this thread is not really so much about Star Wars as it’s more about the problems that come with disliking a movie based on its political message.

Did you watch the video??

Re-read what I said.

If the plot had been good the political overtones wouldn't stand out. Lucas star wars had political overtones that meshed with the story where you barely noticed. It was art imitating reality. These new star wars are political messages pushed to the front with lose story telling at best.

It was bad.

Plot holes.
Bad acting.
And a lack of any real lightsaber duel asside...

The vitrue signaling from the last SW movie was a bit much. The thing the OP failed to address was the volume of movies that do this has quadrupled in the last few years and it's always leaning one direction. You rarely see a positive conservative character. Meanwhile overrepresenting other groups in an always positive light. If I remember correctly there were a few LGBTQ groups upset because they felt underrepresented in the latest SW movie. Once you start trying to appease everyone you inevitably take away from the original product.

Could you imagine the reception Misses Doubtfire would receive at this day and age? It would be banned!


I blame this for the falure of many of the movies that push these BS narratives. Ghostbusters being an excellent example of a bunch of authoritarians ruining an amazing franchise.

Star Wars movies had plot holes long before this last pile of steaming Sith. I loved the first three, but then the next three were terrible. Then Rogue One was great and the 1st reboot with Rey was okay even though it wasn’t a very original plot.

This last movie stunk. Politics were in it and annoying, but the plot was terrible. If you add in the forced feeling cast diversity and the portrayal of white males as evil it only got worse. Hopefully now that they have killed off the white patriarchy they can get back to making good movies.

We will see.

times change. mrs. doubtfire has a super creepy plot. and i liked the ghostbusters.

why not just boil it down to the real beef, some people hate it when the culture changes because they're afraid they're being left behind. and they might be right... some things should be left behind.

too bad, so sad. get to work on that time machine that transports you to imaginary realities i guess...

My only question is Why is diversity in filmmaking so offensive?

I'll start another thread about why calling a person a Social Justice Warrior is used by some as a pejorative.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
My only question is Why is diversity in filmmaking so offensive?

I'll start another thread about why calling a person a Social Justice Warrior is used by some as a pejorative.

When diversity is formulaic and forced it detracts from the story.

As far as SJWs being a negative thing...they brought that on themselves by being annoying and getting into everyone’s business.

I think John Todd summed up star wars pretty well. It basically promotes witchcraft.

They only character worth a darn anymore is Boba Fett. The rest have all been destroyed.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
My only question is Why is diversity in filmmaking so offensive?

I'll start another thread about why calling a person a Social Justice Warrior is used by some as a pejorative.

Nobody is saying diversity is offensive.
I actually named several movies with strong female leads.
The problem is the forcing "no pun intended" of characters on the audience at the expense of good story telling..

The main problem I have in these modern times are the actors, producers, etc promoting their own political, social causes very loudly outside their profession.

Unfortunately, these egotistical, overpaid entertainment types ruin it for me when I see them in a movie now because I can't believe their character because all I think about is what their big mouths had spouted loudly and profusely on a talk or news show the night before.

They make it really hard to separate the two. Used to love Tom Cruise, now can't see any of his old or new movies and there are many more.

The actors, etc. are just ruining their own industry; that's why theatre seats go empty.

originally posted by: Justso


The actors, etc. are just ruining their own industry; that's why theatre seats go empty.

Granted theater seats are empty, but it's because....why pay $10 for a movie ticket when you can streme it on your
home media center for $8.00 a month on netflix or hulu.. And $6.00 popcorn...wtf? Not politics..

As a SAG/AFTRA actor and an IATSE union film crew member; to me the industry is doing just fine. I get to pick and choose the projects I want to work on. With new technology, more films and TV is being made than ever before. People even watch feature length films on their phone. I'm on set now. Overtime. The indy film/ made for TV market is exploding. I even have a small production company making commercials, political campaign spots, indy feature movies, festival shorts and sporting events.

Why do you think they have built this beautiful facility where I work if the industry is ruined.

abqstudios.com...

The thing is, modern blockbusters can be political, as well as quite thoughtful and not pandering towards progressive insanity.
Black Panther, for instance had a villain who was to me everything terrible about groups like antifa: a bitter anarchist who wanted to tear everything, including his own roots down for the perceived sins of people long since dead.
The hero was more interested in forging alliances and seeding a strong vision of the future, not tearing people apart (figuratively and literally).
Was very pleasantly surprised by the political message of that movie.

The last Star Wars however, yeesh. Did they ever explain why they trashed a space casino other than because it had rich people who liked space horse racing?
Also so great that the original overarching message in Star Wars, you know, about accomplishing great things against all odds when you believe in yourself, got replaced with "follow orders or you'll get everyone killed."

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
Good is starting to lose more and more and a lot of villians are always seemed to be portrayed with some kind of moral justification or seems as if they do everything they can to say make Thanos the villain but also loved or liked or at the least accepting of what he is trying to do.

to me it doesn't seem to be about trying to make the villain lovable so much as it is rooting character motivations in an understandable place... which makes a more nuanced viewing experience, for me at least.

Yes this is what I thought at first and still am on the fence as to I did not super analyze the film and only saw it twice. When I thought big picture and other connections and the overall storyline it pushed me as fishy.

a reply to: olaru12

Obviously, being in the industry, you have a certain point of view. Theatres around here and everything I have read say the industry is really hurting due to a number of things.

It's my opinion, I haven't been to a theatre in years, that numbers are way down but Netflix etc are making more quality movies just not as profitable.

I do believe the movie going crowd is not manipulated as easily as the past and these celebrities and their foolish entitlement behavior does hurt their careers. And no one cares about their politics despite their monster egos.

Glad you are doing well; the industry is changing and blockbuster movies are being downsized-I believe egomaniacal celebrities and their political opinions will eventually quieten down when they find they arn't relevant anymore.

a reply to: olaru12

Theaters are empty because they don’t make good movies anymore. Sure, here is the occasional decent flick, but by and large they lost the magic of movies made in the 80s and 90s.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The problem is the politics in movies is to predictable and mostly one sided by the most preachiest hypcritical group of people, which makes it obnoxious.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin



Don't give me any "afraid of strong women" crap either.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
There are lots of strong female in movies that should be admired.

Ripely from the alien franchise.
Sarah Connor from terminator.
Furiosa from fury road.
Lorraine from atomic blonde.

All well written characters.

Thats the funny thing nobody cared about women being the lead or playing a strong character until hollywood made it into an issue that never existed.

then act like they made some new revolutionary breakthrough that a women can all the sudden be the lead strong character.

a reply to: interupt42

well those films had full grown women playing leads and were tough as nails. They even smoked cigarettes and had wrinkles.

Now the female leads are 15year old 90 lb plastic looking divas who can take out an entire navy seal team without breaking a sweat. Its a little different than Sarah Conner and Ripley.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

It's nothing new. Movies have always reflected our society. The baddies in movies have been reflections on our fears. The Nazis and Russians were such for years. Then in the 80's it was Central Americans to reflect the ones at that time. Most recently Arabs are portrayed as the enemy. I'm not talking about war movies, even such as Blade. Trinity's enemy was the first vampire...from Iraq. That's a far ways from the traditional eastern Europe. But people have to identify with what is being portrayed.

Social issues? Holy crap. They are everywhere in the movies. No one needs to look far for those. As for Star Wars let's face it. The newer movies are crap...compared to the original 3. Episode 1 turned me off BIG time. The following 2 had decent parts but I could have missed them without regret. These new movies? Really don't care. As for a chick being the star, no prob. A black dude as a stormtrooper makes no sense to me. Weren't they all clones of Janga Fett? So in this aspect I can see attempting social equality screwing with films. But that's WAY low on a list of what's wrong in the Star Wars world.