The issue with atheism

originally posted by: turbonium1
So ironic, isn't it?

Science is largely based on authority figures, speaking about what it true, what is false, and all the scientists have faith in what their authorities say as true, or false, and will refuse to believe anyone who disputes their 'Gods' of science..

The only difference being that Science allows it's Holy Texts to be changed and re-written.

a reply to: Iwasneverhere

Why do you think I'm to pigheaded to see
that life proves that life exists? I don't
remember refuting that ever.

And if you think it does nothing to explain
how life got here? Well I disagree with that.

I have seen no evidence to prove life
comes from anywhere but life. When
I see life just pop into existence after
billions of years maybe then you can
say life doesn't come only from life.
Til then the way to explain it is the
living God. Even the scientific observable
evidence we see in life everyday can't
be ignored because of some conjecture.
Life only comes from life I"m not
twisting the truth here am I.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Science has become a platform for promoting such types of atheism.

No. Some people might use science to defend their atheism. But science is not changed into anything. It's a means of empirically measuring and analysing observable phenomena.

We are not created, we do not exist in another form. We came from apes. Life was created out of nothing more than slimy heaps of crap, over 5 billion years, give or take a billion, all by random 'chance'.
That's atheism at it's worst.

Again, no. Atheism is saying I don't believe your claim that God is real based on your lack of evidence. Nothing more.

Just as I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, Odin, Ra, Cthulhu or any other mythical figure. I am not defined by what made-up figures I do not believe in. I am not an aOdinist, or an aRaist or an aCthulhuist.

Science is impartial. it doesn't care what you "believe". It only tells you what the facts are. If you don't want to believe in gravity, or the earth is round, or how amino acids, the building blocks of life, can be made by the interaction of otherwise inorganic elements, then that's your belief. But the evidence shows otherwise. (shrug)

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: turbonium1
So ironic, isn't it?

Science is largely based on authority figures, speaking about what it true, what is false, and all the scientists have faith in what their authorities say as true, or false, and will refuse to believe anyone who disputes their 'Gods' of science..

The only difference being that Science allows it's Holy Texts to be changed and re-written.

Yes because they are constantly getting scienc wrong, making stupid assumptions and botching it up.
Assumption is not scienc

The bible, how can you change history, that's stupid

Wouldn't the main issue with Atheism would be that it used as a reactionary deterrent against any or all the religion due to the neglect and abuse that caused by an religious institution?

And not so much it being a beleive, or belonging to a status quo.

Like Stallin, Castro, Saddam or maybe even Mao...The day that science is synonymous with god...well the almighty or the devil might as well be laughing cause it will yield the same boastful results.

Kill all the believers in the name of science...KILL!!! The Atom demands it!!

originally posted by: noonebutme
Atheism is saying I don't believe your claim that God is real based on your lack of evidence. Nothing more.

Just as I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, Odin, Ra, Cthulhu or any other mythical figure. I am not defined by what made-up figures I do not believe in. I am not an aOdinist, or an aRaist or an aCthulhuist.

The 'science' lines are just pathetic distractions by desperate religious people.
There is zero evidence to support any claims of gods, from abraham to zoroastrionism and everything in between, so for that reason alone I don't believe in any.
My recognition of verifiable scientific claims is entirely seperate to my lack of belief in gods, or pixies, dragons, and elves for that matter.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You hit the nail on the head. One of my biggest pet peeves is the attempts to tie in Atgeism with science. I studied and understood evolution when I was still a practicing Catholic and my love of science and decision to study it formally had absolutely no impact on losing my faith. And on the other side of the equation I know many Christians who are Biologists,Anthropologists, Geneticists and on and on.

The mindset that it has to be one or the other with no overlap is preposterous.It also completely ignores the fact that ones religion is directly correlated with where they were born and has nothing to do with the god or gods involved. That’s a little less true due to people migrating on a much larger scale with newer, faster modes if transportation the last few centuries.

Besides, if I were forced to pick a god I would go for one with more finesse and style than Yahweh. Probably one of the latter day versions of early Indo-European gods.

Even the catholic church supports biological evolution and has their own astronomical observatory and Francis Collins who used to run the Human Genome Project is a devout Christian and his work in decoding and mapping the human genome has added to our knowledge of evolution and supported aspects that were once only hypothetical. So trying to marry science and atheism is little more than intellectual dishonesty at best.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: turbonium1
So ironic, isn't it?

Science is largely based on authority figures, speaking about what it true, what is false, and all the scientists have faith in what their authorities say as true, or false, and will refuse to believe anyone who disputes their 'Gods' of science..

The only difference being that Science allows it's Holy Texts to be changed and re-written.

Yes because they are constantly getting scienc wrong, making stupid assumptions and botching it up.
Assumption is not scienc

Stupid science. How dare those atheist human heathens improve their understanding of the world in which we live when advances in technology gives us better tools with which we can obtain ore accurate data. It takes a special type of willful ignorance to claim that having more accurate information means that biologists and anthropologists are just making assumptions and presenting assumption as fact.

The bible, how can you change history, that's stupid

Sure you can change history. The bible itself is riddled with historical revisionism and outright falsehoods. But hey, at least it’s not those heathens pretending to understand science amiright?!

a reply to: peter vlar
Excellent points
One of my professors at university was a full-on believer Christian, not a preacher but open about it, and when I asked him how he views evolution with a creator God his reply was that science just explains how his god did it. 7 day creation was a symbolic expression of periods of time to him.
I accepted that as a perfectly reasonable faith position, and his beliefs did not affect his understanding of the physical processes or theories behind them.
If only more religious folk were less scared of science, because even if there is a god the theory of evolution simply explains how said god carried out it's 'creator' mission.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yeah because Christianity never split into various sects because of changing interpretations of the text.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: noonebutme
Atheism is saying I don't believe your claim that God is real based on your lack of evidence. Nothing more.

Just as I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, Odin, Ra, Cthulhu or any other mythical figure. I am not defined by what made-up figures I do not believe in. I am not an aOdinist, or an aRaist or an aCthulhuist.

The 'science' lines are just pathetic distractions by desperate religious people.
There is zero evidence to support any claims of gods, from abraham to zoroastrionism and everything in between, so for that reason alone I don't believe in any.
My recognition of verifiable scientific claims is entirely seperate to my lack of belief in gods, or pixies, dragons, and elves for that matter.

Many scientist know that your science will
never explain existence consciousness or
the origins of life. The creation can not
explain itself without the Creator. It is your
choice to be obtuse and ignorant to obvious
difference between your Father in heavem
and fairies or goblins. To compare them isn't
science it's childish politics. Quite worthless
and self centered. Unintelligent ignorance.

a reply to: noonebutme

No. Some people might use science to defend their atheism. But science is not changed into anything. It's a means of empirically measuring and analysing observable phenomena

So leave the unobservable spirit alone.

Stick to your science and be silent on the
metaphysical. Stop engaging spiritual
conversations and antagonizing as if you're
an authority.

Does nothing for that bombastic intelligent
image you keep trying to shine anyway.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: noonebutme
Atheism is saying I don't believe your claim that God is real based on your lack of evidence. Nothing more.

Just as I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, Odin, Ra, Cthulhu or any other mythical figure. I am not defined by what made-up figures I do not believe in. I am not an aOdinist, or an aRaist or an aCthulhuist.

The 'science' lines are just pathetic distractions by desperate religious people.
There is zero evidence to support any claims of gods, from abraham to zoroastrionism and everything in between, so for that reason alone I don't believe in any.
My recognition of verifiable scientific claims is entirely seperate to my lack of belief in gods, or pixies, dragons, and elves for that matter.

Dwarfs exist...

originally posted by: randyvs
Many scientist know that your science will
never explain existence consciousness or
the origins of life. The creation can not
explain itself without the Creator. It is your
choice to be obtuse and ignorant to obvious
difference between your Father in heavem
and fairies or goblins. To compare them isn't
science it's childish politics. Quite worthless
and self centered. Unintelligent ignorance.

Oh behave Randy ffs!
Claims of gods are easily compared to claims of ghosts, and goblins they share zero supporting evidence.
I don't actually give a # that science cannot conclusively explain where life came from, I don't care, and I don't feel the need to fill in the gaps of knowledge with woo claims.
Face it man, you have nothing verifiable to support your claims of a creator god, nothing at all.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

I didn't mention dwarfs, why do you? I don't see the relevance.
Pixies, elves, dragons, goblins, and gods have no evidence, but Dwarfism is a human condition so obviously I accept that.
Pull me up on dragons or whatever and I'll see your point, but otherwise I'll just assume you have nothing to argue against anything I've posted so far.

originally posted by: randyvs
So leave the unobservable spirit alone.

I can't when it is used a means of 'evidence' for the supernatural.

Stick to your science and be silent on the metaphysical. Stop engaging spiritual conversations and antagonizing as if you're
an authority.

So you're saying I can't have a view on the metaphysical, but you can have a view on atheism and science? How does that work?

I cannot criticise religion or theism or the 'metaphysical' because it offends you? Just like how the Muslims in Denmark didn't like cartoons of the prophet, or any criticisms to their faith. You're implying that because I don't believe in it, I'm not allowed to comment, critique or debate?

The thread post is, "The issue with Atheism". You've had your view. I can share mine.

Too bad if you're offended. I don't care.

Does nothing for that bombastic intelligent image you keep trying to shine anyway.

What does that even mean?

originally posted by: randyvs
Many scientist know that your science will never explain existence consciousness or the origins of life.

That's true. But your default position, in the absence of knowledge, is: God did. O_o

That's pretty poor. It proves nothing and answers nothing and enters an endless regression. Who created God? and so on, and so on. You religious types say, "Oh well he always existed". How is that an answer?

The creation can not explain itself without the Creator. It is your choice to be obtuse and ignorant to obvious
difference between your Father in heavem and fairies or goblins.

And yet there is scientific studies on how basic elements can, with the right conditions, become the basic elements needed to create the seeds of life. So, in that instance, cold, unfeeling matter *can* become life.

No God needed.

To compare them isn't science it's childish politics. Quite worthless and self centered. Unintelligent ignorance.

No it isn't. It's how we learn and evolve. Well, except for you I guess. You are happy to live in your cave and worship a God you have no proof exists except for what you 'feel' or whatever it is you assert to us you do.

Science is the only way we will learn about ourselves and the universe. The *ONLY* way. Religion had its time. And it failed. It created groups of hateful, spiteful and ignorance people who flee at the first sign of intellectual illumination.

C'mon man. Join us. Join is in knowledge and intelligence. Leave the stupidity behind.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Your post is indicative to your obvious lack of
knowledge. You have nothing even viable to
this conversation. You're being ridiculous and
hateful and that's it. Educate yourself or be
silent. Or both.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Yes because they are constantly getting scienc wrong, making stupid assumptions and botching it up.
Assumption is not scienc

The bible, how can you change history, that's stupid

And that's the beauty of science. It can change and adapt to new information. As we learn and develop our intelligence as people, so too do our instruments of analysis and discovery.

As our tools advance, so does our ability to dig deeper and find out new information, see things we couldn't see before. That's what science is and what it does.

The bible cannot, does not and will not. It can't change. You can't change doctrine without ripping out the foundations of the religion. Hence why the Church was so against science and discovery 600 years ago. Anything that could undermine its authority resulted in death.

Scientists don't kill each other when new knowledge comes along

Oh and the bible is not a historical account. It's a collection of stories. No moron truly believes the Earth was created in 6 days....right? Right, Raggedyman, right Randyvs?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Your post is indicative to your obvious lack of
knowledge. You have nothing even viable to
this conversation. You're being ridiculous and
hateful and that's it. Educate yourself or be
silent. Or both.

Lol no, you are the one who looks ridiculous, making claims of gods, like claiming goblins exist then expecting people to believe you...because 'you know' LMFAO, you know # all, you just have blind faith.