President Trump Wins The Release of All U.S. Prisoners in North Korea.

If it works out that North Korea truly wants to be at peace with the rest of the world,that would be great. It still want change the fact that tRump is the lowest piece of an#t to ever enter the white house.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: strongfp

I think you may be missing the fact that Trump has met with the leaders of each country you mentioned.

Yea. And?

So has pretty much every leader of every nation within the last few years or year.

The bottom line is Trump did no make the final decision and should not be given and should not be given the credit he deserves. Both Korean leaders made the final decision.
Also, I am pretty sure China played a MUCH bigger role than Trump did considering they now control their own Oil dollar and are the largest importer of coal from NK. All Trump wanted was a piece of the coal pie and to not lose complete control of the petro dollar to China.
It doesn't take a genius to follow news, and global events.
The only role Trump played was the fact he has the biggest military behind his words, nothing more. Once again, not Trump but rather the United states of America's military industrial complex flexing, Trump was just the 'guy' to pull the trigger.

This speaks volumes

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: carewemust

Yes. Lets just forget all the other political influences around the world that probably played much heavier hand in this situation than Trump did... China, Japan, perhaps?

How do you figure? It wasn't those country's leaders that went to seal the Art of the Deal...it was Trump alone? I find it hard to believe that you think China and Russia had one thing to do with the release of American citizens. They hate us. You freaking Liberals just can't give one inch of respect or credit to our President. So vile and hateful against a person you've never even met and who has done nothing to you personally. That's the power of Mainstream Media brainwashing. Kim Jung UN gave credit to Trump himself, so you can take your Liberal tactics of disparagement and put them back in the Liberal toy box with all of the other useless tactics that Liberals employ. Just how much embarrassment does the Democratic party have to go through before they just stop talking? At this point you Liberals are literally arguing with obvious facts and logic, which IS funny to watch, but sad, in that there are a lot of other stupid people (voters) that fall for these ignorant tricks....just not enough votes apparently.

originally posted by: hoss53
If it works out that North Korea truly wants to be at peace with the rest of the world,that would be great. It still want change the fact that tRump is the lowest piece of an#t to ever enter the white house.

Wrong. It would make him one of the greatest. Like Mount Rushmore great.

Shake off that TDS fella.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: strongfp

I think you may be missing the fact that Trump has met with the leaders of each country you mentioned.

Yea. And?

So has pretty much every leader of every nation within the last few years or year.

The bottom line is Trump did no make the final decision and should not be given the credit he deserves. Both Korean leaders made the final decision.
Also, I am pretty sure China played a MUCH bigger role than Trump did considering they now control their own Oil dollar and are the largest importer of coal from NK. All Trump wanted was a piece of the coal pie and to not lose complete control of the petro dollar to China.
It doesn't take a genius to follow news, and global events.
The only role Trump played was the fact he has the biggest military behind his words, nothing more. Once again, not Trump but rather the United states of America's military industrial complex flexing, Trump was just the 'guy' to pull the trigger.

Then why wasnt it done before Trump became President?

Then why wasnt it done before Trump became President?

It was, more than once. This is not the first time prisoners were taken, and then released for a beneficial reason for NK. Trump did not cleverly negotiate the release of prisoners - he is just taking credit for the windfall that is NK taking advantage of the situation.

a reply to: strongfp

I agree but he at least pulled the trigger

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: carewemust

Yes. Lets just forget all the other political influences around the world that probably played much heavier hand in this situation than Trump did... China, Japan, perhaps?

jeebis christ, give credit where credit is due man, dam.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: strongfp

I think you may be missing the fact that Trump has met with the leaders of each country you mentioned.

Yea. And?

So has pretty much every leader of every nation within the last few years or year.

The bottom line is Trump did no make the final decision and should not be given the credit he deserves. Both Korean leaders made the final decision.
Also, I am pretty sure China played a MUCH bigger role than Trump did considering they now control their own Oil dollar and are the largest importer of coal from NK. All Trump wanted was a piece of the coal pie and to not lose complete control of the petro dollar to China.
It doesn't take a genius to follow news, and global events.
The only role Trump played was the fact he has the biggest military behind his words, nothing more. Once again, not Trump but rather the United states of America's military industrial complex flexing, Trump was just the 'guy' to pull the trigger.

So you admit in your last line that Trump did indeed have a major role to play.

I swear you guys just walk right into it.

originally posted by: hoss53
If it works out that North Korea truly wants to be at peace with the rest of the world,that would be great. It still want change the fact that tRump is the lowest piece of an#t to ever enter the white house.

That's a ridiculous claim.

Surly you've heard of the Clintons, Joseph Kabila, Paul Kagame, General Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, and Yoweri Museveni?

Just to name a few.

a reply to: hoss53

Wow, dude or dudette, pick up a history book will ya. Start with Andrew Jackson and get back to us. No...not Jessie Jackson, or Micheal Jackson...ANDREW Jackson.

Here is a starting place for you in case you can't spell it.
int.search.myway.com...

a reply to: lakenheath24

Whoa now....Andrew Jackson may not have been a nice or polite man. But he was a true blue patriot of the highest order

All the ails of today were battles he fought and won. Namely, breaking the bankers.

We dont have to exalt him...but theres no need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Ahhh i guess it depends on ones perspective. If you were an indian back then.....
The thing is like every other president, it will take years before a proper assessment can take place.
Certain peeps hated Lincoln as well.
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: strongfp

I think you may be missing the fact that Trump has met with the leaders of each country you mentioned.

Yea. And?

So has pretty much every leader of every nation within the last few years or year.

The bottom line is Trump did no make the final decision and should not be given the credit he deserves. Both Korean leaders made the final decision.
Also, I am pretty sure China played a MUCH bigger role than Trump did considering they now control their own Oil dollar and are the largest importer of coal from NK. All Trump wanted was a piece of the coal pie and to not lose complete control of the petro dollar to China.
It doesn't take a genius to follow news, and global events.
The only role Trump played was the fact he has the biggest military behind his words, nothing more. Once again, not Trump but rather the United states of America's military industrial complex flexing, Trump was just the 'guy' to pull the trigger.

Then why wasnt it done before Trump became President?

Because no other US President was willing to:

A) allow North Korea to keep it's Nuclear Arsenal
B) allow a Madman Dictator to keep his power
C) Reduce or eliminate US troops defending South Korea
D) And offer Kim legitimacy on the world stage with meetings with the President of the United States

originally posted by: Scrubdog

For the purposes of this thread, are we ignoring that scientists have concluded that the North Korean nuclear site suffered extreme damage - perhaps destroying it in the last test?

However, I have not seen exactly what Trump has done, other than threaten to annihilate North Korea.

Do you really think that we "see" everything that the U.S., under the current leadership of President Trump, does?

Do you really think that the North Koreans are stupid people? Stupid enough, in fact, to build a major nuclear site that would "collapse"?

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
If true,

Trump came in with heavy words and a large stick.. he stood up to Korea, China, Europe and is getting results.

Nobel Peace Prize odds just got shorter

Pres. Obama got 10 Americans released from North Korea.

When he left office NK was holding only two Americans.

During Trumps first year NK arrested two more Americans.

2 of the 3 Americans they are now holding were taken under the Trump administration.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman

originally posted by: Scrubdog
a reply to: strongfp

For the purposes of this thread, are we ignoring that scientists have concluded that the North Korean nuclear site suffered extreme damage - perhaps destroying it in the last test?

However, I have not seen exactly what Trump has done, other than threaten to annihilate North Korea.

Do you really think that we "see" everything that the U.S., under the current leadership of President Trump, does?

Do you really think that the North Koreans are stupid people? Stupid enough, in fact, to build a major nuclear site that would "collapse"?

This is a PR stunt by the Trump administration.

He is offering to give Kim legitimacy on the world stage and at home, plus reducing or eliminating US troop levels in South Korea, plus allowing him to retain his Dictator-Cult-Leader status with Human Rights violations intact, PLUS retain his Nuclear arsenal.

All so trump can spin some headlines.

Peace is a good goal, but the Trump administration is unqualified to negotiate. THAT is why Kim Yong-il is coming to the table now.

a reply to: Carcharadon

I've actually wondered myself if we "helped" make the boom happen. If we did, it wasn't a rod from God though, and I actually very much doubt we did help for some pretty solid reasons.

The biggest of which is China is right FREAKIN THERE!

China... The people we want very least out of anyone to get a nice clear Intel picture of us using highly classified next gen capabilities because they're already catching up and even passing us in some fields way too fast!

Also, the Russians... They're also right there too!

There's actually an area where with a less than 2 kilometer walk you can leave north korea, walk into Russia, walk from Russia into China, and walk from China back into North Korea. Needless to say that this area is heavily militarized by all 3 countries. NK because they don't want escapes. Russia and China because they don't want a flood of nork refugees, but also because they don't particularly like each other and have fought in the past.

If we did "help" the nuclear mountain collapse happen in some way I'd be perfectly ok with it honestly, I just question whether we would risk revealing one of our classified aces in the hole because of just how high risk such a move really would be.

Except of course for the human traffiking of NK slaves into Russia.
mobile.nytimes.com...
a reply to: roguetechie

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: [post=23370607]

If we did "help" the nuclear mountain collapse happen in some way I'd be perfectly ok with it honestly, I just question whether we would risk revealing one of our classified aces in the hole because of just how high risk such a move really would be.

For real.
If we had that technology and made it happen, Trump would have been tweet-bragging about it immediately.