In Venezuela, five years of severance pay now buys a coffee

Can you imagine the state of affairs in Venezuela now that the country has just about fallen to a point of no return ? What if the present monetary worth of what ever you use for money was devalued to the point it has in Venezuela...? Several years ago just about the same thing happened in Argentina and the stories of survival/crime were horrendous from what I read. youtu.be... Argentina

Venezuela was once upon a time a great and safe destination....However even back as late as 2000 time frame (if not earlier) my Spanish speaking flight attendants (some were born in Venezuela) would not leave our over night hotel for fear of BAD THINGS... Stuff like this is so sad on many different levels... Who's fault is this ? I would say look no farther than the socialist who took over the country...

There is a saying I have heard more than once that the Marxist or socialist want everyone at the same misery level (except for the inner circle and the leaders which seem do do quite well until they lose their heads).. If one looks at history I would say that is pretty spot on. Socialism takes the incentive out of being productive IMO.

CARACAS (AFP) -

When Yolanda Abreu got her check for severance pay after five years working as a cardiologist, she let out a laugh of sheer disbelief: it was barely enough for a cup of coffee.

Like her, millions of Venezuelans have seen their salaries decimated by rampant hyperinflation that is expected to drive prices up by 13,000 percent this year, IMF figures show.

Her story hit the headlines after she tweeted a photo of the check for 156,584.29 bolivars, which equates to about $0.20 on the black market.

"They called me from Caracas University Hospital to come and collect my check for benefits accrued over five years of service as a level 2 specialist in cardiology and electrophysiology," she wrote on Twitter.

And what will it buy, she wondered indignantly. "A coffee?"

www.france24.com...

You are spot on...Socialism is equality through shared misery. It does nothing to motivate excellence and instead of lifting others up it tears everyone down.

a reply to: 727Sky

Keep socialism out of America.

a reply to: 727Sky

I spoke to a couple from Venezuela the other day, I asked why in their opinion the country is in such trouble, their opinion was the puppet dictator installed by the American government is the cause of woes.

I told them the media tells us it is the fault of socialism and they laughed, they thought that was hysterical, dumb and not even close to the reality. Their words were something along the lines of " we are paying a heavy price for not towing the line to American interests ".

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

I spoke to a couple from Venezuela the other day, I asked why in their opinion the country is in such trouble, their opinion was the puppet dictator installed by the American government is the cause of woes.

I told them the media tells us it is the fault of socialism and they laughed, they thought that was hysterical, dumb and not even close to the reality. Their words were something along the lines of " we are paying a heavy price for not towing the line to American interests ".

Gaarr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

I spoke to a couple from Venezuela the other day, I asked why in their opinion the country is in such trouble, their opinion was the puppet dictator installed by the American government is the cause of woes.

I told them the media tells us it is the fault of socialism and they laughed, they thought that was hysterical, dumb and not even close to the reality. Their words were something along the lines of " we are paying a heavy price for not towing the line to American interests ".

Well if that’s true then they got off lightly.
Most countries that fail to fall in line with American policy usually end up bombed out of existence on top of their money being worthless.

Not saying I believe them but someone’s being lied to and I don’t know enough about the situation to say if it is us or them being fed the bs

originally posted by: 727Sky
Can you imagine the state of affairs in Venezuela now that the country has just about fallen to a point of no return ? What if the present monetary worth of what ever you use for money was devalued to the point it has in Venezuela...? Several years ago just about the same thing happened in Argentina and the stories of survival/crime were horrendous from what I read. youtu.be... Argentina

Venezuela was once upon a time a great and safe destination....However even back as late as 2000 time frame (if not earlier) my Spanish speaking flight attendants (some were born in Venezuela) would not leave our over night hotel for fear of BAD THINGS... Stuff like this is so sad on many different levels... Who's fault is this ? I would say look no farther than the socialist who took over the country...

There is a saying I have heard more than once that the Marxist or socialist want everyone at the same misery level (except for the inner circle and the leaders which seem do do quite well until they lose their heads).. If one looks at history I would say that is pretty spot on. Socialism takes the incentive out of being productive IMO.

CARACAS (AFP) -

When Yolanda Abreu got her check for severance pay after five years working as a cardiologist, she let out a laugh of sheer disbelief: it was barely enough for a cup of coffee.

Like her, millions of Venezuelans have seen their salaries decimated by rampant hyperinflation that is expected to drive prices up by 13,000 percent this year, IMF figures show.

Her story hit the headlines after she tweeted a photo of the check for 156,584.29 bolivars, which equates to about $0.20 on the black market.

"They called me from Caracas University Hospital to come and collect my check for benefits accrued over five years of service as a level 2 specialist in cardiology and electrophysiology," she wrote on Twitter.

And what will it buy, she wondered indignantly. "A coffee?"

www.france24.com...

Who's fault is this ? I would say look no farther than the socialist who took over the country... Text

I've read threads of a very similar vein, tone and tenor to this thread. Perhaps they have been written by the same ATS member, While I do not know, they all seem to similar in format and construction. It therefore appears to me that someone is using the situation in Venezuela to peddle their political ideology.

By attributing the cause of the situation in Venezuela to socialism to the total exclusion of all and any other causes and factors, the thread seems to show the thread exists for no other reason than to attack socialism.

One wonders how much research and analysis the author has done on the history and contributing factors to this situation apart from claiming that the sole cause of it is socialism.

It is not for the first time I have suggested that its possible the country has been the victim of an economic attack, economic sanctions, blackmail and corruption, or combination of all three factors.

Of the threads I have read on Venezuela which are in a similar tone and tenor to the above thread, none have considered the possibility the country has been the victim of a diplomatic and economic attack.

Readers might like to view the videos by the Economic Hitman which expose how mostly third and second world countries but in recent times, first world countries have been victims of such attacks, ruse or scam the Economic Hitman videos expose.

Readers might like to consider if Venezuela has been the victim of an economic attack, economic sanctions, blackmail, corruption, or a combination of them. In other words, while the OP has chosen to completely ignore the possibility, has Venezuela been "taken down" by some western superpower?

Might this be the beginning of a new form of warfare to be used against any country that does not toe the line as dictated by whoever the superpower is.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

I spoke to a couple from Venezuela the other day, I asked why in their opinion the country is in such trouble, their opinion was the puppet dictator installed by the American government is the cause of woes.

I told them the media tells us it is the fault of socialism and they laughed, they thought that was hysterical, dumb and not even close to the reality. Their words were something along the lines of " we are paying a heavy price for not towing the line to American interests ".

Well if that’s true then they got off lightly.
Most countries that fail to fall in line with American policy usually end up bombed out of existence on top of their money being worthless.

Not saying I believe them but someone’s being lied to and I don’t know enough about the situation to say if it is us or them being fed the bs

I'm not sure got off lightly is the right description, it's not a pretty picture there, and it's not like whoever is behind this mess can just bomb them like they are doing in the middle east.

I'm not sure what the truth is, I'm certain though it's a far more believable story than socialism being the cause. We may just be witnessing how a first world country is sabotaged by those that pull the strings.

originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: 727Sky

Keep socialism out of America.

This topic has nothing to do with your arrogant Murican point of view...

What is your point apart from Trolling...

Anything intelligent to add to the topic in question concerning VENEZUALA?

Kindest respects

Lags

Nationalization of the oil sector, telecommunication sector, anything that is in the private sector will be nationalized..is what Chavez said in a speech just after the 2006 election.. Typical socialist .... then they run all the things nationalized by their political appointees...which know nothing except how to milk the cash cow into bankruptcy.. Oh and the original owners of said businesses were prosecuted if they did not play ball and their assets were taken by the state ... Where have we read that before ?..China, Soviet Russia, and many other socialist utopias which seem to be the failed road map for all socialist or Marxist dreams...

Since owning a successful business was now not in the cards for most citizens, Venezuela started importing everything from meds to cars...in other words they killed their private sector economy.. 2004 to 2014 they could get away with their socialist dreams which were funded by the high price of oil.. Instead of diversifying and growing a healthy private sector they borrowed against future high oil prices to fund their now huge federal bureaucracy and to import stuff that Venezuela no longer made..

The debt rose 6 times higher than it had ever been before plus, now there was interest to be paid on the 150 billion borrowed debt and the lenders quit lending.....

Chavez is dead and Maduro who replaced him has followed the same socialist road map, He and his governmental socialist inter circle live very well while the pedestrians can not even fine rice or tooth paste.. Even if they do find something they need at 13,000 percent inflation they probably can not afford it anyway..

The biggest suckers in history are those who follow a socialist utopian dream IMO.

Since many of our socialist leaning members would/will not believe anything put forth by an American news broadcast how about Al Jazeera which seems to have a pretty good handle on the situation and is not exactly a lover of all things American.. youtu.be...


Same story told by a different outlet youtu.be...

Whether socialism was a factor or not is up for debate, it seems to me that corrupt Govt is the main cause here and usually is.

The people of Venezuela should be blaming their "elected" Presidents. Maduro and Chavez before him. Neither were put in power by the US and neither are or were friends of the US. But both were/are corrupt and running the country into the ground.

originally posted by: watchitburn
Whether socialism was a factor or not is up for debate, it seems to me that corrupt Govt is the main cause here and usually is.

The people of Venezuela should be blaming their "elected" Presidents. Maduro and Chavez before him. Neither were put in power by the US and neither are or were friends of the US. But both were/are corrupt and running the country into the ground.

Sadly they elected said corrupted presidents.

Not an easy one methinks until another political party with different ideas can manage to be heard by the general population.

Warmest respects

Lags

a reply to: [post=23365572]hopenotfeariswhatweneed[/post


Yeh so does a f of other countries. if America was a woman , nobody will want to go out with her.

a reply to: 727Sky

"In Venezuela, five years of severance pay now buys a coffee" So things are improving there? Last I heard they were eating the zoo animals.

The fact that Venezuela is in a sad state will not stop other countries from becoming socialist (or as I like to call it communism.) There is always some excuse. Corruption, it's the fault of the US, they did it wrong, etc.

No matter what, they just keep doing it over and over again in one country after another. Who benefits? Clearly, someone must be making a hell of a profit from the destruction of these countries.

originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: 727Sky

Keep socialism out of America.

And keep US Capitalism away from South America, I think enough lives have been lost through violent coups

Every communist nation -- and Venezuela's version of socialism is communism -- ends up reducing most of the population to the lowest common denominator. Only a small privileged elite remains who are permitted to enjoy a nice lifestyle.

It's worth noting that in America, liberals who champion socialist policies -- like, say, Bernie Sanders -- are mostly wealthy 1%ers. They want to be that elite upper-class who get to shop in the secret stores that the general public are not allowed to enter.

originally posted by: toms54

Last I heard they were eating the zoo animals.

There must have been a lot of zoos in Venezuela, did everyone have a pet elephant too?

We really need to reinstate the ban on domestic propaganda. Funny how Obama lifted it right around the same time things started going south there.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

You big silly its obviously a Cia plan, or they just didn't elect the right people everyone knows communist/socialist policies are perfect...

/end sarcasm.

It's sad that more people cannot see the more power condensed into a small group of peoples hands inevitably ends up with severe corruption problems.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Every communist nation -- and Venezuela's version of socialism is communism -- ends up reducing most of the population to the lowest common denominator. Only a small privileged elite remains who are permitted to enjoy a nice lifestyle.

It's worth noting that in America, liberals who champion socialist policies -- like, say, Bernie Sanders -- are mostly wealthy 1%ers. They want to be that elite upper-class who get to shop in the secret stores that the general public are not allowed to enter.

Wanna know the difference between Socialism and Communism?

In Socialism, he with the most money still wins.

Where Marx got it wrong, and history has proven many times, is that Socialism does not lead to Communism (at least not the Communism he envisioned).

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

You big silly its obviously a Cia plan, or they just didn't elect the right people everyone knows communist/socialist policies are perfect...

It certainly doesn't help that the Venezuelan Kulaks are destroying the food supply as an act of protest.

It's a common tactic with right-wingers that don't get their way. They'd rather sink the ship.