Should the U.S be stop?

Originally posted by 27jd
I wish. With the exception of a few local micro-breweries, our beer sucks. I'm forced to pay out the @ss for imported Newcastle.

Ahh unlucky...

But your country is playing on the same team, at least that's what I thought.

We stand by them because with them we are safe, we get free tech and influence.

Maybe so, but as an ally, your country gains as well, no?

No, my friend.
There are no "allies" in this game...
Only temporary aquantancies...

Only for a few more years, then we get a new one.

Lol we should be geting rid of our PM soon, I think..

You would seriously join outsiders in bashing your family name because your dad made an arse of himself? I doubt that, our people are alot alike, if it actually happened I'm willing to bet it would piss you off.

It would piss me off, If he done something really crappy I dunno kicked the crap outa some wee kid cause he was drunk then hell yeah...most likely I woud stand by him but frankly ah I think you get what I mean.

The whole topic got me to wonderin', even if a coalition was formed with the intent to stop the US from doing whatever the heck it wants to do at the time, How would they do it?

Invading the homeland with force sure isn't an option. We'd see any invasion force coming from a thousand miles away.

If the pres ordered the invasion of another country and someone was foolish enough to get in the way and say, "NO, were going to stop you." They would be crucified where they took that stand.

Your question on this topic is "should the US be stopped, my question is COULD the US be stopped. And how?

Love and light,

Wupy

EU and russia sure could, hell china, india , australia and russia could atleast give them a serios headache.

Originally posted by Heartagram
Yup,though the U.N too won't do any good.The U.N's Security Council has U.S in it so what's the point.They'll go veto-ing stuffs just like they did for the Iraq War.Higher intervention?Not a chance.Who's brave enough?

True,I do think some of these countries should be taken down forcefully but don't you think the U.S is way wayyy out of the line?

Majic,you can count on it.I suppose U.S leaving the UN should be a good start though that's impossible because UN HQ is in New York!Nooo!

We can ask them to leave and let the homeless have a place to stay, specially veterans down on their luck. Why not.

Maybe the qustion should be can anyone stop the U.S.A. ?

Originally posted by Horsey316
Maybe the qustion should be can anyone stop the U.S.A. ?

We can at cricket and rugby

Originally posted by mrwupy
Your question on this topic is "should the US be stopped, my question is COULD the US be stopped. And how?

To answer your question mywupy,I won't say we have the UN or EU,ASEAN or any other organisation to do that.Voluntarily countries from different continent should form a new temporary coalition to just put a stop to U.S' doings.The same way coalition of countries joined the U.S-led coalition to invade Iraq.And by stopping U.S I DON'T mean by means of war or military actions.Trading sanctions should do the trick since most of U.S economy thrives on trading and businesses.

U.S is just one country with very strong allies such as Britain.With war obviously everybody loses so cutting ties and bilateral relations could prove effective in the case of U.S.

Anyways,France should BY NOW be dismissed from the Security Council in my opinion.India should replace France.Being a rising and soon-to-be major economist,they should deserve that spot.France isn't much of a superpower anymore and their economy is just above average unlike the others in the Security Council.

Originally posted by Horsey316
Maybe the qustion should be can anyone stop the U.S.A. ?

What makes you think the U.S is so invicible my friend?Or is it the U.S has just impress you with the wars they undergo and showed you that they're god-like and unstoppable?

I feel sorry for you for thinking that way.

Originally posted by Majic
What International Law Is

Originally posted by Johnny Redburn
Ok, but what would happen if the UN was actually dissolved?
Would international law as it stands now be lost?
Who would take its place?

Most of the answers to your questions can be inferred by reading about what International Law actually is.

Assertions that international law and the U.N. are somehow inseparable indicates an ignorance of what both are.

Well you misunderstood my reasoning.
If the UN was dissolved, some organization or nation would need to still uphold the laws it represented.

What I was saying is that I would rather not have the US become the new guardian of the laws we all live by.

Do not forget that the UN has representatives from all nations under its umbrella; they are not all just a bunch of opportunists looking out for themselves.

Originally posted by Majic
The United Nations is not the government of the world, despite the passionate desires of those who have no idea how terrible such a thing would be if it ever became reality.

Well what do you propose should be put in its place to make sure nations do not violate laws?

You seem very content in bagging the UN yet you do not relay your own opinion on who should assume its position.

Originally posted by Majic
My advice is to study the matter and let reason guide you where emotion betrays you.

My reason does guide me, show me where my personal emotions betray my decisions, if not then please stop spouting cryptic one-liners in my direction. (Only Jedi's are allowed to do that.)

Originally posted by Majic
The U.S. has had plenty of chances to “take over the world”, yet we have chosen not to.

Might you amuse me by telling me when America could have "taken over the world"?

Originally posted by Majic
I would think our allies in Germany, Italy, Japan, the Middle East, the former Soviet Union (you're welcome for that), Afghanistan and now Iraq should be able to set people straight on how America operates versus how its enemies operate.
It's a shame how many of their children are being allowed to live in ignorance of it, though, because that just assures a repeat of past miseries.

Not really sure what point you are trying to reach here, but how can you insinuate how those countries would view American actions? Have you lived in those countries?


[edit on 19-2-2005 by Johnny Redburn]

Yes America could be stopped, if it were to do something that warranted an invasion to liberate its people and stop its government. America would undoubtedly use its nuclear capabilities to thwart such an invasion, as that is the kind of macho gun ho country it is, but they would get nuked back. It would be a terrible mess. But they would be slaughtered as a whole, there would be plenty of countries around the world queuing up to have a crack, the US wouldn’t stand a chance.

But i agree with others here i think the Americans should be cold shouldered for its present arrogance and the UN left to determine a better solution to the current situation. America should not be allowed to use its military or intelligence in any country as they are just not responsible enough and meddle for there own ends. The Americans are too aggressive and a very uncultured people, just children in a grown up world. They know nothing really except that a big gun gets you what you want.

[edit on 19-2-2005 by kode]

The Americans dont really have a choice, either they stop or theyre gonna get wiped off the planet. America has it coming they think they can invade other countries and blow them to pieces when they want for no good reason well one day theyre gonna go one step to far and take on more than they can handle and theyre gonna be destroyed and the world will be a better place. Thats my opinion.

You all wish it were so. The fact is most (not all) of the other western nations are sissies. They are mostly cowards who smight with the tongue instead of stepping out by the old flagpole. Most western europeans are so lazy, all they want to do is lay around and screw. They have to import middle easterners to do any work and are therefore afraid. Give me two divisions of Tennessee Voluteers and the sound alone of thousands of rednecks shouting, "you look kinda cute there sissy boy!" would make most Europeans run away in fear (not the Brits). I could do what Napolean, (the last frenchman to know you attack towards an opponent), accomplished in a year.

Now to the slight truth that you did hint at:

America will fail and it will be from the inside out. Our morals are degrading to such a point we could be confused with Europeans or Canadians. "Rise and fall of the Holy Roman Empire" comes to mind.

That is honestly the biggest load of crap ive heard in a long time. Do you really think any european army is gonna be scared of a bunch of dumbass rednecks?

By the way im not just talking about europeans im talking about the whole world, America is making more and more enemies by the minute and the only reason they can win wars is because they have the money and the technology. What you dont realize is that Americans are probably the biggest pussies on this planet, they cant win a war like men they always have to have the unfair advantage but thats not gonna last too much longer, soon enough they are gonna mess with one too many countries and are gonna be attacked from all different angles. If you ask me id say they will start with getting rid of all the international embassies. I think its near to impossible for any armies to invade the U.S but for all we know america could be full of terrorists just waiting for their time to attack. Weve seen suicide bombers in Israel but never in the states, in my opinion its coming and the fact that all those redneck retards reelected bush means that theyre gonna show no mercy.

EDIT: Ill say it again this is just my opinion for all i know the Bush and the U.S could get away with all theyve done. But thats pretty unlikely.

[edit on 19-2-2005 by fishbrain]

Originally posted by fishbrain
That is honestly the biggest load of crap ive heard in a long time. Do you really think any european army is gonna be scared of a bunch of dumbass rednecks?

I see alot of crap in this thread, do you all truly think this is going to somehow turn into America vs the EU? Quite a fantasy you all have. Even though it has become fashionable for the snobbier European citizens to hate us, your governments aren't too worried about fashion. I've even seen suggestions Australia will fight us, our governments couldn't be any closer. I haven't seen that many official threats of military action directed towards the U.S. coming out of the EU, China or Russia. Just a bunch of talk coming out of "fashionable" Europeans.

By the way im not just talking about europeans im talking about the whole world, America is making more and more enemies by the minute and the only reason they can win wars is because they have the money and the technology.

More and more enemies by the minute? How about naming some of the new enemies that have been made. Besides Iran, Syria, and possibly North Korea (with whom I believe an agreement will be made, to make Kim look like he got the best of the situation to his people, and to make Bush look like he can handle situations diplomatically as well). But please enlighten me with the names of a few of our new enemies.

What you dont realize is that Americans are probably the biggest pussies on this planet, they cant win a war like men they always have to have the unfair advantage

Pussies? That's funny. The objective of war is to kill more of them, and see less of yours die. We do a good job of that, the pussies that we are. How do men win wars? They kill other men, and that's what we do. What is your suggestion, maybe we use maces and swords again? Take that up with evolving technology, not America. Maybe we could not use weapons at all, but we could beat each other to death with our bare hands, they would be time consuming wars, but I'm all for it. That would give you a chance to prove we're the biggest pussies on this planet.

but thats not gonna last too much longer, soon enough they are gonna mess with one too many countries and are gonna be attacked from all different angles

Uh huh, sure. All different angles, wow, we'll be sorry then. Not like we have the ability to render earth uninhabitable or anything, that would be a brilliant move on the parts of all those newly acquired mystery enemies we are making by the minute.

Weve seen suicide bombers in Israel but never in the states, in my opinion its coming and the fact that all those redneck retards reelected bush means that theyre gonna show no mercy.

If they could they would have done so by now, suicide bombings do not require planning, it would only increase their chances of being caught to drag thier feet. There may be cells planning something, and they would show no mercy regardless. They have no safe havens here, and the heat is on unlike before 9/11, so they have their work cut out for them. Sorry to disappoint.

EDIT: Ill say it again this is just my opinion for all i know the Bush and the U.S could get away with all theyve done. But thats pretty unlikely.

If Bush does stand for his actions it will be before the American people, and nobody else.

"I see alot of crap in this thread, do you all truly think this is going to somehow turn into America vs the EU?"

Look at my post again I didnt even say that

"Quite a fantasy you all have. Even though it has become fashionable for the snobbier European citizens to hate us, your governments aren't too worried about fashion. "

I think its you thats living in a fantasy seeing as you dont think europe has any problems with what americas doing right now but i never said theyre going to start a war against US just yet.


" I haven't seen that many official threats of military action directed towards the U.S. coming out of the EU, China or Russia. Just a bunch of talk coming out of "fashionable" Europeans."

Yea as if theyre going to be stupid enough to just threaten them and tell america their plans, if they were planning on attacking america they would keep their mouths shut and just plan.


"More and more enemies by the minute? How about naming some of the new enemies that have been made. Besides Iran, Syria, and possibly North Korea (with whom I believe an agreement will be made, to make Kim look like he got the best of the situation to his people, and to make Bush look like he can handle situations diplomatically as well). But please enlighten me with the names of a few of our new enemies."

They arent literally making enemies like iraq, what i meant is that nobody is happy with the shet theyre doing in iraq.


"Pussies? That's funny. The objective of war is to kill more of them, and see less of yours die. We do a good job of that, the pussies that we are. How do men win wars? They kill other men, and that's what we do. What is your suggestion, maybe we use maces and swords again? Take that up with evolving technology, not America. Maybe we could not use weapons at all, but we could beat each other to death with our bare hands, they would be time consuming wars, but I'm all for it. That would give you a chance to prove we're the biggest pussies on this planet."

Like i said before the only reason america is winning wars is by their technology and money and i never said they shouldnt use it all i said was they win wars because they have an unfair advantage, aswell with all that technology and money why would they need to have britain on their side to fight one country. How would america handle themselves if iraq sided with iran and russia, i know it would never happen but in that case it would be a fair fight.

"Uh huh, sure. All different angles, wow, we'll be sorry then."

Well if usa invaded china tomorrow that would already even the odds a bit and with bush as president i wouldnt be surprised if they did.

"Not like we have the ability to render earth uninhabitable or anything,"

What are you trying to say if the u.s loses the war theyre gonna nuke the place?

"If they could they would have done so by now, suicide bombings do not require planning, "

"A" suicide bombing doesnt require planning but if the terrorists have any brains they would use a bit of strategy and simultaneously bomb many different buildings in different parts of the country all at once.

"If Bush does stand for his actions it will be before the American people, and nobody else."

I agree with you on that one.

"America will fail and it will be from the inside out. Our morals are degrading to such a point we could be confused with Europeans or Canadians. "Rise and fall of the Holy Roman Empire" comes to mind. "

Sorry i didnt read that part, that makes complete sense ive heard alot of people say this too, america is definetly likely to collapse from the inside if they dont get attacked first.

Originally posted by fishbrain
Look at my post again I didnt even say that

I wasn't referring specifically to your post, that's why I said thread. Read back and you'll see some posters saying that.

I think its you thats living in a fantasy seeing as you dont think europe has any problems with what americas doing right now but i never said theyre going to start a war against US just yet.

Again, it's not "Europe", but the trendy citizens there who are the ones with the problems. France is the only country, and to a lesser extent Germany, in which the governments have offered any protest, but neither has projected any aggression, and wouldn't. And I agree with them that Iraq was the wrong war. But neither of those countries will do anything but let their feelings be known politically.

Yea as if theyre going to be stupid enough to just threaten them and tell america their plans, if they were planning on attacking america they would keep their mouths shut and just plan.

You think there could possibly be a worldwide plan to attack America on the table right now, witout us being aware of it? Whatever makes you feel better, we all have our dreams.

They arent literally making enemies like iraq, what i meant is that nobody is happy with the shet theyre doing in iraq.

So no names? That's kinda what I figured. I'm not happy happy with the Iraq war, but I'm no enemy of my own country. Just as the governments of the countries who oppose our action in Iraq are not our enemies. Again, only the trendy citizens there, following like sheep (as blindly as the sheep here that worship Bush) the "fad" of America bashing, with their fantasies of the world destroying us, then having a big party afterward on the new Earth without the evil and oppressive America as peace reigns forever after, are our enemies.

Like i said before the only reason america is winning wars is by their technology and money and i never said they shouldnt use it all i said was they win wars because they have an unfair advantage, aswell with all that technology and money why would they need to have britain on their side to fight one country.

We didn't need Britain on our side, they helped us (as well as Australia and a couple other countries) because they are our close allies and friends, and will continue to be, regardless of sheeplike citizens doing the "in" thing by hating our country based on a president who will be gone in a few years. I guess then, you'll have to work on hating our new one, whomever he/she may be, or find a new country to hate. Maybe Europeans need a world leader to hate at any given time or something. I don't know. The funny Hitler t-shirt market would suffer otherwise.

How would america handle themselves if iraq sided with iran and russia, i know it would never happen but in that case it would be a fair fight.

Iraq is over, except for the guerilla fighters, the army and government collapsed before we even got started. Do you mean if they had sided together in the beginning? If it were conventional, it may have required pulling troops from other world arenas or maybe even a draft, but I think we would have done swimmingly. If it went nuclear, none of us would be having this discussion today.

Well if usa invaded china tomorrow that would already even the odds a bit and with bush as president i wouldnt be surprised if they did.

Invade China? Why would we do that? That seems to have come out of the air, unless I haven't been paying attention I haven't seen any indication we plan an invasion of China.

What are you trying to say if the u.s loses the war theyre gonna nuke the place?

The war in which the whole world seeks to destroy us? Absolutely, and Russia would do the same in our position. Which is exactly why the world won't attack either one of us.

"A" suicide bombing doesnt require planning but if the terrorists have any brains they would use a bit of strategy and simultaneously bomb many different buildings in different parts of the country all at once.

Not even that requires strategy, set a time, everybody get to their target places of gathering, and let her rip. No strategy required except a few psychos with cell phones. But it hasn't happened when it very easily could. Maybe once they get here, they realize as a people, we're not as bad and evil as they are brainwashed into believing.

I agree with you on that one.

At least we agree on something. And I truly hope he does face charges for the war in Iraq, and for endangering Americans by taking focus off Bin Laden, and countries that really do pose a threat, like Iran, whom we've technically and idealogically been at war with for about 25 years, a country who really has sponsored attacks against the U.S., and one who really is trying to obtain nuclear weapons.

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Originally posted by fishbrain
That is honestly the biggest load of crap ive heard in a long time. Do you really think any european army is gonna be scared of a bunch of dumbass rednecks?

While statements like these usually just lead me to reach for the ignore button (I have a thing about inflammatory epithets and childish name-calling), I just thought I would point something out.

And that regards the track record of the U.S. military versus any European military.

While I don't advise that anyone adopt a policy of being afraid of things, an honest examination of the track record shows why any European army should at least have a healthy respect for the U.S. Army.

If Europe could have destroyed us, they already would have done so by now.

I see a lot of Europeans speaking in denunciatory tones about how warlike the U.S. is.

I suggest that such people take a good look in the mirror. The biggest, cruelest and bloodiest wars in human history did not originate in the United States, but Europe.

We didn't start them but we're sure as hell experienced at ending them -- and getting tired of it, frankly.

In this case, fishbrain, I recommend exercising that aquatic noggin a little more rigorously to cultivate more informed opinions and improved posting quality.

That's something I'm sure everyone reading this thread could appreciate.

Iraq is the piece of cheese on a historical mouse trap.

how effective is a mouse trap against a 2 ton rhino?