Historic Peace Deal between 2 Koreas, Coming soon: Peace Deal EU-USA & Russia-Iran!!???

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light
Dear Readers,

Today is no doubt a Historic day for the world, the most volatile and unpredictable potential conflict of the world has been apparently condoned with a Peace Agreement that seemed to be a sort of Mission Impossible to achieve just in the beginning of this 2018.

70 years of confrontation, extremely tense discrepancy, rivalry and fierce enmity has been formally ended with this so crucial, so fundamental and so exemplar agreement of denuclearization in between North and South Korea.

I have been a long years extremely skeptical that we were going to see this moment, I still have my doubts of the possibilities that this deal can be fully implemented and survive the pass of time.

Is this finally the beginning of a New era of cooperation as Kim Jong Un has expressed or just another Munchen agreement look like Adolf Hitler and Neville Chamberlain in 1938 at just one year of the start of WWII?

I must recognize that the sole idea of to have this signed in between the two parts today overtakes all my previous expectations, and in spite of all my doubts I feel sincerely optimistic that there is a chance after all for that so tormented region of the world.

Please check:
Historic Denuclearization deal signed between the 2 Koreas

After to have seen what we witnessed today the logical consequence and fundamenal question to ask is:

Can this serves as an example to follow to find the way to settle down the huge differences that have existed along the last 4 years between United States-European Union from one side and Russia-Iran from the other side in crucial aspects like the peace on Syria and Ukraine?

I think if there is a possibility to see this Korean deal prospering why No we can expect to have a similar agreement between other confronted parts that are right now agitating so risky and also volatile conflicts around the world.

Are we going to see a new era of detente and cooperation between the Europeans, Americans, Russians and Iranians in the near future?

I don't know if all of you share this idea an enthusiasm and the thread is open to express your opinions, but definitively 70 years of cold war in between the Koreas can Not be less difficult to fix than the 4 years of New Cold war that started with the coup d' etat in Kiev and the spread of the Arab wave of revolutions to Syria.

How about Israel and Palestine? that is another major conflict that needs urgently to be settle down, for the good of the region and the world, can that also gain some crucial inspiration of what we have seen today happening in the Korea Peninsula?

Let me ask finally:

What is the Reality in which we are actually living on our days?

The new wave of cooperation between systems that were traditionally confronted for the good of Humanity

or

The 'information' that is transmitted constantly by the news agencies around the world claiming everything is crisis, corruption, scandals, espionage, plots and we are all moving unavoidably to a global collapse?

Are you particular optimistic from this unexpected News or pessimistic that this is to good to be true?

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Yet another NK maybe and if thread.

Why can't people wait till it happens or not before they make a thread about it.

Or at least stick these threads in the predictions forum where they belong.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Well, Pessimism is of course a valid choice to select, so I am going to assume you have decided to bid for extreme skepticism about all this.

I think you need to turn on your TV set or check the news in the web any way this is nothing related with forecasts, it is real life.

The Deal is already a fact, is History, it happened few minutes ago, but it is neither a hypothesis Nor a prediction at all.

Now, this forum is precisely open to discuss what ever is above politics, and since this agreement comes from a situation where both sides have left aside enormous political differences, I believe Nothing can be more appropriate to be discussed here perhaps.

The ethical connotations that come from the so important negotiation process we have seen today the climax provide a lot of substance to meditate all what can be achieved when people find the strength to think above politics.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

These are very exciting times....

If all these peace deals come to pass (and I hope they do) you have to ask what is driving them. People with generations-old antagonisms against each other have not suddenly turned altruistic. Someone or something has done something to convince these guys to play ball. Any ideas what that might be?

a reply to: The angel of light

Well, Pessimism is of course a valid choice to select so I am going to assume you have decided to bid for extreme skepticism about all this.

I'm nether. I am taking the third option which is wait and see.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I think you really should report ATS to the authorities. It is quite obvious that you are being forced at gunpoint to participate in threads you have no interest in!


ETA: I'm going with hope! This is one of the most important and moving moments in history, reminiscent of the fall of the wall between East and West Germany in 1989.

Kim became the first North Koreanleader to set foot in South Korea since the end of the 1950-53 Korean war, planting a foot over the military demarcation line watched by dignitaries from both sides and millions following live TV coverage.

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"If I take one more step... "

originally posted by: schuyler
If all these peace deals come to pass (and I hope they do) you have to ask what is driving them. People with generations-old antagonisms against each other have not suddenly turned altruistic. Someone or something has done something to convince these guys to play ball. Any ideas what that might be?

Financial/economic incentives? Globalists? Do you have a theory Schuyler?

a reply to: FamCore

Well,

You are in your right to show the way this is done through a conspiracy theory that involves large corporations gaining a lot in this deal, but no doubt there is also the other side of the coin too.

War is a really large business on our days, the military industrial establishment is no doubt interested in to maintain alive that conflict for many more decades, the consumption of military technology has moved thousands of millions of dollars every one of those seventy years.

Also they must be behind the revival of the cold war after so many years of relative detente and peace in between Russia and the west, such a situation of no conflict made those arm production factories loose a lot of money, so they must be very unhappy in that time.

General Eisenhower warned us about this so grave internal power that if becomes out of control can easily erode completely our economy as well as end our freedom. His last farwell address is the most prophetic speech ever made by any President, it points out directly to our time and generation.

Please check:
Farwell Address President D. D. Eisenhower, January 1961

I am not trying to exonerate V. Putin of his personal responsibility on all what we have seen since 2014, but if we are objective either the Ukrainian and the Syrian crises were boosted by the west in areas that were traditionally along generations part of their sphere of influence neither ours nor in the European one.

I would want to be able to know what JFK or Dwight Eisenhower might think of the way Barack Obama, without considering consequences at all about the world peace, backed either the coup d'etat in Kiev in 2014 or handled the expansion of the Arab revolutions to Syria in 2015?

In 1962 the world almost went to war precisely when we felt that the Soviet had invaded our natural sphere of influence, there was a ultimatum given to Nikita Khrushev to remove his nuclear heads from Cuba, why are we so shocked that they have done something similar, and not in 72 hours as we gave to them in that occasion, with all these attempts to expand ours so close to their territory?

We know the answer of Barack Obama about these concerns, his excuses are that so bad and terrible choices were given to him to choose.

Was that really the issue? He was not the Only President to have dealt with horrible scenarios to solve, but certainly he let the Germans lead him all the time in crucial decisions. His agenda looked to be more the Angela Merkel's one than the more convenient for the USA.

With all respect to trust to Germany the best of our interests in the world is so risky, considering that they have fired two WW in the past, by the way.

Richard Nixon had in all aspects a very similar so difficult time to deal with in terms of multiple so grave regional conflicts to handle ( Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos) and without surrendered any of the national security interests. He found the way to negotiate successfully with the two major allies of Vietnam: He signed Salt I treaty with the USSR and open Red China in a very diplomatic way.

Jimmy Carter also inherited a terrible so tense situation in middle east, with Oil embargo already running. He faced the explosion of two major conflicts in the area: The Iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. That didn't stop him to sign Salt II agreement with USSR and to sponsor the most stable peace agreement in the region ever: between Egypt and Israel.

Terrible choices sound to me like the perfect excuse when what is terrible is the advising one is following to make decisions.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: schuyler
If all these peace deals come to pass (and I hope they do) you have to ask what is driving them. People with generations-old antagonisms against each other have not suddenly turned altruistic. Someone or something has done something to convince these guys to play ball. Any ideas what that might be?

Money, what else. Nothing wrong with that.

originally posted by: schuyler
If all these peace deals come to pass (and I hope they do) you have to ask what is driving them. People with generations-old antagonisms against each other have not suddenly turned altruistic. Someone or something has done something to convince these guys to play ball. Any ideas what that might be?

its not long after pompeo met with kim.
It could have something to do with that.

maybe carrots maybe big sticks..

China has helped a lot more than in the past.

north korea even gets to save face.

seems like everyone wins.

originally posted by: schuyler
If all these peace deals come to pass (and I hope they do) you have to ask what is driving them. People with generations-old antagonisms against each other have not suddenly turned altruistic. Someone or something has done something to convince these guys to play ball. Any ideas what that might be?

According to David "Weirdo" Wilcox it's the aliens who want all this and soon they are going to force disclosure.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex
I think this is a lovely picture, one helping the other with a helping and welcome hand I really hope that this is the start of a peace movement to spread to the whole planet. If they can do it, so can we all.

a reply to: The angel of light

Today is no doubt a Historic day for the world,

Well except that time the same thing happened in 2000 -carnegieendowment.org...

Oh and in 2007-www.reuters.com...

North Korea agreed under a deal in October with the South, the United States, Japan, Russia and China that by the end of the year it would disable its plants that produce weapons-grade plutonium and fully account for its nuclear arms program.

How quickly people forget their history.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Reuters, WORLD NEWSOCTOBER 18, 2007 / 5:32 AM / 11 YEARS AGO
Earlier this month, at only the second summit of the divided Koreas, South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun and North Korean leader Kim Jong-il agreed to seek talks with China and the United States for a peace treaty.

I see that you like to be informed or lectured by Germans in international politics and History.

It is opt to you who you decide to trust but Anyway there is a difference in between the two situations:

In 2007 they agreed at that time just only to follow talks, that were going to be supervised by USA and China. There was not a any Treaty in between them signed or even sketched.

Today there was a formal and mutually accepted agreement that bind both parts and demand commitment in to be applied in many crucial areas.

There was no treaty or any other legal instrument signed by heads of state in 2007.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Can you post proof that a treaty was signed today?

Hope this outbreak of peace doesn’t step on your predictions of doom and gloom. 😄

a reply to: whywhynot



I think its great, but I also think South Korea just gained a huge work force

Also peace is one thing, but remember N Korea (DPRK) is still a communistic state. If that changes, I will truly be amazed.

a reply to: schuyler

Any ideas what that might be?

Yeah, economics. It's economically better to wage peace than war. NK needed to come into the modern age and there'd be no way to get investment capital into the country unless it normalized relations. That and I think the USA decided to remove the intel agencies infiltration of NK if they behaved and made this treaty with South Korea.