The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

originally posted by: ConspiracyofRavens
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

You make a compelling argument. Especially on the missing passengers.
WhTs even more frightening however is the listed ones and their fields of work.

All military or former.
All specializing in aeroengineering or aerospace, or in software development.

Sounds like a specialist tech op if you ask me.
I don't believe in coincidence.

A compelling argument of what? The individual hides facts, uses items out of context, uses pseudoscience, and repeats false narratives long ago debunked to compose a fantasy you want to hear?

Of course it was an inside job,
All you have to do is look at all the changes that happened afterwards, who benefitted..
People that can't see the truth are either paid shills or a zombie, yeah that's right zombies.
That's not from me i like yous, but they call you zombies and apparently you can do whatever the fcuk you want to a zombie xx

a reply to: neutronflux

I'd like see the actual manifest.

a reply to: ManyMasks

Of course it was an inside job,

You've had 17 to prove it.
NADA

All you have to do is look at all the changes that happened afterwards, who benefitted..

Exactly who benefited by it?

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: ManyMasks

All you have to do is look at all the changes that happened afterwards, who benefitted..

Exactly who benefited by it?

The Cold War winner. You need momentum for the machine you've built.

a reply to: democracydemo

Flight 11

www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif


Flight 175

pentagonmemorial.org...

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ConspiracyofRavens
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

You make a compelling argument. Especially on the missing passengers.
WhTs even more frightening however is the listed ones and their fields of work.

All military or former.
All specializing in aeroengineering or aerospace, or in software development.

Sounds like a specialist tech op if you ask me.
I don't believe in coincidence.

A compelling argument of what? The individual hides facts, uses items out of context, uses pseudoscience, and repeats false narratives long ago debunked to compose a fantasy you want to hear?

False narratives debunked by who?
What facts did he hide?

False flag attacks aren't fantasy.
They are a historical fact.
Historians know this you need to catch up.

Use citations to rebuke him if you have an issue instead of attacking those that acknowledge his argument.

I remember a while back in this thread reading some guy tear your entire argument apart.
It was something like autismego or some name like that.


You seem determined to control this thread, it makes one curious about your motives.

Cause by the way you respond to my tip of the hat you don't seem interested in debating using facts or educating anyone.

You seem to want to shut them down with insults like you have firsthand witness authority.

Brown university and the UK collegiates showed a LOT of controversial evidence.

And let's not forget CNN videos showing ten year old footage to push the "narrative".

Can you present facts to back your raving lunacy you call an argument and let's say you could present those facts, if you even have any to share,
Can you also defend the false narratives by media and government agencies when they used fake news to manipulate the public?

Oh I just found the guys posts that wrecked you!
Apparently you lacked citable sources of a concrete nature against him/her as well.

Tell me, are you a Disinfo operative?

Cause you seem more interested in attack than you are in contributing.

Who joins a conspiracy forum to attack conspiracy ideas without proof of reason?

Other than blind faithfuls and COINTEL?

The only fantasy I see here is your presumption of authority on the matter.
No offense

a reply to: ConspiracyofRavens

Have a look at flight details Start & Destination and guess the occupation of passengers.

Have a look at truther theories

Planted explosives during construction
Painted on explosive
Claims the Towers had concrete cores when they didn't
Only steel structures brought down by fire alone
Death rays from space (Dr Judy Wood)
Mini Nukes
No planes (Holograms)
Floors could nrver panacake from top to bottom floors below would absorb the load is the claim.

So lets look at above

First two REALLY explosives are not stable how do they insure they go off only whwn required and no evidence amongst the debris.

The towers didn't have concrete cores although a lot of thruthers claim they did.

One of them saw Demczur’s squeegee — the handle, specifically — and inspiration struck: they could use that to chisel their way out.

Slowly — very slowly — but surely, it worked. Forty-five minutes later, they had clawed and punched their way through the drywall, opening a hole giving them access to the 50th floor. As they emerged from the wall, firefighters — who had entered the building to evacuate it and rescue those trapped — ushered them to the stairs. Then, as the LA Times reported, “the men raced down a stairwell to safety before the tower collapsed.”

All six men survived.

Only steel structures brought down by fire alone what about the structural damage due to the planes never mentioned when truthers talk about fires.

Death ray from space just

Mini nukes no blast or heat wave and NO EMP

Please show EVIDENCE of a plane sized hologram in DAYLIGHT

Floors can't pancake from top to bottom example below top floor failed.



You should have a read at this

Confused Truther physics with regards to Aircraft & Building impacts

Look at the damage listed in thread linked above for the Empire State Building also comments made by people in the building, from a far smaller SLOWER aircraft.

Some quotes about the crash.

The bomber was flying relatively slowly and quite low, seeking better visibility, when it came upon the Chrysler Building in midtown. It swerved to avoid the building but the move sent it straight into the north side of the Empire State Building, near the 79th floor.

Upon impact, the plane’s jet fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side.

Now although this plane had a maximum of 974 gallons if fully loaded with fuel (not 10,000) it still managed to cause fires over 4 floors in a building that wasn't open plan like the Towers. Now how many times has it been claimed on here by the truther side that ALL the fuel would be burnt in the explosion so as we can see they are WRONG.

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

An engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.

or this

Gloria Pall worked for the United Service Organization's headquarters on the 56th floor.
"I was at the file cabinet and all of a sudden the building felt like it was just going to topple over," Pall said. "It threw me across the room, and I landed against the wall. People were screaming and looking at each other. We didn't know what to do. We didn't know if it was a bomb or what happened.

So above we have a quote of a person who did not know it was an aircraft thinking it was a bomb now I am sure I have heard claims of bomb sounds from 9/11 the difference with the above NO interweb/facetube idiots to put a false slant on it

Many of the events that happened on 9/11 happened with the Empire State Building crash.

a reply to: ConspiracyofRavens

Tear what apart? Like to provide a quote? In there is absolutely no evidence of CD, no evidence of thermite, every indication the only thing that cause the damage at the pentagon was a large passenger jet. The only think that happened at Shanksville was a large passenger jet full of people, personal items, and cargo caused a large field of wreckage with a point of contact?

Hiw is throwing the term false flag around actual cited proof of WTC CD.

a reply to: ConspiracyofRavens

Why do you promote the obvious con artists, pseudoscience, and right out falsehoods of the truth movement?

a reply to: ConspiracyofRavens

Can you cite actual evidence, or just rant. Make accusations out of innuendo with no actual proof?

as 9/11 was a nuclear attack,
there was a blast,
there was heat wave,
and there definitely was EMP registered by cameras.

actually, there was much more than that, but you ask for those three evidence of the use of a nuclear device.

even if no one can be 98% sure about the nature of the nuke, nor the kilotonnes of the 2 nukes for wtc1 and wtc2, plus little one for wtc7.

ever seen what happened to wtc6? poor wtc6, he was a collateral damage of the nukes!

now, go find for the evidence by yourself, dummy.

a reply to: Bernardo1871

It was not a nuke. There was no blast from a nuke. There was no radiation from a nuke.

a reply to: neutronflux

as you will certainly not look for the evidence, you will certainly not find them! :-)
as you have not find them yet, you keep saying there is nothing such as evidence to back a nuclear attack claim regarding 9/11 nuclear attack.

you can't be wrong, you don't even try! yet you still believe BS.

do you know what SandiaLab is? imagine the coincidence if SandiaLab happened to have come to Nuked York City on september 11, 2001? :-)

imagine if a radiological cleanup had started right on september 11, 2001's afternoon?

my, my, conspiracy nuts who deny the nuclear attack on 9/11 false flag are almost as entertaining as the slaves, who still believe the fantasy narrative, icymi.

a reply to: Bernardo1871

One please cite any video evidence of a nuclear blast, audio evidence of a nuclear blast, or steel that was worked on by a nuclear blast. Any shrapnel from a nuclear blast.

Persons should have been sick or dying from radiation within hours of the 9/11 attacks. People would have tracked contamination to hospitals with radiation detection equipment. Victims should have blast wombs and radiation burns.

How do you “clean up” fall out and activated material that would be all of Manhattan? What equipment was present to clean up the supposed contaminated rubble that was over 1,000,000 tons.

The CD theories that depends the most on pseudoscience are the nuke and dustification theories. Period.

a reply to: Bernardo1871

you can't be wrong, you don't even try

As in I don’t use pseudoscience and fantasy to “try” to compose “evidence”?

VS.

If you study the collapse video, collapse audio, no evidence of a blast shockwave with the force to cut steel columns, seismic evidence, photos of the rubble, the videos of the rubble, no blast shrapnel recovered from WTC victims, no reports of radiation poisoning within hours of 9/11, no evidence of fission products indicative of a nuclear blast, there is absolutely no evidence of a nuclear detonation.

a reply to: neutronflux

what did one expect? of course you don't see anything, you absolutely don't want to be wrong, yet you are! :-)
it's not a matter of truth for you, it's a matter of hubris. it's beyond the internet, you cannot handle to have been wrong all this time.

so, you don't believe that north tower and south tower were taken down by controlled demolition?

there was a radiological cleanup, we get the photos. look for the, or don't. we know you won't. you don't want to have a doubt! :-)

as for the nuke, nobody knows 100% sure how it worked, we just know it was an underground nuclear attack, and what has been registered and observed. going from that data, some have developped hypothesis, explicative models and they still agree that they may be wrong regarding some parts, they have two hypothesis:

1. a slow energy input in the ground (via a 4He + 9Be fusion, powered by subcritical uranium fission neutron flux)
Time of energy input: 60 minutes; advantage: heavy gamma radiation (soundless destruction)

2. However, he leaves the option of a nuclear bomb open (time of energy input: 6 seconds), as so many people insist on it...

(neutron flux, how irony that you call yourself what you dare to deny! :-)

i can say the same to you: you dare to deny Nuked York City yet you do not know what kind of nuke it was. how could you know, if you deny the nuclear attack in the first place? :-)

last but not least, how funny that is your pseudo is 'neutronflux' while it was a neutron pulsator that may have been used, according to one german nuclear physicist PhD! :-)

here is a tip. you'll just say that you don't see anything. qui cela étonne encore? :-)
i told you, conspiracy nuts who deny the nuclear attack are almost as entertaining as the slaves who deny the false flag attack! :-)

Scintillation - effect of radioactive isotopes
South Tower Dust Cloud (FOX News): www.youtube.com...

take that for data! :-)

a reply to: samkent


You and the entire federal government and mainstream media have had 17 years to prove the official narrative, and you've all failed. NIST offers sophistry, and you buy into it.


The 911 Commission heads stated the Commission was set up to fail, and it was, and you still buy into that farce 14 years later.

That same commission noted more than 60 times that "we found no evidence" for one or the other element of the official narrative, and you still buy into it.

C'mon Sam, get real.

a reply to: Bernardo1871

So why was no radiation detected at the site, both during and after the attack

Below is post from 2011 where show NYC Health Department had sent a health inspector equipped with radiation detectors to scene

New York City Department of Health concerned about a "dirty bomb" sent health inspector with sensitive

radiation detectors to WTC

Within minutes of the crash, McKinney sent a radiological health inspector to check the site for any radiation sources. He reached Richard Borri, a senior scientist in the department’s office of Radiological Health, who like most people from DOH, was on his way to work when the first tower was hit.

“While I was walking down Church Street, with all my instruments, I came within 1000 feet of the South Tower, and unfortunately the building came down,” says Borri, sounding every bit the unruffled scientist. “It’s a good thing I walked slowly.”

Used extremely sensitive equipment

That was fortunately not the case, Borri found, using a portable liquid scintillation counter, which measures radioactivity like a Geiger counter. The high-tech portable gadget he carried, one of the few available in the United States, is far more precise than its century-old cousin, the Geiger, counter with a much more refined ability to detect any kind of radioactivity.


Only radiation at scene was from radio pharmaceuticals in pharmacy in WTC

Although Borri didn’t turn up any problematic radioactive readings by the end of the day, his work would be supplemented by the federal Department of Energy, whose technicians remained on site and continued to sample. [Only during the last days of the Ground Zero cleanup would radioactive testers find any evidence of radioactive emissions, from a pharmacy laboratory located within one of the buildings.]

www.neha.org...

Later that day FDNY HAZ MAT unit carried out surveys - once off duty members assembled, original crew
was killed in collapse

At this point it was utter chaos trying to find people and get organized. It took a while to re-organize and find some people and get working on the rubble to look for survivors. A total recall was ordered and upon the arrival of a few more Haz-Mat guys we performed quick surveys of the perimeter in two teams of four checking for radiation, nerve and blister agent, all results were negative. We then began digging for survivors.


As can see radiation monitoring was carried out from start of the incident

Nothing was found yet the conspiracy loons persist in claiming nuclear weapon brought down the WTC

a reply to: Bernardo1871

DID YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE VIDEO ??

Or do you just parrot stupid stuff you hear ??

At end the anchorman states that the cameraman WENT DOWN while running from the dust cloud which accounted for the
scrambled video

www.youtube.com...