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originally posted by: waypastvne
originally posted by: Jesushere
Two planes crashed you going to find lifevests from the two planes scattered around New York.
So are you admitting things can survive a fire ball.
That's a big step forward.
Was not reported the man who ran away was wearing a business suit?
Business attire.
originally posted by: waypastvne
originally posted by: Jesushere
It makes more sense the central core resistance got removed and the building then fell into freefall speed coming down.
Freefall is not a speed. There is no such thing. Only Truthers use the term "freefall speed. If the speed was constant then WTC7 would be falling at terminal Velocity, which would probably be somewhere around mach 1. The proper fraise is free fall acceleration, a constant increase in velocity at a constant rate. On earth it's 32' per second per second.
If you want us to stop laughing at you, then you should probably stop using the phrase "freefall speed"
Did you know WTC7 fell at a rate faster than free fall acceleration for most of that 2.25 seconds.
Every thing above the black line is slower than FFA. Every thing below is faster than FFA. It got up to around 39' per second per second.
Can you explain to us how Nano Thermite made it accelerate faster than FFA.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
First thought? Why would a physics department peer review a chemistry paper?
Bullet point from Steven E. Jones BYU home page below. No mention of BYU. The link to the paper does not work?
www.physics.byu.edu...
Niels Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven Jones, et al. "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", THE OPEN CHEMICAL PHYSICS JOURNAL, April 2009.
Then this is what is written about Jones’s “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" on Wikipedia.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
Jones placed a research paper entitled "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" on his page in the Physics department Web site, noting that BYU had no responsibility for the paper.[21]
Jones subsequently presented the WTC research in lectures at Idaho State University, Utah Valley State College, University of Colorado at Boulder and University of Denver, the Utah Academy of Science, Sonoma State University, University of California at Berkeley, and the University of Texas at Austin.[22][23][24][25][26][27][28]
On September 7, 2006, Jones removed his paper from BYU's website at the request of administrators and was placed on paid leave.[29] The university cited its concern about the "increasingly speculative and accusatory nature" of Jones' work and that perhaps Jones' research had "not been published in appropriate scientific venues" as reasons for putting him under review.
This is what Wikipedia has on Jones’s involvement with the active thermite paper
en.m.wikipedia.org...
In April 2009, Jones, along with Niels H. Harrit and 7 other authors published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, titled, 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe'.[47] The editor of the journal, Professor Marie-Paule Pileni, an expert in explosives and nano-technology,[48][49] resigned. She received an e-mail from the Danish science journal Videnskab asking for her professional assessment of the article's content.[50][51] According to Pileni, the article was published without her authorization. Subsequently, numerous concerns arose regarding the reliability of the publisher, Bentham Science Publishing. This included the publishing an allegedly peer reviewed article generated by SCIgen [52] (although this program has also successfully submitted papers to IEEE and Springer [53]), the resignation of multiple people at the administrative level,[54][55] and soliciting article submissions from researchers in unrelated fields through spam.[56] With regard to the peer review process of the research conducted by Jones in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, David Griscom identified himself as one of the reviewers.[57] The paper which Jones co-authored referenced Griscom, and multiple scientists studying 9/11, in the acknowledgements for "elucidating discussions and encouragements".[19] Almost four years prior to identifying himself as a reviewer and the welcome he received from Jones for speaking out boldly,[58] Griscom published a letter in defense of evidence-based 9/11 studies;[59] of which Jones was an editor.[60]
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
can you back this up by a cited source. Was the lead peer reviewer David L. Griscom, PhD, who is part of a truth movement group called scholars for 9/11 truth and justice. That does not seem like a independent peer review? Seems like a biased peer review.
originally posted by: Jesushere
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
First thought? Why would a physics department peer review a chemistry paper?
Bullet point from Steven E. Jones BYU home page below. No mention of BYU. The link to the paper does not work?
www.physics.byu.edu...
Niels Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven Jones, et al. "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", THE OPEN CHEMICAL PHYSICS JOURNAL, April 2009.
Then this is what is written about Jones’s “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" on Wikipedia.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
Jones placed a research paper entitled "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" on his page in the Physics department Web site, noting that BYU had no responsibility for the paper.[21]
Jones subsequently presented the WTC research in lectures at Idaho State University, Utah Valley State College, University of Colorado at Boulder and University of Denver, the Utah Academy of Science, Sonoma State University, University of California at Berkeley, and the University of Texas at Austin.[22][23][24][25][26][27][28]
On September 7, 2006, Jones removed his paper from BYU's website at the request of administrators and was placed on paid leave.[29] The university cited its concern about the "increasingly speculative and accusatory nature" of Jones' work and that perhaps Jones' research had "not been published in appropriate scientific venues" as reasons for putting him under review.
This is what Wikipedia has on Jones’s involvement with the active thermite paper
en.m.wikipedia.org...
In April 2009, Jones, along with Niels H. Harrit and 7 other authors published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, titled, 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe'.[47] The editor of the journal, Professor Marie-Paule Pileni, an expert in explosives and nano-technology,[48][49] resigned. She received an e-mail from the Danish science journal Videnskab asking for her professional assessment of the article's content.[50][51] According to Pileni, the article was published without her authorization. Subsequently, numerous concerns arose regarding the reliability of the publisher, Bentham Science Publishing. This included the publishing an allegedly peer reviewed article generated by SCIgen [52] (although this program has also successfully submitted papers to IEEE and Springer [53]), the resignation of multiple people at the administrative level,[54][55] and soliciting article submissions from researchers in unrelated fields through spam.[56] With regard to the peer review process of the research conducted by Jones in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, David Griscom identified himself as one of the reviewers.[57] The paper which Jones co-authored referenced Griscom, and multiple scientists studying 9/11, in the acknowledgements for "elucidating discussions and encouragements".[19] Almost four years prior to identifying himself as a reviewer and the welcome he received from Jones for speaking out boldly,[58] Griscom published a letter in defense of evidence-based 9/11 studies;[59] of which Jones was an editor.[60]
Scientists who study chemical physics peer reviewed the paper.
BYU admin is protecting is own interests. This is not uncommon. The Skeptics probably bombarded them with complaints about the subject. Skeptics are zealots BYU Administration did not want to stick its neck out and support this paper. Scientists are individuals they often support non-conformist ideas and are not bogged down by the politics of it all.
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
Thermite (/ˈθɜːrmaɪt/)[1] is a pyrotechnic composition of metal powder, which serves as fuel, and metal oxide.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
FEMA was handed a WTC7 steel sample to look at. Fact, not a lie most of the steel was got rid of hastily and shipped away in two weeks to China
Where the Twin Towers Ended Up
www.theatlantic.com...
When the Twin Towers came down 14 years ago, about 200,000 tons of steel slammed into the ground.
Shortly after the attacks, New York City sold 175,000 tons of World Trade Center steel scrap to be made into something else. Some went to cities in the United States; about 60,000 tons went to companies in China, India, and South Korea. But some steel was recovered from Ground Zero for a different purpose: to be memorialized.
FORENSIC STUDY OF THE STEEL IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
ws680.nist.gov...
RECOVERY AND CATALOGING OF THE STEEL
Beginning in October 2001, the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT, led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and American Society of Civil Engineers) and members of the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY), began work to identify and collect WTC structural steel. They collected these pieces from the various recovery yards where debris, including the steel, had been taken during the cleanup effort. NIST joined the recovery effort and provided an area for safe storage of the steel for later forensic investigation.
A major task for the NIST investigation was cataloging the recovered structural steel elements (perimeter panels, core columns, floor trusses, bolts, etc.) for further evaluation and/or testing relative to the fire and structural response of the buildings. NIST has cataloged these 236 elements, mostly from WTC 1 and WTC 2, which represent between 0.25 % to 0.5 % of the 200,000 tons of steel used in the construction of the two towers.
Critical to this task was the determination of the original, as-built location of the recovered elements within the buildings. The buildings were complex, with the 14 specified grades of steel having strengths ranging from 36 ksi to 100 ksi. To keep track of the material during construction, each piece was given a serial number indicating the location in the building. The numbers were embossed by stampings and/or painted stencils (Figure 2). In many cases the serial numbers, or at least a partial identifier, survived the collapse and subsequent recovery events. After correlating the identifiers with the structural plans for the buildings, 41 distinct perimeter panel sections were unambiguously identified from the two towers, and the location of 12 core columns was established. The following pieces of special interest were found:
WTC1 - 4 perimeter panels directly hit by the aircraft (Figure 3), - 22 perimeter panels from critical floors (91-101),
- 2 core columns from the fire-affected floors,
WTC 2
- 4 perimeter panels from near the impact floors,
- 2 core columns from the impact floors with possible impact damage.
You keep claiming there no evidence of cut steel. Yet the two samples FEMA have from WTC7 and one of the towers clearly shows the steel was dissolved by high temp oxidation. We know because science says so steel does not melt below 1300c.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Corroding steel requires a temp of 1000c to 1500c.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That noise heard in the WTC7 is louder than 130db. 130DB is just the noise of a drill being heard.
Fact, not a lie most of the steel was got rid of hastily and shipped away in two weeks to China.
neutronflux Some of the WTC steel pieces was saved because a voluntary group called Civil Engineers of New York went to the dumpsite and removed the pieces.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
NIST began its investigation on 21 August 2002. Prior to this date, volunteers from NIST, FEMA, ASCE and others collected steel members important to the investigation from the four steel recycling facilities during the recovery effort. They collected and cataloged 236 steel artifacts, including exterior columns, core columns, floor trusses and other similar structural members.[15] They were able to observe the metallurgical chemistry and structure and perform experiments on the recovered elements to measure their attributes such as mechanical properties under high temperatures.
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Numerous volunteers organized to form "bucket brigades", which passed 5-gallon buckets full of debris down a line to investigators, who sifted through the debris in search of evidence and human remains. Ironworkers helped cut up steel beams into more manageable sizes for removal. Much of the debris was hauled off to the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island where it was further searched and sorted.[39]
nymag.com...
As soon as the second plane hit, the NYPD began treating the area around the World Trade Center as a crime scene. It was standard procedure. The incident would fall under the “mass fatality” protocol—ten or more people killed. That meant, among other things, getting the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner ready to collect bodies for identification. A group of forensic scientists, including the city’s chief medical examiner, Charles Hirsch, loaded into a white Ford Excursion and drove downtown, toward the smoking Towers. Robert Shaler, then the director of OCME’s Forensic Biology Department, stayed behind.
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For years, that steel, along with hundreds of other artifacts from that day—crushed police cars, elevator parts, souvenirs, and jewelry from the underground mall—was stored in an 80,000-square-foot hangar at John F. Kennedy International Airport. The 840 pieces of steel were cut to create 2,200 chunks. Since 2008, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has doled out these artifacts to government and
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The biggest chunk of steel, weighing 47,000 pounds, was given to the Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation, which raises money for first responders injured or killed in the line of duty.
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
Thermite (/ˈθɜːrmaɪt/)[1] is a pyrotechnic composition of metal powder, which serves as fuel, and metal oxide.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
Professor Harrit paper was peer-reviewed by the Physics Dept at BYU and accepted as scientifically sound.
Thermite (/ˈθɜːrmaɪt/)[1] is a pyrotechnic composition of metal powder, which serves as fuel, and metal oxide.
en.m.wikipedia.org...