The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

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It was the core based on what proof. The buckling inward of outer load bearing columns seen on the outside in isolated areas? Remember, the truth movement claimed the resistance of every floor had to be cut to achieve the witnessed rate of collapse. Is that false?

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Already did I provided you FEMA link about Tower 1. They said the central core moved first in the collapse.

They concluded fire related collapse too? So it must be fire related collapse then? So what is your problem?

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere


Unscathed passport yes nonsense. Why did not just burn up in his trousers? Where do you think he had it kept?

Don't you know anything about islam. The passport is, Rule of the Kafur. He most likely spit on it, threw it on the floor of the plane, and then stepped on it. He would not want it on him when he met Allah.

Some guy in a business suit just hands over and runs off come now that's just weird. Did police officer not ask the man a question finding a passport hey where do you find can take your name for reference.

This is Richard Wozniak he found the passport'

I was now standing in what seemed to be a war zone. There were scattered police and firefighters all around the streets. It seemed that I was one of only a handful of civilians so I had to pass myself off as a security agent as I was determined to stay and help. I was now outside the Bankers Trust (130 Liberty St.) building approximately 100 ft. or so away from the entrance of the main tower. I could hear objects hitting the ground around me so I decided to work my way around the back of the building and now I had learned what had happened.

I was standing in the middle of what were the remains of a passenger aircraft. There were seats and engine parts smashed through car windows everywhere. What seemed to be an engine was embedded into the sidewalk and body parts were strewn all over the street. Then I looked down to my feet and picked up a passport. It was a Saudi passport. It was green with Arabic writing and as I opened it and saw the man’s face inside it and I felt as if I were looking into the eyes of someone that may have been part of the terror that I was witnessing around me and I later learned that I was right as I passed it off to an FBI agent that was standing a block away on West side Hwy who immediately took it from me. He then instructed me to leave the area but before he could notice I ran back to the side of the Bankers Trust building determined to help find survivors that may have been hurt in the streets or in the cars. Then my life was changed forever.

Richard Wozniak was and still is working for American International Group, Inc. located on 175 Water st. NYC.

His email address is at the end of the link, if you have any questions you should contact him.

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It had to escape a fireball.

Yes. And the video explains how.

Your link does not work please provide one that works.

neutronflux They are government agency what you expect? They always blame in on fire.

originally posted by: Jesushere
Waypastve needs his eyes checked if his seeing southward inbowing first.

20/20 vision.

10:22AM

55" of bowing.

neutronflux Nonsense the steel central core has to be comprised only. The central core failure is what is dragging in the floor trusses and the perimeter walls+columns

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waypastvne I don't see bowing in of perimeter walls and columns? I see a slight deformity on one edge that's it, you think that caused tower 1 to fall?

originally posted by: Jesushere


The central core failure is what is dragging in the floor trusses and the perimeter walls+columns

Then we should see the antenna move downward at sometime before 10:22AM.

Can you provide us with a video of this happening ?

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Nonsense the steel central core has to be comprised only. The central core failure is what is dragging in the floor trusses and the perimeter walls+columns

Then why was the initial buckling inward in isolated areas. With no visible signs in the floors above the the building. There is no evidence of a dropped core pulling the tower down.

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux They are government agency what you expect? They always blame in on fire.

You didn’t answer

It was the core based on what proof. The buckling inward of outer load bearing columns seen on the outside in isolated areas? Remember, the truth movement claimed the resistance of every floor had to be cut to achieve the witnessed rate of collapse. Is that false?

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne I don't see bowing in of perimeter walls and columns?

Then it is you who needs to get your eyes checked.

waypastvne guy could be a nut case if all we know. I could write up a testimonial and claim this too who know any different?

Bankers trust building? That a fair distance for the passport to travel to WTC3 building is behind WTC1.

neutronflux Even if FEMA believe fire caused Tower 1 to fail they disagreed with NIST where the event started.

What do you mean by every floor had to be cut? The central steel core failing is enough to cause a failure across the building. What caused the central core failures?

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne guy could be a nut case if all we know. I could write up a testimonial and claim this too who know any different?

Bankers trust building? That a fair distance for the passport to travel to WTC3 building is behind WTC1.

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NYPD Aviation Units: Minutes after the south tower collapsed at the World Trade Center, police helicopters hovered near the remaining tower to check its condition. "About 15 floors down from the top, it looks like it's glowing red," the pilot of one helicopter, Aviation 14, radioed at 10:07 a.m. "It's inevitable."

Seconds later, another pilot reported: "I don't think this has too much longer to go. I would evacuate all people within the area of that second building." Source

10:20 NYPD – Aviation 14 states the WTC 1 is leaning. (NYPD, McKinsey & Company) NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p. 227

Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall.

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the pending collapse of the building,'' said Sivaraj Shyam- Sunder, who heads the institute, at a press briefing in New York. "Any time that information could have been communicated faster to the emergency responders in the buildings, it would have helped save lives."

According to Shyam-Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam-Sunder said. Source


Summary of NYPD SOD radio channel communications about the north tower (NIST NCSTAR1-8 p.37)

10:06: NYPD officer advises that it isn't going to take much longer before the north tower comes down and to pull emergency vehicles back from the building.

10:20: NYPD aviation unit reports that the tip of the tower might be leaning.

10:21: NYPD aviation unit reports that the north tower is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south. NYPD officer advises that all personnel close to the building pull back three blocks in every direction.

10:27: NYPD aviation unit reports that the roof is going to come down very shortly.

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This post by me:

originally posted by: waypastvne


NIST did explain it. It was cascade failure of the truss seats.

This is a truss seat:

They are located here:

After collapse initiation the floors impacted one upon the next, overloading the truss seat welded connection:

To the columns:

No thermite necessary. AND:




It fits the evidence found.

Was in response to this post written by you.

originally posted by: Jesushere

Regarding the Twin Tower NIST openly admits they did could not provide a full explanation for the collapse. They could not get a handle on what occurred once it started to fall.

It had nothing to do with column bowing. Please try and pay attention.

neutronflux Information provided by NIST cannot be trusted. They modelled WTC7 collapse incorrectly and dare I say it fraudulently.

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Even if FEMA believe fire caused Tower 1 to fail they disagreed with NIST where the event started.

What do you mean by every floor had to be cut? The central steel core failing is enough to cause a failure across the building. What caused the central core failures?

The truth movement’s major argument is the towers could not achieve the witnessed rate of collapse unless CD removed the resistance of each floor. Is that false? Sorta of the start of the whole CD fantasy.

Recharge Gauge claims the towers fell trough the path of greatest resistance. Is that false?

But for WTC 1 and 2, long sections of vertical columns remained standing after the last of the floor systems crashed to the ground. The vertical columns fell in the wake of the collapsed floor systems. The floor systems fell about 60 percent of the rate of free fall. The cores fell slower at 40 percent of free fall.

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Information provided by NIST cannot be trusted. They modelled WTC7 collapse incorrectly and dare I say it fraudulently.

And the information from the truth movement is total BS.

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Information provided by NIST cannot be trusted. They modelled WTC7 collapse incorrectly and dare I say it fraudulently.

Like an unethically peer reviewed paper in a pay to play journal, with samples never released for independent verification of thermite. With the paper never publishing a result of a test that would actually prove or disprove a thermite reaction. While claiming super thermite without actually writing out what formula of thermite the paint chips matched? And nobody else finding thermite in the WTC dust. With no explanation why there would be thermite in the dust dust. With no thermal imaging or metallurgical proof the steel was heated to 4000F at which thermite burns?