Science just Uncover what happened to our mind when we Die, Star trek knew it since 1988!!

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Dear readers,

Today it is a turning point in science, one of the fundamental questions that have been asked along all the existence of humanity is what happened with our mind when we die, well finally science is able to explain it.

The Brain remains still alive for some minutes after all the other vital functions ceased and gradually there is a process of disconnection of neurons that take place. Technically if there is a way to resuscitate the person during that lapse the brain does not suffer damages.

Please check:
Star Trek foresaw what happens with our mind when we die correctly in 1980

The Intriguing point is that there was somebody able to explain in details all this stuff in 1988, through some way the scripters of Star Trek the new generation in one of the episodes had a case of a death aboard and the physician in charge was able to explain this same process as right now it is confirmed actually happens.

How 30 years ago they know with absolute certainty that this was going to be the correct scientific explanation is matter of speculations??

Considering the fact that our specie has claimed along thousands of years of civilization as well as different religious traditions that we are a separate creation from the rest of the Animal kingdom, even formally until XIX century humans were not considered to be animals at all, and that was a formidable obstacle to overcome for scientists like Charles Darwin, it is remarkable the finding of a science fiction series that correctly forecasted what science was going to find.

Following a run-in with Armus, an evil black sludge-monster thing, Lieutenant Tasha Yar is severely injured. Back in the starship's sickbay, the crew watch over Yar as she slowly dies. Just like the new scientific research explains, Commander Beverly Crusher notes that there is still hope to revitalize Lieutenant Yar, even though there is technically no brain activity.

"Neurons are beginning to depolarize," another crew member adds, just like it's explained in the scientific research.

The episode of the TV science fiction series Star trek - New generation, where this was predicted is "skin of evil" part 2.

"Skin of Evil" is the 23rd episode of the first season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, and originally aired on April 25, 1988, in broadcast syndication. The story premise was written by Joseph Stefano, and the screenplay was re-written by Hannah Louise Shearer. The episode was directed by Joseph L. Scanlan.

Please check:
Skin of Evil episode of Star Trek

The thread is open to discuss the interesting facts of powerful intuition in writers of science fiction to predict futuristic technologies and finding in Science as well as automatic writing skills in parapsychology.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

The thread is open to discuss the interesting facts of powerful intuition in writers of science fiction to predict futuristic technologies and finding in Science as well as automatic writing skills in parapsychology.

Intuition? Probably not. Your source:

It's bizarre stuff, but the scientists behind the new research are fairly certain the "Star Trek" producers are not time-traveling neurobiologists. In the spirit of Spock, there seems to be a much more logical explanation.

"My best guess is that the creators of "Star Trek" must have found research at the time that detailed a similar process in animals," Dreier told VICE. "The first person to research these sort of brain waves was a Brazilian neurophysiologist who conducted studies on rabbits in the 1940s. All we've done is show it in humans."

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Like many "predictions" of science fiction, it's an extrapolation not intuition.

a reply to: Phage

well, first they recognize that they are trying to guess, and the level of certainty of their speculation is so 'precise' that even the name of the Brazilian scientist that they are trying to refer is not given at all, it remains unknown.

Second, it was not a scientist investigating this fact on human beings, just in certain species of rabbits, if we decide to trust that very informally cited 'reference'.

A good question here is how a team of Scientists can justify research funding for a 'discovery' that according with such speculations was already carried out in the so called third world since about 1940? ......Excuse me that does Not have any sense at all, I work in scientific research with grants of NSF.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Phage

What i have found trying to follow their reference, that may be the work they are trying to cite is about Aristides Leão :

Scientists spotted it first in rabbits. In a series of papers published throughout the 1940s, Harvard biologist Aristides Leão described finding a sudden silencing of electrical activity in the exposed brains of his unconscious experimental animals after subjecting them to injuries — applying electrical shocks, poking them with glass rods or cutting off the blood in their arteries. The "spreading depression," as he termed it, began at the injured spot within 5 minutes of the injury, before eclipsing more distant parts of the brain.

As you can see the comment is mentioning study of injured animals, not about study of death of Brain, it refers to damages on central nervous system perhaps simulating accidents.

Even the original paper, if you read just a little the Abstract and the Introduction compare those injuries with Epilepsy, so clearly is not about death what the author is writing.

The topic he was researching about is depression caused by physical trauma.

Here is my source:
www.livescience.com...

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Phage

The paper where this was quoted from was published under the title:

'Further depression of spreading of depression of activity in cerebral cortex'

It was not received for analysis for publication before June 25tth of 1947, In the Americanl Journal of Physiology, but actual date of publication is not disclosed, at least not in the same place is available the full text of the paper.

So there is no way to show it was written in 1940 as it was originally claimed in those speculations you have mentioned. I am going to continue investigating how long the reviewers had that paper in analysis and when actually was published.

Pls check
www.physiology.org...

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Phage

I have contacted somebody in the editorial board of that journal and it seems a very first version of this paper appeared published in the issue of November of 1947.

The scientist was affiliated to the Institute of BioPhysics of the University of Brazil, at Rio de Janeiro.

Pls check
www.physiology.org...

Now what is very interesting here is that the paper is classified in the scientific bibliography Not about what happen in the Brain when we die, but about a study on Depression using Rabbits in experiments arranged to study that ailment.

The Author published other two papers on the same topic, all of them are under the topic of Depression, a mental disorder, not about Brain Death.

In the Journal of Electroencephalogr Clin Neurophysiol. 1951 Aug;3(3):315-21.
The slow voltage variation of cortical spreading depression of activity.
LEAO AA.
PMID: 14879782

Spreading depression.
Leão AA.
In the Journal of Funct Neurol. 1986 Oct-Dec;1(4):363-6.
PMID: 3609866

Please check:
Leao, A. A. list of published Papers on Depression

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Phage

This the story of how that script was actually conceived with a little more details:

The original story, then titled "The Shroud," was written by Joseph Stefano, who had previously worked on The Outer Limits. Hannah Louise Shearer was given the task of re-writing the original take. The first draft had Yar's death occur earlier in the episode with the main focus of the episode being the Armus creature rather than her death. It was the show's creator, Gene Roddenberry who argued in favor of her sudden demise as he felt it was suitable for a security officer. Roddenberry also argued against killing Armus in retaliation. Shearer later described the decision, saying "Gene felt we couldn't kill the creature, because it is not up to us as human beings to make a moral judgement on any creature that we encounter, because we are not God"

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Skin of Evil episode script

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Phage

we will never know about the Yuggoth Pluto thing..

a reply to: The angel of light

They were presenting one early example of such research, not saying that was the only such research. There was plenty of it.
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a reply to: The angel of light

What did they really find out ? I would have guessed the brain would not just turn off like a light.

When we die, we become worm meat. Nothing more.

So that would mean when I flatline, could the ears still working? I don´t want the last thing that I hear to be my family moaning until I slowly drift into the black void.

A terrible thought for me.

originally posted by: The angel of light

The Brain remains still alive for some minutes after all the other vital functions ceased and gradually there is a process of disconnection of neurons that take place. Technically if there is a way to resuscitate the person during that lapse the brain does not suffer damages.

I think I'm missing something here? We have known for a very long time that to die is not instant if the brain is functioning.

The Brian shuts down as the lack of O2 continues, so what am I missing? Damage to the brain can be based on many things, such as lower temperature that slows down the cell degeneration. Even back in Victorian days when they cut heads off they would quickly grab the head to see that it is still "alive" for a few seconds...morbid sense of curiosity I guess.

Sometimes science fiction predicts science fact. I’m typing this on a communicator that has access to most of the knowledge of our species.

And text messaging.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I've seen a video where a mans head was cut off and his eyes looked around ... Creepy

some of the better science fiction is based on science fact ( wile it may be speculation at the time the germ of the science is there .
Its not a prediction so much as a logical conclusion o a science study .
for instance computers started off as a bored with colored beeds But never the less even before the first electronic computer humans had and used computers the next guy just built on that and today we have these .

originally posted by: verschickter
I don´t want the last thing that I hear to be my family moaning until I slowly drift into the black void.

Once you're dead, however, you won't care anymore.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

PM me that link?

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Gargoyle91,

Putting this in very flat language what they actually found is that the cease of activity in heart and lungs, manifested by the stop of flow of blood and the regular supply of oxygen it carries, triggers a mechanism of response in the brain that put everything there in stand by mode.

In other words the brain does not Shut off immediately, but induces a kind of deep sleep in which it can remain for minutes waiting if there is a way to regain normality.

This sound to me is what happen in a Computer when the batteries are wasted, it goes in to a minimum level of consumption of energy preserving what is inside safe while somebody find the way to connect the charger in an outlet.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: SirKonstantin

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