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Some woman and her morally bankrupt/wrong lifestyle isn't my problem
They need to pony up the money themselves. Same goes for their 20 other kids they didn't abort.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MiddleInsite
You're right.
It is legal to kill unborn children because they are not considered individual human beings with their own unique DNA.
originally posted by: Halfswede
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MiddleInsite
You're right.
It is legal to kill unborn children because they are not considered individual human beings with their own unique DNA.
Unless of course the mother is killed, then suddenly it is a unique human being and the person is charged with two murders. Never understood that. I think the truth of what a human life really is only dawns on people when it isn't their choice. Murder is murder. Legal murder is still murder.
originally posted by: eNumbra
originally posted by: Halfswede
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MiddleInsite
You're right.
It is legal to kill unborn children because they are not considered individual human beings with their own unique DNA.
Unless of course the mother is killed, then suddenly it is a unique human being and the person is charged with two murders. Never understood that. I think the truth of what a human life really is only dawns on people when it isn't their choice. Murder is murder. Legal murder is still murder.
You don’t understand that the second murder charge is added because it’s assumed the mother would keep the child? Because the child exists until it doesn’t, even if you killed the mother in her way to abort the fetus, she hadn’t gone through with it.
It’s about self determination and bodily autonomy
originally posted by: Halfswede
originally posted by: eNumbra
originally posted by: Halfswede
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MiddleInsite
You're right.
It is legal to kill unborn children because they are not considered individual human beings with their own unique DNA.
Unless of course the mother is killed, then suddenly it is a unique human being and the person is charged with two murders. Never understood that. I think the truth of what a human life really is only dawns on people when it isn't their choice. Murder is murder. Legal murder is still murder.
You don’t understand that the second murder charge is added because it’s assumed the mother would keep the child? Because the child exists until it doesn’t, even if you killed the mother in her way to abort the fetus, she hadn’t gone through with it.
It’s about self determination and bodily autonomy
Oh, I understand perfectly. It is a human life when it is convenient. Otherwise it is a piece of meat. I have no issue with people choosing do do what they want, but they need to be consistent that it is killing a human in all cases.
originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
I don't want to call anyone names or try to ascribe improper motivations to any point of view. So I'm tired of the reverse happening, that I'm considered some sort of troglodyte for believing in saving the unborn children's lives. Economic arguments against saving life never have held sway with me.
originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: Southern Guardian
The idea that one is logically, or morally, inconsistent to be against abortion and against welfare abuse is not only wrong, it is a red-herring. If your world view is such that you consider abortion to be murder, you would want to prevent that murder. Hypothetically having prevented that murder, why should you be responsible for the surviving victim. When someone prevents the murder of a person other than an unborn child, or fetus, or whatever, should they first do a calculation to the cost to society that would be engendered by saving that person?
originally posted by: donnydeevil
I am pro life and hate the fact that there are abortions are taking place but I am also for the right for a woman to choose.
After all it is the woman who suffers the consequences and not the general public.