The Prehistoric Origins of QiGong

The Origins of Qi Gong have been said to have originated around 7000 years ago in Ancient China.

A fascinating excerpt from Zhuan Falun paints a very different picture of the origins of not only Qi Gong but mankind in general.

In this excerpt Master Li Hongzhi (founder of Falun Dafa) states that civilizations on this Earth have risen and fell countless times over:

✿ Qigong is Part of Prehistoric Culture ✿

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a reply to: LitriumGem

Well I followed the link and read the submission. Reads like a lot of Graham Hancock mush really...with a hint of Blavatsky!

a reply to: LitriumGem

Great post.

The philosophies behind many Asian arts are fascinating and pre-date western civilization's efforts by millennia.

Both Acupuncture and Kung Fu also have incredibly rich histories and traditions

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: LitriumGem

Great post.

The philosophies behind many Asian arts are fascinating and pre-date western civilization's efforts by millennia.

Both Acupuncture and Kung Fu also have incredibly rich histories and traditions

Agreed Argatha, the Eastern Arts are very deep and stretch far into distant prehistoric ages. I highly recommend giving Zhuan Falun a read. It's in my honest opinion an incredibly insightful read.

a reply to: LitriumGem

✿ Qigong is Part of Prehistoric Culture ✿ 

I think so. The name and method may have varied between peoples and circumstances, but the direction and goals are the same. The natural expression of the soul.

Powerful stuff.

Be a dragon. Like ice about to melt. A stone atop a hill about to fall. Be like water. Bruce Lee said something along those lines but I dont think he was the first.

Be well. Thanks for bringing up the subject.

Cult with a capitol C...

Read Hsiao Guangs book:

Breaking Through the Barriers of Darkness: Recognizing the Cult of Qigong for What It Is by Hsiao Guang

Why is Falun Gong dangerous? Because it is a new "eastern religion" that disguises itself as exercise classes, non-religious relaxation and mediation. These exercises are the actual religious ritual of this eastern religion.

Falun Gong practitioners zealously evangelize their religion as mere peaceful exercise and meditation, when in fact they are using this as bait to convert you to their religion.

You only learn that 45 year old "Master Li" (pictured below) is your god and creator after you have participated in many exercise classes and they have gained your trust and friendship. Just as Scientology tries to "suck you in" with a "Free Personality Test", so too Falun Gong uses physical meditation classes to convert you. This technique is called "bait and switch" and in all western societies, it is illegal to do such by law and condemned by all Better Business Bureau's.

Exposed and refuted: Falun Dafa, Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun

a reply to: Murgatroid

The whole world supports Falun Dafa. The only country that is still actively persecuting it is the Chinese Communist Party:

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"By April 2001, Mr. Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the extraordinary contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world.

These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta. On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate.

In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by Asiaweek magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing".He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001, and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

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It has also healed hundreds of thousands of people around the world. A whole book has been written about it's healing and rejuvenating effects:

en.minghui.org...



Most false and bad media about Falun Dafa is from the Chinese Communist Party. They have a whole Propaganda bureau just dedicated to slander and undermine Falun Dafa:

en.minghui.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


Furthermore they torture Falun Dafa disciples and also perform live vivisections on them to harvest their organs. The Chinese Communist Party is the True cult. They are the most evil cult on this planet based on strife, fear and deceit:

en.minghui.org...

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: LitriumGem

✿ Qigong is Part of Prehistoric Culture ✿ 

I think so. The name and method may have varied between peoples and circumstances, but the direction and goals are the same. The natural expression of the soul.

Powerful stuff.

Be a dragon. Like ice about to melt. A stone atop a hill about to fall. Be like water. Bruce Lee said something along those lines but I dont think he was the first.

Be well. Thanks for bringing up the subject.

Indeed Tadaman, the wisdom and knowledge of the ancient awakened ones transcend what our current scientific paradigm understands. It's so fortunate that some of these ancient practices from prehistoric times have still been preserved and passed down till today.

originally posted by: LitriumGem
The Origins of Qi Gong have been said to have originated around 7000 years ago in Ancient China.

There's a big problem with this...
* people weren't writing back then
* Once they started writing, there's no documentation of this system of belief (until recently)
* and as others have said, this is actually a very new originates in 1990 practice.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: LitriumGem
The Origins of Qi Gong have been said to have originated around 7000 years ago in Ancient China.

There's a big problem with this...
* people weren't writing back then
* Once they started writing, there's no documentation of this system of belief (until recently)
* and as others have said, this is actually a very new originates in 1990 practice.

Around the 1990's is when the practice was given to the secular world. However it's origins stretch far into prehistoric times. In Zhuan Falun they talk a little about this:

excerpt 1:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."

excerpt 2:

"What we cultivate in our practice is huge, it’s not like all those ones that imitate animal movements. What we cultivate in this practice is just immense. Back in the times of Shakyamuni and Lao-zi, all of the truths taught then were just truths within the scope of our Milky Way. Then what do we cultivate in Falun Dafa? We cultivate by following the laws governing evolution in this universe, we take the highest nature of the universe—to be True, Good, and Endure—as the standard to guide our cultivation. What we cultivate is something so huge, it’s the same as cultivating a universe."


Also, the way Cultivation ways have been passed down throughout the ages haven't always been in written form. Many have been passed down in a lineage type way through world of mouth.

a reply to: LitriumGem



Yeah, tried to find my pics of the big banners at Tung Chung bus station.

Falun dafa is evil cult and Falun dafa is good.

All I know is that the chinese govt is really going after these guys.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
a reply to: LitriumGem



Yeah, tried to find my pics of the big banners at Tung Chung bus station.

Falun dafa is evil cult and Falun dafa is good.

All I know is that the chinese govt is really going after these guys.

The True reason why the CCP is perescuting Falun Dafa is can be found here:

www.ninecommentaries.com...

a reply to: midicon

For some reason you seem to recognized it from the first view. It took me a bit more reading into the book itself to get convinced that this is the so called ''spiritual materialism'' material. Sadly, it seem to be that kind of 'false Qi-Gong' rant. Which should not stop people being interested in QiGong and its more intelligent variations...

You will no longer suffer and will be set free—that is what it implies.

-Look folks, no real Chinese Medicine or QiGing practitioner would spawn a sentence like that. I mean - Never!

I knew for a long time about that 'fa guys', I've seen them even in person and talked to some of them, but as all their ways were looking childish to me, I've never showed an interest to get deeper in their stuff. Now, thanks to the discussion in this thread my interest increased a bit, and what I can conclude after the brief overview of their paper from my subjective personal viewpoint is that in this case we have a common misuse of mysterious topics (supernatural powers) scheme, taking place, probably for some material gain, or distraction-disinformation. By the way, the similarity with Blavatsky is laughably extreme.

Be well.
-ego

originally posted by: LitriumGem

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: LitriumGem
The Origins of Qi Gong have been said to have originated around 7000 years ago in Ancient China.

There's a big problem with this...
* people weren't writing back then
* Once they started writing, there's no documentation of this system of belief (until recently)
* and as others have said, this is actually a very new originates in 1990 practice.

Around the 1990's is when the practice was given to the secular world. However it's origins stretch far into prehistoric times. In Zhuan Falun they talk a little about this:

excerpt 1:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."

Now... understand that I'm a scientist and an anthropologist (study humans and how they interact.) So my question is - besides the statement in this book, what evidence is there that this practice existed and saved people on a large scale?

excerpt 2:

"What we cultivate in our practice is huge, it’s not like all those ones that imitate animal movements. What we cultivate in this practice is just immense. Back in the times of Shakyamuni and Lao-zi, all of the truths taught then were just truths within the scope of our Milky Way. Then what do we cultivate in Falun Dafa? We cultivate by following the laws governing evolution in this universe, we take the highest nature of the universe—to be True, Good, and Endure—as the standard to guide our cultivation. What we cultivate is something so huge, it’s the same as cultivating a universe."

While this is inspirational, it doesn't actually say anything. The "laws governing evolution" ... the ones that describe how civilizations work or how planetary systems evolve are many and complex and I don't think that their practice involves running into lots of other people to see if you can smash together and form One Big People (this, however, is how planets evolve.)

Also, the way Cultivation ways have been passed down throughout the ages haven't always been in written form. Many have been passed down in a lineage type way through world of mouth.

But it changed and evolved over time, and it varies from area to area... and there's evidence for it. There isn't any evidence for this practice (unless they're trying to co-opt Lao Tzu) before 1990 and there's no evidence of this practice (the images, the artifacts) in a pre-literate time.

Or do you know of some things that I haven't considered? Something that proves what the book is saying?

originally posted by: Byrd

Now... understand that I'm a scientist and an anthropologist (study humans and how they interact.) So my question is - besides the statement in this book, what evidence is there that this practice existed and saved people on a large scale?


Reply To Byrd:

There is a belief in buddhism that when a certain 'Udumbara' flower begins to blossom a great enlightened being will come to the human world to save people. You can read more about this here:

en.minghui.org...

Falun Dafa translated into english is ' Law Wheel Great Way'. Now what's interesting is that Buddha Shakyamuni spoke about the 'Law Wheel King'. Master Li Hongzhi spoke about this in one of his Buddha Law lectures:

“In history, Buddha Shakyamuni did mention the Falun Holy King. Buddha Shakyamuni mentioned things about the Law Wheel and the Falun Holy King many times before. When people later on tried to recall those things Buddha Shakyamuni said, they could no longer fully express them. So people later on couldn’t understand the original meaning of what Buddha Shakyamuni said, which caused misinterpretations. Then, things like “silver wheel,” “iron wheel,” “bronze wheel,” etc. came about, which were all made up by people afterwards.

And they talked about Buddha Shakyamuni turning the Law Wheel and so on. With regard to that, Buddha Shakyamuni was not at all talking about turning the Law Wheel himself. Buddha Shakyamuni was able to predict the future, and he saw and knew that such a thing would happen in the future.”

and also:

“When Shakyamuni taught the Fa, he talked about a "Holy Law-Wheel King," otherwise known as the "Holy King Who Turns the Wheel." The name Holy King Who Turns the Wheel has been used more often in the human world, whereas Holy Law-Wheel King is the title used in the heavens.

Buddha Shakyamuni once said that the Holy Law-Wheel King is the most omnipotent and powerful Tathagata in the universe. A Tathagata Buddha is a King of Law. The king of a Buddha's paradise is a Tathagata. We call it "Tathagata" based on ideas in cultivation and enlightenment. "Tathagata" means that the Buddha has come with the truth and the power to do what he wants.

So the world's people call Kings of Law "Tathagatas," which is another correct way to understand it, since they [the Tathagatas] grasp the truths at that level, and among all of the beings in their respective domains they are the highest and grasp the highest truths of those levels.

That's why they are Kings of Law, that is, kings of the beings at a given level or of that group of beings. There are many Kings of Law. Of course, to humans there are countless beings who are Tathagatas, one of whom is the Holy Law-Wheel King. Why did Buddha Shakyamuni name specifically the Holy Law-Wheel King?

It was because the Holy Law-Wheel King was going to descend to the human world to teach the Fa and save people. Of course, you might have heard that Buddha Shakyamuni also said that Maitreya would descend to the human world and save people. Actually, "Maitreya" is a name, and "Holy King Who Turns the Wheel" is a title--the title of a king--which, if it's put in human terms, is, well, a job title.”



originally posted by: Byrd

While this is inspirational, it doesn't actually say anything. The "laws governing evolution" ... the ones that describe how civilizations work or how planetary systems evolve are many and complex and I don't think that their practice involves running into lots of other people to see if you can smash together and form One Big People (this, however, is how planets evolve.)


Reply To Byrd:

That's just a small excerpt from Zhuan Falun. However the book does goes on to expound on this point and goes go into great depth about what this practice is, the processes and changes that occur within ones body and the various manifestations that arise while one is in the process of Cultivating. I highly recommend giving it a read.



originally posted by: Byrd

But it changed and evolved over time, and it varies from area to area... and there's evidence for it. There isn't any evidence for this practice (unless they're trying to co-opt Lao Tzu) before 1990 and there's no evidence of this practice (the images, the artifacts) in a pre-literate time.

Or do you know of some things that I haven't considered? Something that proves what the book is saying?

Reply To Byrd:

There are actually many Cultivation ways that the secular world doesn't know about and that are passed down in secret such as the Qimen practices and there are many others. Falun Dafa was one such system but it has recently been given to the public at large. This is talked about in Zhuan Falun:

"The Law in Buddhism is only a small part of the Buddha Law. There are a lot of other profound Great Law practices, and every level has a different Law. Shakyamuni said that there are 84,000 cultivation disciplines. And how many disciplines are there in Buddhism? It has just a few, like the Tendai sect, Huayan sect, Zen sect, Pure Land, and the Esoteric sect. They don’t even add up to a fraction of it! So it can’t cover the entire Buddha Law, it’s just a small part of Buddha Law. Our Falun Dafa is also one of the 84,000 disciplines, but it’s never been related to Buddhism, from the original Buddhism right on up to the one in the Age of the Law’s End. And it doesn’t have anything to do with today’s religions."

originally posted by: LitriumGem
originally posted by: Byrd

Now... understand that I'm a scientist and an anthropologist (study humans and how they interact.) So my question is - besides the statement in this book, what evidence is there that this practice existed and saved people on a large scale?


Reply To Byrd:

There is a beleif in buddhism that when a certain 'Udumbara' flower begins to blossom a great enlightened being will come to the human world to save people. You can read more about this here:

en.minghui.org...

But this doesn't prove that people knew this back in the stone age.

“In history, Buddha Shakyamuni did mention the Falun Holy King. Buddha Shakyamuni mentioned things about the Law Wheel and the Falun Holy King many times before. When people later on tried to recall those things Buddha Shakyamuni said, they could no longer fully express them. So people later on couldn’t understand the original meaning of what Buddha Shakyamuni said, which caused misinterpretations. Then, things like “silver wheel,” “iron wheel,” “bronze wheel,” etc. came about, which were all made up by people afterwards.

This is the fallacy of "this was true in ancient times but nobody understood it (including many brilliant scholars and contemporaries of this person) until *I* showed up to tell them what was right."

“When Shakyamuni taught the Fa, he talked about a "Holy Law-Wheel King," otherwise known as the "Holy King Who Turns the Wheel." The name Holy King Who Turns the Wheel has been used more often in the human world, whereas Holy Law-Wheel King is the title used in the heavens.

Buddha Shakyamuni once said that the Holy Law-Wheel King is the most omnipotent and powerful Tathagata in the universe. A Tathagata Buddha is a King of Law. The king of a Buddha's paradise is a Tathagata. We call it "Tathagata" based on ideas in cultivation and enlightenment. "Tathagata" means that the Buddha has come with the truth and the power to do what he wants.

Li indeed sets himself up to be the sole authority on religion and the Ultimate Truth... but he still hasn't provided any evidence for this being a practice that goes back to the Stone Age.

originally posted by: Byrd

While this is inspirational, it doesn't actually say anything. The "laws governing evolution" ... the ones that describe how civilizations work or how planetary systems evolve are many and complex and I don't think that their practice involves running into lots of other people to see if you can smash together and form One Big People (this, however, is how planets evolve.)


Reply To Byrd:

That's just a small excerpt from Zhuan Falun. However the book does goes on to expound on this point and goes go into great depth about what this practice is, the processes and changes that occur within ones body and the various manifestations that arise while one is in the process of Cultivating. I highly recommend giving it a read.

This didn't answer my question, though. I am asking "what physical evidence is there that this is true"? You have made the astonishing claim of a great age for this belief/practice, and when I ask what evidence your faith has that this is true and not something that Li made up in the 1990's (as it appears from various records), you have not provided any physical evidence (such as verifiably old texts on a temple wall.

a reply to: Egoismyname

By the way, the similarity with Blavatsky is laughably extreme.

I did end that statement with an exclamation mark...indicating humour!

Regards midicon

a reply to: LitriumGem

Khadro-la, the Rangjung Neljorma can see the spirit behind the man, So there is absolutely no reason to accept anyone as Maitreya until it can be confirmed by her. Khadro-la is humble beyond belief, totally poor, but is happier than any millionaire, Whereas Li Hongzhi is a millionaire that drives a BMW.

A difference between night and day.

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originally posted by: Byrd

But this doesn't prove that people knew this back in the stone age.

Reply:

Well since it was passed down in secret for millenia from Master to pupil ofcourse it will be very hard to find records of it's existence.

Saying this however, many things go back to prehistoric times that people are unaware of. It is mentioned in Zhuan Falun that the Tai-ji symbol, the Hetu and Luoshu diagrams and the Book of Changes have all been passed down from prehistoric times.

The symbol for Falun Dafa is called a 'Law Wheel'. It consists of a central swastika with 4 swastikas and 4 tai-ji symbols positioned around the central swastika.

You can read more about it here:

en.minghui.org...

This swastika is also talked about in Zhuan Falun in great detail:

en.falundafa.org...

The swastika symbol has been found throughout many ancient civilizations throughout the world:

www.ancient-origins.net...

originally posted by: glend

Khadro-la, the Rangjung Neljorma can see the spirit behind the man, So there is absolutely no reason to accept anyone as Maitreya until it can be confirmed by her. Khadro-la is humble beyond belief, totally poor, but is happier than any millionaire, Whereas Li Hongzhi is a millionaire that drives a BMW.

A difference between night and day.


Reply to glend:

That's untrue. In Falun Dafa money is strictly prohibited. It talks about this clearly in Zhuan Falun:


"The first rule is that you can’t charge any money. We don’t give you all those things so that you can get rich and famous, but to save you, to help you cultivate. If you charge money my Law Bodies will take everything back from you, and you won’t belong to our Falun Dafa, so what you spread won’t be our Falun Dafa.

When you pass on the practice you shouldn’t have any thoughts about making a name for yourself, or getting something out of it—you should help them voluntarily. Our students all across the country have been doing it that way, and the Assistants in different regions have set an example. Anybody who wants to learn our practice, you can come and learn it, you just have to want to, and we can take responsibility for you and we won’t charge you a cent."


Furthermore do you have a source for this 'claim' that Master Li Hongzhi is a millionaire and drives a BMW?. An article perhaps? If it's from the Chinese Communist Party you can bet it's propaganda. They have a whole propaganda wing dedicated to undermining and slandering Dafa:

en.minghui.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


Take a read of this. It's the True reason why the CCP is persecuting Falun Dafa so severely:

www.ninecommentaries.com...

a reply to: LitriumGem

From ex member here. But given he sells books at over $45 in australia he is making money regardless what his books say. If it was $5 to cover printing cost ok, but not $45. So he must be reaping huge profits if he has millions of followers. DO you know where that money is going?