Grandfather was at the Famous Tinian Island in WW2

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Here some Little History of my Maternal Grandfather
I never Knew Him he Died way before I even existed in 1966 of Lung Cancer
I so I began a adventure of Researching about him and his Involvement of World War II
at the Time all I knew was He was a Airplane Mechanic in WW2 , and that all i went by
as my mothers Family first thought he was in the Europe theater , well they were Dead Wrong !!
or he could be reassigned too the Pacific ?? IDK ..

He was in the 72nd and 77th
535th Air Engineering Squadron
The 6th Bomb Group

He was Stationed in the TInian (Mariana Islands ) the same place where the Famous Atomic Bomb was Placed after the
Famed & Tragic The USS Indianapolis Delivered its last Mission ,

USS Indianapolis (CA-35)
en.wikipedia.org...(CA-35)

Secret mission After major repairs and an overhaul, Indianapolis received orders to proceed to Tinian island, carrying parts and the enriched uranium[15] (about half of the world's supply of Uranium-235 at the time) for the atomic bomb Little Boy, which would later be dropped on Hiroshima.[16] Indianapolis departed San Francisco's Hunters Point Naval Shipyard on 16 July 1945, within hours of the Trinity test. Indianapolis set a speed record of ​74 1⁄2 hours[17] with an average speed of 29 kn (54 km/h; 33 mph) from San Francisco to Pearl Harbor, which still stands today. Arriving at Pearl Harbor on 19 July,[18] she raced on unaccompanied,[19] delivering the atomic weapon components to Tinian on 26 July

Here is about Tinian

Tinian Island
www.atomicheritage.org...

Tinian Island was the launching point for the atomic bomb attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. One of three islands in the Northern Marianas, Tinian is less than forty square miles in size and located approximately 1,500 miles south of Tokyo. The round-trip flight from Tinian to Tokyo took B-29s an average of twelve hours. This proximity to Japan is one reason Tinian served as the headquarters of the 509th Composite Group. Tinian, easy to supply by sea and perfect for launching air attacks against Japan, was desired by the U.S. military because of its key strategic importance. The U.S. military referred to Tinian with the codename "Destination."

Battle of Tinian
en.wikipedia.org...

North Field (Tinian)
en.wikipedia.org...(Tinian)

His

6th Operations Group
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My Grand Father ( Sleeves Rolled Up First one Bottom Row ) from left to right First ONE



My Grandfather was in Tinian Island in the Pacific
as a Fighter and Bomber Mechanic and also did Bombing Runs ,
and also was part of the Crew that Fixed Repaired & Balanced Props for the Bomber and Fighters
they called it the Prop Chop!

An example of a prop shop.
Photo from Raymond J. Biedenbach Collection


He was in the 72nd and 77th
535th Air Engineering Squadron
The 6th Bomb Group

( His Grave Stone )
Eugene Elmer Joubert
535th AIR ENGR SQ AAF



( Some History) Interesting Site,, a must See!
( last Picture is my Grandfather working/Testing on a Jap Made Replica of a American Prop)

The 6th Bomb Group
The Organization
philcrowther.com...


My Grandfather ( checking out the Jap Prop while everyone else is standing )

Members of the 72nd ASG Prop Shop inspect a Japanese copy of the Hamilton-Standard propeller.
All agreed that the workmanship was outstanding.

So your saying how do you know its Him in the pic with the Prop!

Well..
a Pic of him Shirtless in the early 1950s


He had a Nice physique , reason being he was also a Pro - Boxer for the ARMY

So Why is this on a Conspiracy site ,

Well after the Battle of Tinian Jap Planes were left on the Island ( Captured )

it was also the Ground Crews Job
is too Inspect and Examine all The Japanese Planes that were Left on the Island.
seeing what made them tick ! and Found out
the Japanese Copied a lot of American Aircraft Parts
Literately Duplicated it Especially Hamilton-Standard
for Their Planes

so in theory We Were Fighting Japanese Aircraft that were Partial Replicas Of Ours!!

a History of My Grandfather I NEVER even KNEW till NOW! Still In Awe!
can you imagine what He saw! the Enola GAY & Bockscar Getting Loaded with the Atomic Bombs Little Boy and Fatman
and taking off! too End the War.. Among the other stuff !!





Here is my other Grandfather my Paternal Grandfather

My other Grandfather was with Patton's 3rd Army
Built Bridges and Fought at Battle of Remagan ( Last bridge too Cross the Rhine )
and He was involved in Liberating 2 Concentration Camps Dachu and Mauthausen
after the War

Here his Story that was in our Local Newspaper ( its better for Him too tell it )
the only thing it didn't have him talking about the Concentration Camps,
at all, maybe too much ( disturbing ) for a News paper


Madrid World War II veteran bridged many gaps during duty
www.watertowndailytimes.com...

Thanks for sharing

Thank's for sharing some cool history
Both my grandfathers were in the RCAF, one flew bombers and the other was a mechanic..wish I knew more.

a reply to: Wolfenz
My grandfather fought in the South Pacific during WW2. After the Bataan death march one of the prisoners begged him for a gun to kill one of the people who were guarding them, but he couldn’t in good conscience give the man a gun.

He always said not giving that man a gun is the only thing he regretted from the war.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Wolfenz
My grandfather fought in the South Pacific during WW2. After the Bataan death march one of the prisoners begged him for a gun to kill one of the people who were guarding them, but he couldn’t in good conscience give the man a gun.

He always said not giving that man a gun is the only thing he regretted from the war.

Interesting , Your Grandfather was on the Japanese Side ?

Not sure if that is what you are saying ..

The Death march is very Haunting , over 500-600 American Soldiers Perished, from the Death march ..

Article where My Grandfather Corporal Eugene Elmer Joubert was Before Robinsons Field GA aparently a 15 day leave before going too Tinian Island too join the 72nd Air Engineer Group of the 6th Bomber Squadron
nyshistoricnewspapers.org...

a reply to: Wolfenz
Cool family history, my father was drafted and trained for the invasion of Japan.... I have his pics/papers

Very cool post, thanks for sharing. I've been to Guam, Saipan and Tinian many times. I've seen the bomb pit in Tinian which was dug out to drop the bomb below ground level for loading on the bomber.

In Guam you can still find patches of the original runway from which the bombers landed in Guam en route from Hawaii, refueled and went to Tinian to pick up their various cargoes and bombs.

originally posted by: SpartanStoic
Very cool post, thanks for sharing. I've been to Guam, Saipan and Tinian many times. I've seen the bomb pit in Tinian which was dug out to drop the bomb below ground level for loading on the bomber.

In Guam you can still find patches of the original runway from which the bombers landed in Guam en route from Hawaii, refueled and went to Tinian to pick up their various cargoes and bombs.

WOW Nice.. got a Boat by chance ? JK I would like too go and see The whole place..

as its interesting my Grandfather was apart of 6th bombing Squadron, North Field , The Base on TINIAN
Sadly My Mother Told me, He told Very Little about The War that he was a mechanic that worked on the Planes.
and Involed with Bombing Runs , I told my Mother and Show the Pic pf him Working on the Japaneses replica of a American Prop ! and she was Like OMG THATS! HIM!! , then a flood of Questions came in, where did you find this , Where was he!! etc.. I explained what I could too Her, and she was Shocked! , as The Family Knew Practically Nothing
other then what he Told... sadly he died of Lung Cancer, when my mother was just 16 ( in 1966 )


thanks for sharing !

So... Here I am trying too Piece together a Timeline
My Grand Father Enlisted in 1942

I recently Found an Article
Eugene E Joubert 15 Days Leave in June 7th 1944 in the States
and he had Visited his Parents

The Battle of Tinian was Jul 24, 1944 – Aug 1, 1944

and He was with with 6th Bomber Group on Tinian
the 535th Air Engineer Group and With the 72n Service Group ( Prop Shop ) in North Filed on Tinian

and there is a 2 year Gap ... He May of Been in the European Theater

the Biggest Question is.. Could he Been in Both ?


all this time I though he was in England as the family thought also something about He was Mentioning a place he was Station at called Sheffield England ... a BASE.. would it Be Possible he was Reassigned too the Pacific ? or he was earlier ??

Well this Man was in Europe and the Pacific His Unit was Preparing for the Invasion of Japan

Marlinton man served in Europe and Pacific in WWII
pocahontastimes.com...

Thanks for sharing!!

My late father served in the Pacific during WW2. Saipan. Guam. The Philippians. Okinawa. ...and Occupied Japan, for about 3 weeks. Army Air Corps/USAAF.

a reply to: Wolfenz

Great story and glad you cared enough to research... I have landed and flown to all the places in the Mariana Islands that had an airstrip and commercial service with the exception Of Iwo Jima.. They are beautiful with some of the best diving in the world... A lot of history and ship wrecks just below the surface to keep one's diving interest occupied for many months.. The guys in the pacific flying off the islands with long distances over water were sharp or they were a causality statistic....IMO

originally posted by: seagull
Thanks for sharing!!

My late father served in the Pacific during WW2. Saipan. Guam. The Philippians. Okinawa. ...and Occupied Japan, for about 3 weeks. Army Air Corps/USAAF.

Thanks , Both Paternal and Maternal Grandfathers Served In World War 2

I knew Pretty Much about My Paternal Grandfather , as he was Open about it , except for The Concentration Camps He Helped Liberated Dachu and Mauthausen , he just talked about things here and there , and you u would have too put the Pieces together .

But I did not know anything about My Maternal Grandfather ,
nor his involvement in world war 2 other then he was a Aircraft Mechanic ,
Amazing what you can find through the Internet..

So I asked my mother about the Gap from the European too the Pacific

She told me He Shattered his Shin Bone and they had too place a steel Plate in his Leg
During the war in a Jeep Accident , and went back in service,

So just maybe he went back too the States , had the steel plate Placed in a Month too Heal,
So just Maybe he was Reassigned from that .... a Good Reason for a Transfer,

and it Makes Sense ...

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Wolfenz

Great story and glad you cared enough to research... I have landed and flown to all the places in the Mariana Islands that had an airstrip and commercial service with the exception Of Iwo Jima.. They are beautiful with some of the best diving in the world... A lot of history and ship wrecks just below the surface to keep one's diving interest occupied for many months.. The guys in the pacific flying off the islands with long distances over water were sharp or they were a causality statistic....IMO

right.. being a History Buff as i am, and Fascinated
Finding about more about My Grandfather the Deeper of the Digging
on the Web, and finding more as i go.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Wolfenz

Great story and glad you cared enough to research... I have landed and flown to all the places in the Mariana Islands that had an airstrip and commercial service with the exception Of Iwo Jima.. They are beautiful with some of the best diving in the world... A lot of history and ship wrecks just below the surface to keep one's diving interest occupied for many months.. The guys in the pacific flying off the islands with long distances over water were sharp or they were a causality statistic....IMO

right.. being a History Buff as i am, and Fascinated
Finding about more about My Grandfather the Deeper of the Digging
on the Web, and finding more as i go.

a reply to: Wolfenz

Very very cool.

Both my grandfathers had very active roles in WW2. The thing is, no one in the family, apart from their wives, had any real details about it. One sank german u-boats, the other was a commando. When I was really young I used to ask questions about it but they never really said anything. Just that they 'were in the army'.

And this is something very telling and, in my opinion, very inspiring about that generation -- they were incredibly humble about their lives in that period and that war. They never bragged about it, rarely spoke of it.

I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for the people who serve and have served. Especially in the great wars. I keep learning new and incredible things about my family history of what they did.

I wish I were even a quarter as brave as they were....

this is his, 6th Bomb Squadron Call Emblem

a Pirate



Here is a Web Page that is Dedicated too the 6th Bomber Group

The 6th Bomb Group
philcrowther.com...

This webpage is dedicated to the men of the 6th Bomb Group and to those who supported them in the field and at home. The Group was based on the island of Tinian during WWII and participated in the war effort against Japan during 1944-45. The Group, was part of the 313th Bomb Wing, 20th Air Force. Along with other groups based on Tinian, Saipan and Guam, they were responsible for the bombing campaign that finally brought an end to the war. Although many lives were lost - on both sides - these efforts saved the millions of lives that would have been lost in an invasion of the mainland.

Amazing Footage of the Atomic Bomb on Tinian Island


Tinian, Little Boy, and Fat Man

www.youtube.com...

OMG!!


Seeing my Grand father was involved with the Prop Chop

Him Working on the Jap Made replica of an American Prop at the Prop Chop


So I decided to do some ReSearch about his Boss Tech Sgt. Ellis Reece Bethany,
( from the Pic Above Bethany Would be tall guy in the way Back
and this is what I have Found! ( Incredible! )

( PLEASE READ )

A Letter for A Daughter of World War II

I am the daughter of deceased Army Air Corps Tech Sgt. Ellis Reece Bethany, who served in WW II, ending his wartime experience on Tinian Island in charge of the Propeller Shop. The day before he died in Tidewell Hospice House, Palmetto, FL, the Veteran's Group from Hospice House honored him with a ceremony. At the end of the ceremony, they gave him an opportunity to speak. He recounted a story I had never heard about his experience, and the gathering around his bed listened with respect. The next evening, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. Our family members have always been in awe of my father's service, and as a result, my 2 brothers, 3 of their children, 2 of my children, and 1 of my grandchildren have served in the Navy and/or Army. One of my sons served in Afghanistan and his daughter spent 10 months in Iraq. All are humbled by the dedication and comittment of our WW II veterans. My dad is in the khaki shirt on the back row, 2nd from the left. At the time, he was 24 years old. They were all so youn My dad is in the khaki shirt on the back row, 2nd from the left. At the time, he was 24 years old. They were all so young to be having such big responsibilities of ending a World War on their shoulders. During the last year of the war, my dad was stationed on Tinian and in charge of the Propeller Shop. He was awarded a Bronze Star for that service because ALL of the B-29s that pounded Japan during the final months of the war were able to go and return safely to Tinian and Saipan as a result of the repair work done in that Shop. This included the Enola Gay and Bockscar. Enola Gay's mission to Hiroshima was successfully completed as planned, and the plane safely returned to Tinian, but Bockscar had little fuel left after its mission to Nagasaki on landing at Okinawa because of tactical mistakes. My father had been responsible for alerting Col. Tibbets as to how to synchronize the propellers to conserve fuel for his trip. The weight of the atomic bombs would have made a safe return trip impossible without this modification. Another little known fact is that the planes and crews for the mission to drop the 1st Atomic Bomb were secreted away from the B-29s flying regular missions, on the far side of Tinian, and unknown to the other crews. Col. Tibbets came to see my father to get the information under top secret conditions. - Respectfully written and submitted by E. Diane Lapointe

www.daughtersofww2.org...

Tech Sgt. Ellis Reece Bethany
==================================================================
Tech Sgt. Ellis Reece Bethany
is in the khaki shirt on the back row, 2nd from the left.

My Grand Father SGT Eugene E Joubert
is on the Bottom 1st from the Left ( Sleeves Rolled up to Biceps )


Again Amazing what you find on the Internet!

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: Wolfenz

Very very cool.

Both my grandfathers had very active roles in WW2. The thing is, no one in the family, apart from their wives, had any real details about it. One sank german u-boats, the other was a commando. When I was really young I used to ask questions about it but they never really said anything. Just that they 'were in the army'.

And this is something very telling and, in my opinion, very inspiring about that generation -- they were incredibly humble about their lives in that period and that war. They never bragged about it, rarely spoke of it.

I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for the people who serve and have served. Especially in the great wars. I keep learning new and incredible things about my family history of what they did.

I wish I were even a quarter as brave as they were....

Unfortunately much of my Maternal Grandfathers History was Lost , He didnt Speak about what happend and what he did in WW2 , and he Died at the age of 46 ( lung Cancer ) , had children late in his life almost 30 when his first born was Born ( my mother ) He did not speak about it too his wife nor his Sons or Daughters, though they were very young and wouldn't understand anyways, my mother was 16 when he died.. So that would be the Big Part of the Reason , I would Assume , He did not get a chance too tell his children when they got older, I do know My Uncle Has all his Materials His Aircraft Mechanic Manual , and medals, ... I just May have too look and see what he has ..

a reply to: Wolfenz

It's genuinely incredible and humbling to learn of what your ancestors did in regards to serving in war.

As I mentioned, I never had a clue and they never ever let on about it. I can only assume, unlike what Hollywood often portrays, it was awful and in many cases spirit destroying. No doubt the mental wounds never heal and they carried them around for the rest of their lives.

And I know they did the best they could to save me from know what that burden was like. Just as yours and everyone else's did.

I love learning about this type of history - the sort where your lineage had such an impact and you yourself were never away of it. Very inspiring.