Trump administration wants Arab allies to send troops to Syria to replace US forces

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: feldercarb

One other aspect not mentioned. It would cool off a U.S.- Russian confrontation. It would change it to a Russian vs multiple Arab nations. Instead of two 'interloping nations' it becomes one interloping nation vs locals....

Raeding Israeli and Iranian press right now it looks getting on for a serious confrontation or incident is unavoidable as both sides face off. Not sure how much Arab forces will have to do with this in any futre incident but the way Israel is taking out Iranian sites in Syria right now surely an Iranian bite back will happen whether on the field or through one of its terror proxies.................. Then we might see Israel up its involvement a few notches and more

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Syria isnt Iraq how it was when Obama pulled out completely.

Might want to do a fact check on that....

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: feldercarb

One other aspect not mentioned. It would cool off a U.S.- Russian confrontation. It would change it to a Russian vs multiple Arab nations. Instead of two 'interloping nations' it becomes one interloping nation vs locals....

Why not just leave Syria alone? The Syrian government and Russia can work together to rebuild the country and expel unwanted foreign nationals. What gives Trump the right to suggest that others invade Syria too? The USA was never supposed to be there in the first place. No shame at all from an 'exceptional' nation regards the destruction and death that it has wrought in yet another country.
It would suit the US well to have it's allies in the region to further tie up and drain Russia's military and economic resources. The US won't release it's foothold in Syria without others to take it's place. We all know who they are...

I have no fear of a direct confrontation between the US and Russia because that's a war the US knows it can't win.

Once ISIS is done, then I'd agree. Get out.

What gives Trump the right? Trump didn't get the U.S. involved in Syria.Obama did. Please don't insult with 'what gives the right' pap. Rights are taken, not given. What give you the right to question the U.S.'s 'right'? Goes nowhere. A waste of time. What give Syrias the right to allow Iranian troops and missiles to be directed at Israel? Waste of time.

So the U.S. leaves. We are in accord on that one. You complain that other troops from other nations would put pressure on poor Russia's economy? Good! Bleed it dry. With the bleeding from troops still in Georgia, Crimea and the Ukraine, maybe Russia takes it troop home, too.

Or would that be a bad thing.

Yea place troops from country's that are enemy's from Syria in Syria. I guess when Syria (and or Russia) attacks them the US got a good reason to start some war again, also perhaps against Iran?

Iran is still on the axis of evil list.. and isn't leveled/destroyed yet...

originally posted by: Pluginn
Iran is still on the axis of evil list.. and isn't leveled/destroyed yet...

That's going to change very soon. Expect Iriqification any day now. You don't get on the wrong side of Israel and the USA and get away with it long term.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I am no fan of Russia. I will say though that I understand it's actions in Crimea and Syria as both of those are vital to their national interests. Vital in a real sense as opposed to the West's reasons for it's involvement.

I am not complaining, just calling it as it is. The US doesn't want Syria to recover under Assad, regime change was always on the cards. The chemical weapons attack, along with the faux pas outrage is now an excuse for not leaving until allies in the region are firmly ensconced in some fashion.

You say, good, bleed Russia dry, I would rather have peace with Russia.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: feldercarb

One other aspect not mentioned. It would cool off a U.S.- Russian confrontation. It would change it to a Russian vs multiple Arab nations. Instead of two 'interloping nations' it becomes one interloping nation vs locals....

Raeding Israeli and Iranian press right now it looks getting on for a serious confrontation or incident is unavoidable as both sides face off. Not sure how much Arab forces will have to do with this in any futre incident but the way Israel is taking out Iranian sites in Syria right now surely an Iranian bite back will happen whether on the field or through one of its terror proxies.................. Then we might see Israel up its involvement a few notches and more

Good point. If Israel can handle Iran instead of the U.S., I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it....

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: nwtrucker

I am no fan of Russia. I will say though that I understand it's actions in Crimea and Syria as both of those are vital to their national interests. Vital in a real sense as opposed to the West's reasons for it's involvement.

I am not complaining, just calling it as it is. The US doesn't want Syria to recover under Assad, regime change was always on the cards. The chemical weapons attack, along with the faux pas outrage is now an excuse for not leaving until allies in the region are firmly ensconced in some fashion.

You say, good, bleed Russia dry, I would rather have peace with Russia.

I would like peace with Russia , as well. I do have a little trouble with your apparent 'mulligan' to Russia citing it's 'national interests' in Crimea and Georgia.

I do not. An uncontested Russian military control of Syria give that 'national interest' the ability to control not only oil and gas exports to Europe, it also controls the well-head prices. One well worded diatribe by Putin threatening that supply - not doing, just threatening that supply- would send oil futures soaring.

Which is a critical 'National interest' of Russia. For the U.S. to leave...without hue and cry from the likes of France and the U.K.-and any other European nation still addicted to ME or Russian oil- requires some form of counter balance to Russia in the ME..

This thread is a possible solution to that aspect.

a reply to: nwtrucker

The national interest I was referring to was the naval base in Tartus....same with Sevastopol. The US would go bananas if it was in that situation. Russian military control of Syria has been in response to the proxy war promulgated by the West.
If we are honest we can see our own faults and condemn those, before condemning others.
Now you mention, oil prices, as if that should be any sort of justification for the horror we in the West unleashed on Syria. I can't address that sort of mind set.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: nwtrucker

The national interest I was referring to was the naval base in Tartus....same with Sevastopol. The US would go bananas if it was in that situation. Russian military control of Syria has been in response to the proxy war promulgated by the West.
If we are honest we can see our own faults and condemn those, before condemning others.
Now you mention, oil prices, as if that should be any sort of justification for the horror we in the West unleashed on Syria. I can't address that sort of mind set.

Horror? What horror? Far less horror than what they've been going through for a number of years now. To wit the refugee situation.

If you think Russia's motivation is some noble protection of Syria, just ask the people of Georgia, Crimea and the Ukraine. That level of 'mind set' is equally unworthy, IMO.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I wonder how Putin would respond to the option of we'll leave Syria, if you leave Syria?

a reply to: nwtrucker

I don't think Russia would nobly protect anyone lol. I mentioned Tartus and should have, I suppose mentioned that they have been operating at the behest of the Syrian government. The US and it's allies had no mandate (in any form) to be involved in anything regards Syria but have been supplying rebel forces (and terrorists) with weapons, ammunition and tactical advice...not to mention the odd air strike.

The truth is that Russia was already based in Syria, have been for a long time. The US, and by extension, the West, want to replace Assad using any means they can. I can see the reasoning but can't condone the cost. It's criminal and those responsible should be held to account.

I don't blame Trump for any of those thousands of deaths that happened before he came to power. I don't care so much about the most recent strike on Syria. It did after all cause minimal damage and was probably no more than a statement of sorts. That schematic can now be used as a pretext for who knows what. Clever really!

I don't like Assad, I can still remember his smirking face when Gaddafi addressed and warned the Arab nations.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I wonder how Putin would respond to the option of we'll leave Syria, if you leave Syria?

Vey good question NWT. Maybe Putin will want to stay as if the two super powers pull out he knows nothing can stop a Iran Israeli confrontation and all the fall out from that................ At least Russia and USA can play policeman of sorts over there. Israel is ripping at the leash along with Saudi's to take out Iran and its bases / influence from the arab world. Interesting times we live

a reply to: feldercarb

i'm not a fan of the current president, but i like this idea.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Why would Putin leave? The Russians have had a base there since the seventies. They are supporting the Syrian government against an invasion from hostile forces.

a reply to: nwtrucker

The thing that just hits me is that the US and her followers (UK, and some EU country's), supported rebels/terrorist first in Libya (that country has gone to hell since then) and tons of refugees of course and in Syria later!. And with Iraq before (destroyed and tons of refugees in Europe).
Also that bush said anyone who support or harbour terrorist is the enemy! but after they just supported terrorist for overthrowing or trying Qaddafi and Assad later (of course + all the propaganda for justifying such actions!). What nice morals (none!).

And now making Russia an enemy, with allot again propaganda and sanctions and then some more sanctions, which is just dangerous.
What some country's like SA do isn't bad and is hardly in the media, they are with us! same with Israel, on our side then it's good!
If you can't see how bad things went ever since the USA took actions after 9-11 and everything that happened and still is happening: CHAOS, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, DISPLACED PEOPLE (MILLIONS), let alone wounded, just horror and suffering... and taking no guild and taking another course even.. how evil can you become? no words... and where does it end? some Nuclear war? Who knows?
Russia isn't a match against the US and her followers, US spends about 700 billion/year, EU about 170 billion? Russia like 70 billion? They only have Nuclear weapons for making a real difference, how far they are willing to go for making Russia a bear with no space moving so to speak? And now China is siding with Russia, no surprise with the latest US gov. actions.
I guess it would be better for Russia when they would just become another lap dog from the US like many EU country's for sleeping better, but yea then again that's not how Russia works I think.

The US is broke! and that's just dangerous! no surprise when morals are thrown away and strange stuff happening. They try everything maintaining power and control, but it's just chaos and with chaos you don't really know where it may end.

a reply to: midicon

Short of outright war, the U.S. will leave the Syria, hopefully Afghanistan and finally the rest. Iran is a different story.

The winds of change are blowing steadily and inevitably. China and the Saudis are building a naval base on the north coast of Africa which would contest U.S.-or anyone else entering from that point. The U.K.'s control of Gibraltar is up in the air due to leaving the EU. Russia ends up with control of the Med., itself, via missile systems that range the length and breadth of the region based in Syria.Iran and China from that route.

One year? Five years? Ten? Who knows? It is coming, though. The U.S. will be done in the ME due to the above and sheer numerical superiority that the up and comers will be able to deploy. Too many players with too many agendas in the ME. Add in the Euros and this will blow up in our faces. Hopefully after the U.S. is out of there.

The planners work in the future, not just today's issues.

Russia is done. Finished. Due to money, just like what happened to the Soviet Union...Unless, they do more than just sit in Syria when the U.S. leaves. Drive up the insurance prices for oil shipments. Drive up futures and well head prices. There's no other financial 'out' for them that I can see. Stay as they are now? It's just a matter of time. That's where Russia's 'national interest' lies, survival.

Syria is nothing. Regime change produces nothing. No matter the NWO. If Trump or anyone else really wanted Assad gone, he'd be gone. Too easy. Too many players to blame it on other than the actual perps. Yet he's still there....Hello??

I want the U.S. out of there. The U.S. leaving also assures a major blow-up in the region by the remaining players.

I no longer give a rat's rear-end, either. To hell with the ME AND Europe. Tell me which one has had more wars or atrocities, I'd say Europe....by far.

originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker

The thing that just hits me is that the US and her followers (UK, and some EU country's), supported rebels/terrorist first in Libya (that country has gone to hell since then) and tons of refugees of course and in Syria later!. And with Iraq before (destroyed and tons of refugees in Europe).
Also that bush said anyone who support or harbour terrorist is the enemy! but after they just supported terrorist for overthrowing or trying Qaddafi and Assad later (of course + all the propaganda for justifying such actions!). What nice morals (none!).

And now making Russia an enemy, with allot again propaganda and sanctions and then some more sanctions, which is just dangerous.
What some country's like SA do isn't bad and is hardly in the media, they are with us! same with Israel, on our side then it's good!
If you can't see how bad things went ever since the USA took actions after 9-11 and everything that happened and still is happening: CHAOS, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, DISPLACED PEOPLE (MILLIONS), let alone wounded, just horror and suffering... and taking no guild and taking another course even.. how evil can you become? no words... and where does it end? some Nuclear war? Who knows?
Russia isn't a match against the US and her followers, US spends about 700 billion/year, EU about 170 billion? Russia like 70 billion? They only have Nuclear weapons for making a real difference, how far they are willing to go for making Russia a bear with no space moving so to speak? And now China is siding with Russia, no surprise with the latest US gov. actions.
I guess it would be better for Russia when they would just become another lap dog from the US like many EU country's for sleeping better, but yea then again that's not how Russia works I think.

The US is broke! and that's just dangerous! no surprise when morals are thrown away and strange stuff happening. They try everything maintaining power and control, but it's just chaos and with chaos you don't really know where it may end.

I can't be bothered with the goings on prior to Trump and nor will it I buy it as some reason to change the course that Trump has set. Libya was a French and U.K., not a U.S. run operation. Obama was running the show and his support of the brotherhood is well known. Obama gave lip-service support to the move on Libya via tanker service and EW support. That's it.

I also don't care one whit about what transpired in Iraq, either. Where I sit on all this is in my last post. The U.S. will leave. Preferably, sooner rather than later. China, Europe and for a short time, Russia will be the outside players.

Without the U.S., the remaining player will cause this to blow-up. Period.

As long as the U.S. is out of there, I couldn't care less, either.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I wonder how Putin would respond to the option of we'll leave Syria, if you leave Syria?

Vey good question NWT. Maybe Putin will want to stay as if the two super powers pull out he knows nothing can stop a Iran Israeli confrontation and all the fall out from that................ At least Russia and USA can play policeman of sorts over there. Israel is ripping at the leash along with Saudi's to take out Iran and its bases / influence from the arab world. Interesting times we live

Russia can't stop an Israeli-Iranian show down, whatsoever. Not even sure they care, either. It would drive up Russian oil prices....

a reply to: nwtrucker

Bush, Obama and now Trump, it doesn't matter! the same deal! just with different slogans, they are on the same boat! Sadly, I thought maybe Trump was better, just that recent attack on Syria, how much did that cost, a few hundred million (&what result??), could have gone to that wall.. or just perhaps better with countless of homeless people in the US.

Of course Trump way better then Clinton, but what a choice, it's bad and worse. I guess Trump is narcissistic and Hillary a psychopath. I take the 1st.

Right.. Libya not a US run operation?
just some random link:
foreignpolicy.com...