Truth and Reconciliation in America

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: seeker1963
You said it in a manner that would most likely BAN you from EVER speaking on college campus!

My children are homeschooled, so they'll spread the good word themselves when they reach their college years.

You ought to see if any of them might be interested in blacksmithing! I have been wanting to buy a two handed quality broad sword and the price for ones that are absolute garbage in quality is outrageous!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I can tell you for a fact that the kids in my well-to-do highschool committed crimes. There were no police around to search them and find drugs, etc. So I can say from my experience, disproportionately enforced.

The general vibe I'm getting is downplaying murder when done by government while condemnng poor youth criminals (whatever the crime may be). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Slavery, claiming of spoils (i.e. land) following conflict, those with the ability to conquer actively conquering... these weren't sins of the past, they were standard operating procedure for the world with thousands of years of precedent behind them.

then

As far as crime goes, is it disproportionately punished, or disproportionately committed? If the latter plays a role, perhaps not committing crimes would reach the same desired ends only with a flair of personal responsibility and drive, ya?

dp

a reply to: DBCowboy

I am ALL for it! I'd really, truthfully like to hear where my ideas lean more to political/ideological realms than straight facts.

I am all for the facts, the good (which is why I included my own pride for my country in the OP) the bad and the ugly!

a reply to: seeker1963

I am probably more libertarian than anything else these days.

I would prefer NOT to be taxed at all but since we are, would like to see the government held a bit more accountabe for where the money is going.

Thanks for the reply

a reply to: zosimov

You sound like more like an anti TPTB leftist though the ones in LA lean toward Communism, Anarchism, or Social Democracy.

They are not in favor of restoring the Republic because they see it as inherently racist.

Perhaps I should make a thread about what do the anti TPTB leftists believed in one day.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: burdman30ott6

It is foolish to assume we can just "move on" from genocide and leave it unacknowledged. It is downright cruel to continue the abuse by disproportionately punishing crime in poor black neighborhoods (for example) throwing tax money into prisons rather than education.

Ok, you making at least two assumptions here.

1. That crime occurs at the same rate across all neighborhoods, but mysteriously gets recognized and punished more in black ones. Can you actually prove that, not that there are more blacks in prison than whites, but that blacks and whites commit crime at exactly the same rate, but that white crime is completely ignored?

2. That we spend way more money on prisons than on education. We spend the most money on education of any industrialized, developed nation and realize some of the worst results. The state of Kansas spends nearly half its annual budget on education, so it *cannot* be spending more on prisons by simple reason of math.

Perhaps the overall picture is more complicated than you are being told and has less to do with what a bunch of people did so long ago than you think.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

I see a LOT of good and foresight from our founding fathers. I see a lot of good here!
I am all for maintaining our Bill of Rights and am still amazed by its wisdom.
BUT I am so grieved by the current state, how far we still need to go (which is positive, why not strive for improvement?)

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: seeker1963

So you see no problem in our current situation (social climate)? Or the only problem you see is "liberalism"?

I have just as much a right to speak my mind and have the issues I brought up addressed as you do. Any specific problem with the points I made in my OP?

Okay, you've voiced your opinion.

The majority of Americans disagree with your position.

I'm not going to feel guilty about something that happened before I was born that I had nothing to do with.

Native Americans were warring and slaughtering each other long before our ancestors arrived.

Africans were doing the same and selling each other into slavery before America was even thought of.

Take your self loathing elsewhere.

a reply to: ketsuko

I will be the first to admit it is complicated!

But does that mean I ought to ignore it?

Most countries have a history filled with terrible deeds. Why should anyone feel any guilt for things that happened long before they were born?

a reply to: watchitburn

My thread, if you don't like it, you don't have to join!



Please re-read the paragraph about the pride I have for my family and country if you want to honestly represent my ideas.

originally posted by: watchitburn
I'm not going to feel guilty about something that happened before I was born that I had nothing to do with.

I don't think the Original Poster is saying to feel guilty about any of it, only that we need to be cognizant that it occured.

a reply to: zosimov

And did you know for a fact that under Obama a new policy was put in place to ignore things done by kids in schools that would have ordinarily gotten them into the law enforcement system in favor of cutting the school-to-prison pipeline?

At least 50 major school districts implemented this plan. It ignores law enforcement incidents in favor of other types of discipline because they didn't want to continue racializing discipline. In other words, those things you know have been ignored might have been ignored to do the very thing you say you want.

School districts that can show a lowering of their discipline numbers are rewarded with government money. It's lucrative to ignore the problems.

We all got to see the results in Parkland.

a reply to: ketsuko

It was a terrible policy! What do you want me to say about it?

My take is more of an anti-government (at least the government as it pertains to the above race issues) than Dem/Repub or black/native/white.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: starwarsisreal

I see a LOT of good and foresight from our founding fathers. I see a lot of good here!
I am all for maintaining our Bill of Rights and am still amazed by its wisdom.
BUT I am so grieved by the current state, how far we still need to go (which is positive, why not strive for improvement?)

Instead of trying to change what our founders intended then, why don't we focus on all the BS and PC nonsense that has been promoted to divide us as a country and focus on changing that and our corrupt government who feed off of us being divided?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: watchitburn
I'm not going to feel guilty about something that happened before I was born that I had nothing to do with.

I don't think the Original Poster is saying to feel guilty about any of it, only that we need to be cognizant that it occured.

Yeah, well, we're all more than cognizant of it. It's all they ever teach about American history anymore.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: ketsuko

It was a terrible policy! What do you want me to say about it?

Yes, it was, but it's how they solved the problem of getting too many kids from the wrong neighborhoods into the prison system.

It didn't actually fix anything and only made it all worse, but what did you expect from the government? They're only there to help.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: watchitburn
I'm not going to feel guilty about something that happened before I was born that I had nothing to do with.

I don't think the Original Poster is saying to feel guilty about any of it, only that we need to be cognizant that it occured.

That's asking a lot considering people can't agree on current events

a reply to: ketsuko

Well having the government officially taking responsibility for genocide would relieve the rest of us, the innocent ones, of that general oppressive guilt we are "supposed to feel".