Gulf Stream is the weakest it has been in 1600 years

I saw a documentary a while back on the Great Ocean Conveyor. It was talking about how if too much fresh water entered the ocean through melting ice that it can disrupt the Great Ocean Conveyor. A disruption can create dramatic climate change. Scientists predict extreme weather and flooding if this happens.

A recent report was released that the Gulf Stream (part of the Ocean Conveyor), is the slowest it has been in 1600 years.

Gulf Stream system at its weakest in 1,600 years, study shows

Slow-Motion Ocean: Atlantic’s Circulation Is Weakest in 1,600 Years

Could Climate Change Shut Down the Gulf Stream?

It's been colder and less rainy here in NC. I wonder what the Hurricane season will bring. Wonder if the BP spill is to blame any ? The Mississippi has been really low for a while too.

Art Bell may have been right, global warming leads to ice age!!

mother nature has ways to solve her own problems, although her cures might not be that kind to humanity, but it will restore balance.

Soooo, how old is the dude that measured it the first time?

originally posted by: MteWamp
Soooo, how old is the dude that measured it the first time?

He's at the BlueBird café getting the 'Early bird' special....

a reply to: MteWamp

1600 ! ... give or take 6 months
😎

a reply to: Plotus

The Mississippi has been really high down here in New Orleans for the last 2 months or so.

originally posted by: MteWamp
Soooo, how old is the dude that measured it the first time?

Actually a good question that led me to research deeper. It led me to this fascinating study on climate change from Stanford University.

In Climate of Fear: Why We Shouldn’t Worry about Global Warming, I devote one chapter to changes in the world’s climate over the last 10 to 12 millennia. Part of that material was drawn from the writings of H.H. Lamb, currently Emeritus Professor in the School of Environmental Science and founder of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in England. Recently he published a second edition of his work, Climate History and the Modern World, an updated version of his 1982 study, which includes new findings and treats global warming and other putative environmental issues.

After explaining how climate works, Lamb describes the fluctuations in temperature, rainfall, and storm patterns since the end of the last Ice Age. Throughout history natural cycles, together with such events as volcanic eruptions, oceanic changes, and variations in heating patterns have led to noticeable climate changes. His work details the ways in which he and others have reconstructed the climate over the past 12 thousand years.

Check out the link for even more info regarding 1600 years ago. Life may get more uncomfortable but humanity seems to plug on. Just as the climate has continuously changed over and over again even well before we pesky humans decided to pump more carbon dioxide into the air with our industry and advance tech.

Stanford.edu Fluctuating Climates source

a reply to: nOraKat

Well this could go either way-if the gulf stream remains cool, prepare for a lot of rain and/or flooding, If the water is warm...prepare to high tail it. Cyclonic systems love warm water, and there is a slim margin of error when it comes to determining the severity of tropical storms, a few degrees can make a helluva lot of difference, too cool and you get rain depressions, too warm and it's hightail time.

However the the gulf streams temper tantrums might throw a spanner in the cog, halting the effort to make more reliable predictions.

a reply to: nOraKat

How was fresh water entering into the ocean through melting ice measured 1600 years ago?

a reply to: CynConcepts


I don't know what all the hubbub is about. It's the climate. It changes. That's it's JOB.

Get over it.

Gotta keep those research grants coming in, though. Otherwise those researchers would have to get, like, jobs and stuff...

What a load of total BS. a certain C Columbus set sail in 1492, that's only 600 odd years ago and even he didn't know about the gulf stream or ocean conveyor whatever you want to call it. So how in hell could someone have measurements from 1600 years ago. Come on use your intelligence.
Even today with modern measuring devices they get it wrong. In the late 1990s they said the gulf stream was slowing down and might even go a more southerly route and it was going to plunge the UK into a mini ice age. Meh.

Read this just yeaterday.

Lack of Solar Activity Could Create Food Scarcity by 2023

It discusses the effect of solar activity on earth's climate.

www.agweb.com...

Sunspot activity has been monitored for the last 250 years, and cycles occur every 11 years, according to phys.org. The current cycle began in 2008 and sunspot activity peaked in 2014.

At one end of the 11-year cycle, the sun is relatively quiet, meaning there are few sunspots and flares. The solar max, the other end of the cycle, has an increased number of sunspots and more frequent solar storms.

Sunspots are one factor Shawn Hackett of Hackett Financial Advisors is observing that could play a large role in agriculture over the next five years, and we won’t be experiencing normal weather that we are used to seeing.

“There’s a very consistent solar radiation hits the earth, and it causes a certain amount of weather volatility that’s reasonable and the world can grow plenty of food within the confines,” he told AgDay host Clinton Griffiths.

According to his firm’s research, the sun is less active every 200 years and “all the weather variables get turned upside down.”

He cites fourth quarter drought in Argentina and the U.S. and flooding in France as evidence.

“Things are happening that haven’t happened in a long time,” said Hackett. “It’s just the beginning.”

He says we are entering a 5-year trough, which is where the greatest weather volatility.

“We have data that goes back to the 1600s and 1800s from ice core samples, tree rings, and from actually written testimony of the kind of problems that they had,” said Hackett.

If this pans out, Hackett expects to see a world with localized famines and food scarcity. He says he’s not out to spread gloomy news.

“It’s not going to be pleasant,” said Hackett. “It’s going to be a very difficult time. We’re going to have to come up with new ways of growing food in this more difficult environment.”

originally posted by: dawnstar
Art Bell may have been right, global warming leads to ice age!!

mother nature has ways to solve her own problems, although her cures might not be that kind to humanity, but it will restore balance.

I was watching a show "Life Below Zero" on cable. The people were saying that they had been having problems growing crops and hunting in preparation for the winters. The reason was, "the winters are coming earlier and lasting longer into spring". That with the sun going into one of it longest periods of minimum to no sun spot activity is expected to bring on another Maunder Minimum which will bring on another mini Ice Age starting around 2030.

There was an atmospheric physicist or climatologist, don't recall exactly, that said 2 or 3 years ago that what will indicate whether we will have global warming or another ice age would be the winters coming earlier and lasting longer into spring or not. I like to see data noted by different people unconnected with each other coming to the same conclusions, or at least giving some of the same data unbeknownst to each other. I trust that a little more than the data coming from a colluding source with an agenda.

originally posted by: CharlesT
Read this just yeaterday.

Lack of Solar Activity Could Create Food Scarcity by 2023

It discusses the effect of solar activity on earth's climate.

www.agweb.com...

Sunspot activity has been monitored for the last 250 years, and cycles occur every 11 years, according to phys.org. The current cycle began in 2008 and sunspot activity peaked in 2014.

At one end of the 11-year cycle, the sun is relatively quiet, meaning there are few sunspots and flares. The solar max, the other end of the cycle, has an increased number of sunspots and more frequent solar storms.

Sunspots are one factor Shawn Hackett of Hackett Financial Advisors is observing that could play a large role in agriculture over the next five years, and we won’t be experiencing normal weather that we are used to seeing.

“There’s a very consistent solar radiation hits the earth, and it causes a certain amount of weather volatility that’s reasonable and the world can grow plenty of food within the confines,” he told AgDay host Clinton Griffiths.

According to his firm’s research, the sun is less active every 200 years and “all the weather variables get turned upside down.”

He cites fourth quarter drought in Argentina and the U.S. and flooding in France as evidence.

“Things are happening that haven’t happened in a long time,” said Hackett. “It’s just the beginning.”

He says we are entering a 5-year trough, which is where the greatest weather volatility.

“We have data that goes back to the 1600s and 1800s from ice core samples, tree rings, and from actually written testimony of the kind of problems that they had,” said Hackett.

If this pans out, Hackett expects to see a world with localized famines and food scarcity. He says he’s not out to spread gloomy news.

“It’s not going to be pleasant,” said Hackett. “It’s going to be a very difficult time. We’re going to have to come up with new ways of growing food in this more difficult environment.”

I've been trying to find the time to research this specific info because while listening to the daily ag report on the radio, it briefly mentioned this, the difficult time in food scarcity and figuring ways to grow like amounts of food in the upcoming challenging environment. Thanks for the info. I think in all common sense, some prepping of everyday goods might be in order to avoid the high cost later.

originally posted by: crayzeed
What a load of total BS. a certain C Columbus set sail in 1492, that's only 600 odd years ago and even he didn't know about the gulf stream or ocean conveyor whatever you want to call it. So how in hell could someone have measurements from 1600 years ago. Come on use your intelligence.
Even today with modern measuring devices they get it wrong. In the late 1990s they said the gulf stream was slowing down and might even go a more southerly route and it was going to plunge the UK into a mini ice age. Meh.

Oh come on. It was the aliens that kept measurements. j/k

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Plotus

The Mississippi has been really high down here in New Orleans for the last 2 months or so.

That unusually means there has been wet (Snowy or Rainy) weather up in the Northern parts of the country. And, since we are just now getting out of the winter months, moving into the rainy months, there might be an increase of water levels for most rivers in the south.

Food for thought..... It all rolls down hill.

originally posted by: spirit_horse

originally posted by: crayzeed
What a load of total BS. a certain C Columbus set sail in 1492, that's only 600 odd years ago and even he didn't know about the gulf stream or ocean conveyor whatever you want to call it. So how in hell could someone have measurements from 1600 years ago. Come on use your intelligence.
Even today with modern measuring devices they get it wrong. In the late 1990s they said the gulf stream was slowing down and might even go a more southerly route and it was going to plunge the UK into a mini ice age. Meh.

Oh come on. It was the aliens that kept measurements. j/k

They want us to believe that life didn't exist in the United States before Chris Columbus, whom actually didn't find the U.S. because he landed in the West Indies. But, we will believe what they tell us. LMAO.

I'm going out of a limb and saying there is a library of secret books from 1600+ years ago they are not sharing with us.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nOraKat

How was fresh water entering into the ocean through melting ice measured 1600 years ago?

If one were to read my source link that I had provided above, they would find that ice core samples have allowed scientist to follow the climatic change even further back into time.

Reply to MteWamp: Real and honest Scientists will have no fear of losing their jobs. Understanding the cycles, allows humans to properly prepare for the changes. They will always be needed. There is no need to create doomsday scenarios, that is simply media drama and politics for other reasons.

originally posted by: CharlesT
Read this just yeaterday.

Lack of Solar Activity Could Create Food Scarcity by 2023

It discusses the effect of solar activity on earth's climate.

www.agweb.com...

Sunspot activity has been monitored for the last 250 years, and cycles occur every 11 years, according to phys.org. The current cycle began in 2008 and sunspot activity peaked in 2014.

At one end of the 11-year cycle, the sun is relatively quiet, meaning there are few sunspots and flares. The solar max, the other end of the cycle, has an increased number of sunspots and more frequent solar storms.

Sunspots are one factor Shawn Hackett of Hackett Financial Advisors is observing that could play a large role in agriculture over the next five years, and we won’t be experiencing normal weather that we are used to seeing.

“There’s a very consistent solar radiation hits the earth, and it causes a certain amount of weather volatility that’s reasonable and the world can grow plenty of food within the confines,” he told AgDay host Clinton Griffiths.

According to his firm’s research, the sun is less active every 200 years and “all the weather variables get turned upside down.”

He cites fourth quarter drought in Argentina and the U.S. and flooding in France as evidence.

“Things are happening that haven’t happened in a long time,” said Hackett. “It’s just the beginning.”

He says we are entering a 5-year trough, which is where the greatest weather volatility.

“We have data that goes back to the 1600s and 1800s from ice core samples, tree rings, and from actually written testimony of the kind of problems that they had,” said Hackett.

If this pans out, Hackett expects to see a world with localized famines and food scarcity. He says he’s not out to spread gloomy news.

“It’s not going to be pleasant,” said Hackett. “It’s going to be a very difficult time. We’re going to have to come up with new ways of growing food in this more difficult environment.”

As it say's. It is 11 year cycles. We're near the bottom of one now.

The solar activity will increase again over the next 5-6 years.

It's a cycle.

Ask a radio operator about it. It's known as propagation.en.wikipedia.org...

Radio operators love this phenomenon because it enables them to transmit and receive signals from thousands of miles away.

It's a cycle that will keep being a cycle.