F22 belly landing

Seem that another f22 failed to deploy it gear again!
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originally posted by: Slys13
Seem that another f22 failed to deploy it gear again!
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It did not fail to deploy its landing gear, the landing gear was retracted too early.

Seems like they need a system to avoid the wheels retracting before it is airborne.

Seems strange they have not developed such a system. They have everything but the kitchen sink. Rumor has it that the kitchen sink is indeed on board ... but is classified.

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a reply to: Slys13

I hope that everyone is okay
But if that picture is legit, it looks likes that was a
"solid" landing.
Can't wait to hear more on this.

originally posted by: HomeyKXTA
a reply to: Slys13

I hope that everyone is okay
But if that picture is legit, it looks likes that was a
"solid" landing.
Can't wait to hear more on this.

That picture looks like a photoshoped image. The scale is all wrong. To me it looks like this might have been a stock photo of a parked jet with the landing gear erased. For me, that calls into question the integrity of the publisher.

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: Slys13
Seem that another f22 failed to deploy it gear again!
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It did not fail to deploy its landing gear, the landing gear was retracted too early.

Seems like they need a system to avoid the wheels retracting before it is airborne.

Seems strange they have not developed such a system. They have everything but the kitchen sink. Rumor has it that the kitchen sink is indeed on board ... but is classified.

P

When the F-15 was first deployed to Langley AFB many were flown with center line drop tanks. The guys would rotate on take-off and snatch the gear up. The simple function of reaching forward for the gear handle would relieve just enough back pressure on the stick so the aircraft would either stop climbing or would settle and sink ever so slightly...gear retraction compounded the problem as more drag was introduced.... I actually saw on a few occasions where the center tank lacked just a few molecules from striking the runway.. You could always tell the pilots were caught off guard at the sink the aircraft had developed when reaching for the gear handle as the aircraft was then snatched higher abruptly.

I do not know the max gear retraction speeds for the F-22. If the guy is hot dogging and staying low and fast for an impressive climb at the end of the runway I suppose he wants the gear up as soon as possible not to exceed max gear retract speed... Either way this was a mess up that will live with that pilot for the rest of his career.. You can make a million perfect take-offs and landings but if you hit just one bridge.....there you go....hahahahha

a reply to: Slys13

Moderator "Z" told me about this yesterday. Looks like it will survive 👍

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

It was taken with the camera lying on the ramp, which has a slight hill, which makes it look that way. That's the actual aircraft, sitting on the ramp. There have been other pictures that matched exactly to the details in that one.

a reply to: pheonix358

They do, but there's a period where you're starting to fly, but not quite airborne when you can pull the gear up and the aircraft will settle.

In this case they're not sure if he pulled the handle too early or it was a mechanical issue.

a reply to: Zaphod58

They said the damage is extensive. But it looks like it will buff out... for how much is the question.

a reply to: Bigburgh

It's a lot worse than it looks. We had an A-4 land gear up on his externals and he sanded them flat and ripped the guts out of them. It's fixable but they're probably looking at a year plus. They'll have to make repairs before they can fly it out of Fallon to the Depot, so they can do the major repairs.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Ewewwwllll... Can't fit it on a flatbed truck?

Double post.

a reply to: Bigburgh

They can but they'd have to take the wings, vertical fins, and elevators off at a minimum.

I'd hate to be the one to have to fill in the paperwork, cant imagine it will be a bit of duck tape and someone with a hammer taking out the worst of the dents.

Theres not that many of the F22's around and are they restarting the line yet so parts may be scarce or custom made at a price that makes the $500 hammer look like its from a dollar store?

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Photo is clearly fake. Plane is top-lit yet no contact or wing shadow on the tarmac. Photographer listed as “anonymous” - definitely a fake!

Its gonna be messy once they get the skin off..Heres a Sea Vixen that belly landed.Damage was quite bad structurally.

“Work by the assessors estimates that it could take between three and four years and cost £2-3M to get her flying again,” said Navywings’ Louise Evans.

Sea Vixwn repair bill

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: Slys13
Seem that another f22 failed to deploy it gear again!
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It did not fail to deploy its landing gear, the landing gear was retracted too early.

Seems like they need a system to avoid the wheels retracting before it is airborne.

Seems strange they have not developed such a system. They have everything but the kitchen sink. Rumor has it that the kitchen sink is indeed on board ... but is classified.

P

There is such a system. It relies on what is called a "squat switch" on the landing gear that prevents retraction when the lading gear strut is compressed. What is more likely here is that the aircraft lifted off, retraction was commanded and the aircraft rose out of "ground effect" at slow speed and settled back down and contacted the runway. Since high performance jets climb better at high speed, sometimes the urge is to break ground then reduce angle of attack to accelerate to best climb speed and then resume back pressure to set best rate of climb AOA. A better practice is to break ground, hold rotation AOA, wait for an established positive rate of climb, and then call for gear up.

a reply to: dddavetv

Ok, sure.

F-22 on the belly....shadows are there ya have to be authorized to see em.....where's my confounded authorization....

in a 727 best to clear on past rotate Velocity.....at least some indicated.....or ya look so inadequate when the main gear wont lift off...it's dangerous to my mind....727-200's in the other countries where they paint em up so pretty'......squat switch for electric de-ice too.....or you see your tape on the leading edges burn off and fall

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Do you do drugs?

or is that a coded message?